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Old Jul 16, 2004 | 01:48 AM
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so much work, very little notice

so I'm in my garage showing a girl my car thats into cars, she can see how much work i've put into it, only however because she's seen my cardomain site. i've put countless hours already into my camaro. and it still looks stock, even if I got a nice set of wheels and spent the 8000 needed dollars to finish it good enough for the street, it would just apear to be a nice, good conditioned camaro. its got me disapointed. so much work and little notice really. i swapped the grey interior to black, dynomated the car first, got new black carpet for the front, installed APC racing seats which i had to weld(for the first time) custom seat brackets, steering wheel, HALO gagues, white faced gauges for th heat and shifter, blue lights in the vents and door handle area, front head lights, front grill modfication, signal ligights, rear sub set up, blackouts, spoiler uprgrade.

I dunno. just looks like a car that you could just go buy out of the paper. well.... from the outside. minus wheels LOL,



anyone else get a little frustrated? I'm hoping to find somethign that will really write this thing into a realy eye peeler. such as the SS badges like buddy has with the red camaro. I evne like his little strip idea, however dont want to be to much of a copy cat, and then the glowing side emblems is cool too(in the tech section)


targa top woudl also be cool, shaving door handles and locks, antena.


also my spoiler has the third brake light, so I might fill in the lines around the light, make it flush with the rest of the spoiler and put the first coat of blue to match the rest of the car over the light as well. making it appear that there is no brake light there, unless illuminated.


any other cool ideas?

I think I'm mainly looking for ideas in the rear sub area, such as how to embroder the chevy symbol into my vynel covered, well.... cover for my sub box? someone did it on here but that was a liek 3 months ago that post was made.


and also anyone that's done engine bay modifications, please post a picture specificly of what you did, how you did it and what you used. I think thats what will really get this car looking good

here is a picture of one car i absolutley ENVY, has the same kind of taste as me.

sticks to a theme and does it well, and makes it look modern



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Old Jul 16, 2004 | 03:06 AM
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hey whats wrong with lookin stock?

yeah i love that blue camaro as well. He did put good time and money to it. i think hes on these boards to. dont rem who tho

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Old Jul 16, 2004 | 07:29 AM
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you should be very proud of yourself. Alot of stuff Im WAY too lazy to do. Do your seats recline/move forward/back. Your box looks awesome. I wish I could fiberglass like that. Overall it looks like an awesome job. You cant really do much to make a camaro to look non stock aside from hoods and stuff. I mean ya you can put SS badges and stuff but whats the point. there was no ss 3rd gen. Overall MOST camaros that stand out stand out cuz theyre nice. Yours is nice and it does stand out. At least your interior sure does.

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Old Jul 16, 2004 | 03:21 PM
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modify that biatch.
Attached Thumbnails so much work, very little notice-after-window-tint_0484-hi  
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Old Jul 16, 2004 | 05:24 PM
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Amen to that brother! Your preaching to the choir

Flashy wheels and a good paintjob is what get's people's attention.
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Old Jul 16, 2004 | 06:32 PM
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Just for the record, I love nothing more than a clean, amazingly well-maintained stock Camaro. That's what grabs my eye.

I don't mean I'm a "stock ****", because I love looking at the rides of other members who have enormous chrome wheels and fancy engine bays - I'm just noting that what truly interests me is a ThirdGen that looks as if it just rolled off the line yesterday.
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Old Jul 16, 2004 | 06:47 PM
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do you also want them to be as slow as they were off the line. I know that even the great 350 wasnt fast enough, at least for me. I know they run like a low 14 and thats just too damn slow. A low 13 is a must for me .
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Old Jul 16, 2004 | 07:18 PM
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I'm happy with my est. 14.1 second run

A clean, nearly stock looking maro is 10x better than a chopped to hell fast maro in my opinion.
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Old Jul 16, 2004 | 07:21 PM
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i agree, a low 14 sec L98 isnt that bad at all. If your car is low 14s. That means you can beat most cars on the road. you just have to becarful with those Cobras and Ls1s then
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Old Jul 16, 2004 | 07:28 PM
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i agree, a low 14 sec L98 isnt that bad at all. If your car is low 14s. That means you can beat most cars on the road. you just have to becarful with those Cobras and Ls1s then
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Old Jul 16, 2004 | 07:55 PM
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Originally posted by nolanr0413
do you also want them to be as slow as they were off the line.
Actually, yes, because I do not race.
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Old Jul 16, 2004 | 08:12 PM
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Actually, yes, because I do not race.
i get where you coming from and i respect that . I can look at a stock car and admire it , but i just want something faster. But i do get where your coming from.
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Old Jul 17, 2004 | 02:48 PM
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Originally posted by BirdsofPray
Just for the record, I love nothing more than a clean, amazingly well-maintained stock Camaro. That's what grabs my eye.

I don't mean I'm a "stock ****", because I love looking at the rides of other members who have enormous chrome wheels and fancy engine bays - I'm just noting that what truly interests me is a ThirdGen that looks as if it just rolled off the line yesterday.
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Old Jul 17, 2004 | 07:19 PM
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HALO lights?

I imagine that's the headlights in the pic?
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Old Jul 18, 2004 | 09:33 PM
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I feel ya... I have to point out anything I do to my car cause no one ever notices but if you put it next to a regular thirdgen it looks better... I actually kinda like it that way tho

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Old Jul 19, 2004 | 04:51 AM
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Well I once felt the same way...RAIF

Than I jumped in head first and redid the car the way I wanted. Granted its not what everyone likes, I have as many people hate the car as like it on the boards.
But it is a multiple show winner at the national level and its my baby...

Strangly at f-body shows my car seems to be so custom, but go to any other show, esp import type shows and its mild. Oddly, most people never notice the shaving or non pop up headlights, or the side mirror conversion...go figure!

Just remember the most important thing is to do the car the way YOU like it! It is your car and it should make YOU happy!

Here's some shots!





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Old Jul 19, 2004 | 06:20 AM
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Why do you want "attention"? You like tickets I guess?
The way I see it, why try and impress the average joe. They don't care about cars. Or they don't like f-bodies. Or they don't like American cars. Or they think you did yours wrong. etc. You can't please everyone, just do it the way you want.
I'm making mine subtle. Most people, including cops , will never notice my car driving down the road. Then there are times old geezers with street rods stop me in the parking lot. "Holy s**t, where'd you get that painted?"
Anyway, I don't think you should build a "hey everyone! Look at me!" car. Build something that shows you know what you are doing. Like that one you posted.....



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Old Jul 19, 2004 | 06:32 AM
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Re: so much work, very little notice

Originally posted by Blake



Whos car is that?? i know ive seen it before, i just cant remember.
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Old Jul 19, 2004 | 10:26 AM
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I feel ya... I have to point out anything I do to my car cause no one ever notices but if you put it next to a regular thirdgen it looks better...
Yeah, you had to do that with me too.
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Old Jul 19, 2004 | 10:27 AM
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Originally posted by BirdsofPray
Just for the record, I love nothing more than a clean, amazingly well-maintained stock Camaro. That's what grabs my eye.

I don't mean I'm a "stock ****", because I love looking at the rides of other members who have enormous chrome wheels and fancy engine bays - I'm just noting that what truly interests me is a ThirdGen that looks as if it just rolled off the line yesterday.
I'm with you there.

The only reason I redid my exhaust with an American Thunder system is because the one that was on there was falling apart.

I was up in Yonkers about 3 weeks ago when 3 kids in a Taurus pulled up 2 lanes over.

"Yo, what year is that."
"Ninety."
"Holy sh*t it looks like it just came from the showroom."

All the attention I needed.

Around here a lot of Thirdgens are beat up and show the typical GM paint quality, so a nice looking stocker does get noticed.
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Old Jul 21, 2004 | 06:45 PM
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I agree i love the look of a stock thirdgen that is spotless. I want 1 for all go and another for all show.
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Old Jul 21, 2004 | 08:00 PM
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Things that really made people started notcing my car were the tips, billet grill and wheeltire combo. Then I made I statment by louder exhaust, And as soon as they look into the car they give me props....I tweeded the whole interior with raised 3d flames and bowtie on the door panels, raised flames and Z28 logo opn the headliner. Custom made tweeded amp rack and fiberglass box with 2 12s. I also added cupholders into the console lid and tweeded that along with the console guage cluster and dash. It really makes the car feel more "Custom". I open the door and people see the door panels and tweeded sill plates and they walk over to see the rest, Even at gas stations. By next year it will be silver with black flames, high rise and BigBlock hood, That will draw more attention hopefully. I want people to take a second look!
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Old Jul 21, 2004 | 08:58 PM
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That car belongs to Sean Brice, I believe he goes by SBRICE. The car is 10X nicer in person as well.

I know how you feel though man, I have over 20k in my GTA and people barely notice other than my wheels. I know what there though
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Old Jul 21, 2004 | 09:00 PM
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Originally posted by redraif
Well I once felt the same way...RAIF

Than I jumped in head first and redid the car the way I wanted. Granted its not what everyone likes, I have as many people hate the car as like it on the boards.
But it is a multiple show winner at the national level and its my baby...

Strangly at f-body shows my car seems to be so custom, but go to any other show, esp import type shows and its mild. Oddly, most people never notice the shaving or non pop up headlights, or the side mirror conversion...go figure!

Just remember the most important thing is to do the car the way YOU like it! It is your car and it should make YOU happy!

Here's some shots!





what kinda exhaust is that? Man you love attention..
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Old Jul 21, 2004 | 09:17 PM
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Im sorry but red tint?
Would have looked 10000x better with black tint. IMO
Engine bay is badass. Creative color.
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Old Jul 21, 2004 | 10:31 PM
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I understand where ur coming from in terms of having a very stock looking car...In my quest to make my car look better, all i've ended up doing is making it look like a t/a (not that its a bad thing, but my car looks stock)! we don't have a ton of choices in terms of things to do to our cars aestheticly that change things, yet look good... we can change wheels, hoods.. grille inserts (camaros), and thats pretty much all I can think of. I've seen some aftermarket body kits and spoilers, but none that are tasteful imo...
I'm not saying that a car is better if it has aftermarket stuff like that, but tasteful aftermarket appearance components can have the ability to separate ones car from the same car owned by a non enthusiast, if ya get my drift...

i'm just saying that i know what ya mean, lol
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Old Jul 21, 2004 | 10:57 PM
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i guess im different, i love the look of our cars in stock form. Formulas, GTAs, TAs, Z28s, IROC-Zs, RSs. i think they all look great. im actually trying very hard to keep my car as stock looking as possible. for one i like it that way, two because id rather people look at it and go, eh nuthin special, when it really is. no fancy gauges, no big wheels, no stickers, just subtle mods that i did because i felt like the car should have came taht way from the factory. for instance i polished the wheels, put in eibach springs, polished the TPI, cleand up the engine bay, lightend it up as much as possible, and hte list goes on.

however i am redoing my entire car, i guess u could call it a restoration. u can check out my cardomain page and see all the mods ive done. however the car is going to look like a stock roc, IROC-Zs have a timeless look, no matter how many times i look at them im still impressed with the appearance.

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Old Jul 21, 2004 | 11:03 PM
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Originally posted by SLP IROC-Z
i guess im different, i love the look of our cars in stock form. Formulas, GTAs, TAs, Z28s, IROC-Zs, RSs. i think they all look great. im actually trying very hard to keep my car as stock looking as possible. for one i like it that way, two because id rather people look at it and go, eh nuthin special, when it really is. no fancy gauges, no big wheels, no stickers, just subtle mods that i did because i felt like the car should have came taht way from the factory. for instance i polished the wheels, put in eibach springs, polished the TPI, cleand up the engine bay, lightend it up as much as possible, and hte list goes on.

however i am redoing my entire car, i guess u could call it a restoration. u can check out my cardomain page and see all the mods ive done. however the car is going to look like a stock roc, IROC-Zs have a timeless look, no matter how many times i look at them im still impressed with the appearance.

i agree with you. I like the our 3rd gens stock. Couple good mods wont hurt (exhaust, headers ect ect) But i love the 3rd gen design and dont wanna change it at all
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Old Jul 22, 2004 | 01:37 PM
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Originally posted by SLP IROC-Z
id rather people look at it and go, eh nuthin special, when it really is. no fancy gauges, no big wheels, no stickers
Nothing special? Screw them.

The amount of work that goes into amking a stocker look clean is enough to make a car special. The problem is that most see them as fast cars and if they don't look fast or just give that impression its "nothing special".

Meanwhile almost every thirdgen out there driven by Joe Schmoe clunks every time it moves, leaves an oil or coolant puddle everywhere it goes, blows blue smoke as long as its on, and has peeling paint or rust.

I'd challenge someone who thinks its nothing special to compare mine or yours to the average

And to the guy with the '67 Malibu with a big block, 4 speed and stout gears out back I just remind them that when they got their car it probably didn't look half as good (unless they've owned it since it was bought).
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Old Jul 24, 2004 | 12:09 AM
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Originally posted by redraif
Well I once felt the same way...RAIF

Than I jumped in head first and redid the car the way I wanted. Granted its not what everyone likes, I have as many people hate the car as like it on the boards.
But it is a multiple show winner at the national level and its my baby...

Strangly at f-body shows my car seems to be so custom, but go to any other show, esp import type shows and its mild. Oddly, most people never notice the shaving or non pop up headlights, or the side mirror conversion...go figure!

Just remember the most important thing is to do the car the way YOU like it! It is your car and it should make YOU happy!
Oh whatever you havent done that much stop bragging

I think people really overlook what this hobby is really about alot its about getting a car and making it yours.. emphasis on that YOURS alot of people take that and think that the point is to have the best car possible but everyone has a different opinon on what is best... cause everyones different. I'd like to mod the **** out my car but I probably wont change any external features much aside from shaving stuff off.. while other people just want to make it pop out in a crowd...anyways.. I'll.. go away now
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Old Jul 24, 2004 | 08:43 PM
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Originally posted by grngryoutmyway
I think people really overlook what this hobby is really about alot its about getting a car and making it yours.. emphasis on that YOURS alot of people take that and think that the point is to have the best car possible but everyone has a different opinon on what is best... cause everyones different
Well said.

I'll add that not all want to make the best, but some concentrate on just making their car something that others will approve of. Too many people ask opinions about what they want to do, and when others shoot it down, they don't do it.
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Old Jul 26, 2004 | 10:42 PM
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I'm all for the clean stock look of all gen T/A's! That gets my attention more than anything.
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Old Jul 27, 2004 | 12:43 AM
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yeah red I love the look of your car, but I too think black tint would look nicer. The view from the front is KILLER, I love those no pop-up headlights.

And yeah, to me though, it's the little stuff that really counts. Like I'll spend an entire day doing a little customization that no one will ever notice unless I point it out, but I know it's there
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Old Jul 27, 2004 | 09:12 AM
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My theme for my car is to make the car how I feel it shoulda come from Chevrolet. Of course, that's obviously open to your point of view, but I think about 95% stock looking is just right. Little things here and there.

Remeber Traxion's car? It looked bone stock from the outside, short of the long tubes hanging down, and the "1 on the left" exhaust tip. The car mid 11's IIRC.

Tim's car (which another member now owns) is still my number one fave car here on TGO.


...most car shows I go to have heavily modded thirdgens, but rarely do I see a stocker. If you look at the first gens, most are pretty close to stock.
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Old Aug 19, 2004 | 10:11 AM
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hey blake do you have picures of the lights in the vents and the door handles cause i would like to see them
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Old Aug 19, 2004 | 11:02 AM
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that is an absolutly gorgous car
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Old Aug 19, 2004 | 11:26 AM
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Originally posted by Abubaca

...most car shows I go to have heavily modded thirdgens, but rarely do I see a stocker. If you look at the first gens, most are pretty close to stock.
It is always interesting to see how this hobby changes through out the country, a couple of weeks ago at a cruise in Monmouth Il (1600+ cars) out of about 25 third gens there only 3-4 were "heavily modded" most were stock or close to it but most of the first gens were "heavily modded"!

I agree the point is to do what you like to the car and enjoy it for being yours.
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Old Aug 19, 2004 | 11:45 AM
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I hardly ever see a nice thirdgen at all.
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Old Aug 19, 2004 | 06:08 PM
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Car: 1985 Camaro, 1986 Trans Am
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I was just on your Car Domain site a few days ago. My son wanted to see some Camaros (he is about to get his drivers license) so I did a search on Car Domain and yours is one of the ones we looked at. Nice car BTW!
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Old Aug 19, 2004 | 06:51 PM
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Mine?
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Old Aug 21, 2004 | 12:34 AM
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Sure itsnice to have people stare and give you attention towards your car because of your mods, but wut is really cool is that most people seem to look and give attention to my stocke and what that makes me feel good because i am an american man and i am proud to have an american car that gets attention with its factory looks then have some little import with some stickers and a exaust pipe!!!! And all that matters is that you make your car presentable to yourself because all thirdgen owners are there toughest critic.
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Old Aug 22, 2004 | 01:37 AM
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hey this picture is for camarors8992

cheers

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Old Aug 22, 2004 | 10:47 PM
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you have the same seats i do....lol...........i colored the blue "ap" in apc black tho
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Old Aug 22, 2004 | 11:25 PM
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I like what u did with the lights, did the mat keep the interior noise down alot .Did u paint ur interior plastic of get new black.
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Old Aug 23, 2004 | 10:12 AM
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i love the lights
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Old Aug 23, 2004 | 04:44 PM
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My car has absolutely NO problem getting attention. Sure, it's red, but it's pretty much stock looking. It's just enough to get people coming over in my direction. Just when they start to walk away, they'll get a glimpse of the fully restored interior, and they come right up to it. They'll look for a minute and then notice the 4th gen CD player or custom embroidered floormats....

...after a few minutes of talking, we inevitably end up under the hood, and although it's no huge HP machine, it's super clean, and tastefully accented. Again, no huge difference, just enough to make people notice the HCV relocation, or the stainless bolt kit, or the painted accessorie brackets.

I've only actually been "IN" about 7 or 8 shows, and in a competitive show with points etc. , I know I can't compete, but when i'm sitting by my car, I'm almost always talking to someone about something I did to the car.

That's how I know I've done a good job!
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Old Aug 23, 2004 | 09:50 PM
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any pictures ?
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Old Aug 24, 2004 | 12:57 AM
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From: Avatar: My 34' 1989 Scarab III w/ twin 454's (502's Started!)
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Originally posted by Abubaca
Remeber Traxion's car? It looked bone stock from the outside, short of the long tubes hanging down, and the "1 on the left" exhaust tip. The car mid 11's IIRC.

Tim's car (which another member now owns) is still my number one fave car here on TGO.
I like the cars looking stock but being fast, too. That was one of the most important reasons I liked Tim's car so much and bought it. Unless you hear the car, you would never believe the car ran an 11.6.

The reason we love third gens is because they look good stock. Others may do their own mods, but the cars just look darn good stock.

I have kept my '92 Formula as stock looking as I can, too, as I move forward with buying the parts to get it into the (I hope) low 12's. The only thing I have done to Tim's car since I bought it is put back the fog lights to make the car look even more stock and will soon add the non A/C heater box. In the fall the car will have minor body work done.

Here's a collage of his IROC and a couple of my Formula:
Attached Thumbnails so much work, very little notice-thread.jpg  
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Old Aug 24, 2004 | 02:38 AM
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Well there is nothing wrong with stock. The items that typically get them most attention are the items that are not stock, especially wheels, gfx, and custom interiors. I practically live thirdgens so I will notice alot of little details, although maybe not at first glance. I know what you mean about your spending so much time into your car and people not noticing the work you put into it. Just put your car to one like mine, I'm sure people will notice your work then.
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Old Aug 24, 2004 | 09:34 AM
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Car: 92 camaro RS
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thats the route im going...put everything stock exept white face gauges and the motor although there is little i can do with a 3.1
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