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Old Jul 6, 2006 | 08:37 PM
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Window tint - bubbles ???

Got all windows tinted today, now this is about the side windows though. Is it normal to have tiny tiny "bubbles" right after they're done ? Does this go away during the three day process of drying ? I was under the impression it should be 100 percent smooth.

I'm taking the car back tomorrow anyway, because they cut the passenger side too short (they looked from the inside only, and my door panel is loose, from the outside you can see the gap).
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Old Jul 6, 2006 | 08:49 PM
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I think it takes a few days for the bubbles to totally go away. Throw some pics up of your new tint!
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Old Jul 6, 2006 | 09:06 PM
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If I was there I would be able to tell you more. Most likely if they were bad enough to cut a window short, they were bad enough to get contamination (aka specs) between the film and the glass. Dirt, dust, debris, even skin cells cause "Specs" to be in between the film and the glass. This comes from improper cleaning methods and handling methods. Normal charcoal (smoke) window film only takes about 3 hours to dry where you can't acually see it drying anymore but really it is still drying. Metallic films however ( Mirrored film) I have seen take 3 weeks to dry out.

Basically, if it is a smoke film, and you still see specs in it after about 5-6 hours, it isn't going to magically dry out like they will probably tell you it will. And chances are, if you make them change it for specs, it will be worse the second time because of all the glue clean up that is involved with changing a window.

The best advice I have for you is to make them fix the window with daylight, and leave that tint company alone. If it bothers you to the point where you can't stand it, take it somewhere else and when you do, you badmouth the hell out of the other shop and it will make the new shop strive for excellence to impress you.
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Old Jul 7, 2006 | 01:01 AM
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Yeah, that's why I asked.

I'll see how it looks tomorrow, I'll see what they say, way I look at it, heck one window, they may as well redo both.

I think they got hasty and sloppy after spending all that time on the back window, since they did it one piece.

Proper cleaning methods well heck my window was diry before, so makes me wonder how well they cleaned it.

Thanks guys, I mean for 150 bucks, I do expect a perfect job.
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Old Jul 7, 2006 | 09:43 AM
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when i got my RS tinted i had actually a lot of little tiny bubbles in a few places. I got mine done professionaly at a very reputable shop, but i guess 14 year old windows are pretty dirty and they couldnt get all of the dirt off or something.

All i know is that the tiny bubbles that i had right after it got tinted never went away; dont think yours will either.
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Old Jul 7, 2006 | 11:27 AM
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Well one would think they should use the real scrubbing cleaner on the windows, followed by what .. alcohol .. acetone whatever they may use.

I took the car back there this morning, guy said not their fault, because they go according to the inside trim, if it's loose, they go by it, well I also showed him the bubbles, so he said to bring it back after I fix the trim myself some way and he'll take care of all of it.

He may try to get away regarding the trim but no way he can cover his *** regarding bubbles as well.

So I'm bringing the car back there Wednesday, because that's one of my two days off.


I'll try to remember to take some pictures tomorrow.
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Old Jul 7, 2006 | 11:31 AM
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ye i had the same problem when i got my windows tinted, there was these tiny bubbles you can see , if the place is known and all they would change it for free as they did for mine
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Old Jul 7, 2006 | 11:19 PM
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when i got mine done a had alot bubbles, especially on the back glass and the guy told me to give it a week or so and they'd work themselves out from being in the sun...and they did. maybe its a time issue?
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Old Jul 8, 2006 | 09:18 PM
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Window tint should have NO bubbles, and they will most certainly not dissappear. Sounds like a bad prep job, as well as a bad job with the squeegee. I work with signs and vinyl and do this kind of thing for a living, and you'd be surprised how many people out there cannot do a decent job with vinyl, or tint. Take it back and have someone else do it.
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Old Jul 9, 2006 | 12:56 AM
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Dang it, I forgot once again, to take a pic of it all *l*
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Old Jul 10, 2006 | 01:00 PM
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I like bubbles in my champagne, not my tint.


If those bubbles are full with
liquid they will disappear.
If they contain air they will not.
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Old Jul 10, 2006 | 01:26 PM
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They won't dissappear. That liquid will eventually evaporate through the tint, but what will be left in it's place? Air. When the liquid evaporates, it will leave a pocket. The only way to get rid of the pocket is to poke a hole in it with a pin and press it out. But if you have 500 of little pin holes from bubbles that used to be there, it will look just as bad. This is effective for say one or two bubbles.

So why wait for a problem to try and fix itself when it will most likely not, when you can take it back to the place that did it and say "Hey, your workmanship is bogus, I want this fixed."
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Old Jul 11, 2006 | 01:42 AM
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Driver's side window has only a very few bubbles, passenger side has a few more and it's the passenger one that has to be replaced anyway. why not both ?

Hatch window tint hmmmm I have to check it again tomorrow, in full sun light, and later on with a flash light or something ... it looked to me like they missed a few tiny tiny spots between the ceramic lines close to the third brake light, but I may have been mistaken.


Anyway, going to superglue my trim to my door panel so it stays nice and tight, and then I'll take the car to the tint place on Wednesday.


Oh btw, since I didn't post any pics yet, I had it all done 20% tint. Yeah which means I'll have to be careful, regarding the side windows if ya know what I mean
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Old Jul 11, 2006 | 07:25 PM
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DISAPPEARING ACT


Mine have always disappeared.
Atmospheric pressure is 14.7 pounds / square inch at sea level.
Liquid cannot be compressed.
However as the fluid evaporates the 14.7 PSI
is pushing on the surface of the film.
The glass side of the film’s glue is still wet.
The outside air presses on the film to push
against the glass to adhere it
onto the window more facilely
than it is for the air to penetrate
the film and replace the water to
equalize internal and external pressures
which would cause an air bubble to remain.
There are variables such as area and
volume of the bubble, brand of tint,
tenacity of adhesive, elasticity of film, etc.
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Old Jul 13, 2006 | 01:17 PM
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Got the two front windows redone. Will see how it looks once it's all dry and I can use them.

One of the tinting guys said that wasn't air bubbles, it was dust particles so he said hell yeah they'll redo it.


One problem has come up though, on the passenger side, I got these off white plastic pieces, like round clips, they hold the window glass, and it looks like they somehow have ended up too far, and that's where a problem area started from, regarding the tint.

Looks to me like a previous owner may have had a window motor replaced or something and they put it all in hmmm too high or something ?
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Old Jul 13, 2006 | 07:28 PM
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OK, got it redone yesterday, and I noticed today, they had cut it even shorter even worse than the original cut !!! So I was really pissed, took it back, argued they took their sweet *** time, I believe they may have had to remove the panel or something, not sure, anyway, the film is now cut correctly but ... of course... now I got a few tiny bubbles... and I'm fed up with it all now so ...

Would pinching the bubbles with a needle somehow void the warranty ?

If I pinch them, should I wait until it all dries, or do it right now, ASAP ?


Tried taking a pic but damn camera is messed up right now
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Old Jul 13, 2006 | 08:03 PM
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Whatever you do don't tamper with the film. Most places will not even consider fixing anything that was tampered with by the customer. They are oblivious to any advances in automotive window film installation. It doesn't matter how floppy the window is if they cut the film to go behind the seal like an experienced window tinter does anyway. I would be more than happy to tint it for you but that doesn't do you any good, considering you are on the other side of the country.
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Old Jul 13, 2006 | 11:00 PM
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Well I'm not taking it back to the place anymore, that's for sure, so I guess I'll just live with the bubbles ?


I was under the impression that window tinting always involves "folding" the weather stripping back and have the film go down a bit below the line.

Oh well
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Old Jul 13, 2006 | 11:14 PM
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Wow that sucks, hopefully the next shop that does it will do a better job.
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Old Jul 14, 2006 | 12:03 AM
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The way I look at it, I paid for the hatch, they did a neat one piece job on that one.. so


Maybe *lol* I'll just wait for some time and then go back to their shop to buy something else, like lights or something *L* and point it out *L*
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