WHat are the different model of birds and what sets them apart.....When i ran my vin numbers it said sport coupe..does that mean its a trans am??

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1988 Firebird trans am 305 tbi LO3......Hey for 600 bucks i cant ask for more but i am going to swap the engine and spank some rice

 

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2)89 Formula WS-6 305 TPI Auto For the road: minor motor, more suspension stuff. MODS

 

Listen here kid! THe difference between which firebird is which is easy to tell judging by your sex life. You arent getting laid in any 600 dollar thirdgen but lets face it, your chances are better in a T/A! In addition, you wont get anywhere with all but the dumbest females with that limited vocabulary. If the vin decoder didnt say trans am then you are out of luck son! so stop pretending and start bending.. over that is, cause you got shafted if thats what you thought you were paying for! So long Sucker!

 

what the hell are you talking about, he asked a simple question, not limiting his vocabulary. Beyond that, why do you have to be all rude and talk crap on his car. He didn't say he bought it thinking it was a T/A, he bought it and decoded it and is ASKING what it is. I think if anyone is limited here in this case it's you, and by the way you talk, I'm going to guess that your sex life is "limited" if any. Women don't like *********.

Okay, to answer your question, no it's not a T/A. Like graeb said it just means its not a covert. As far as dif models i drive a camaro, but i think there is sport coupe, formula, T/a and ws-6 depending on the years, not positive tho.

 

ahhhhh the young junior members(not that im so old here) instantly flaming someone without totally reading the entire post."Chuck Woolery" take it easy man. have a beer get a bj and chill. the kid asked a simple question. besides with an attitude like that you wont last long here anyway.



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That was pretty ****ED up from someone with a 7 posts.. perhaps you should learn what you are talking about.. I mean getting laid in a car doesn't ****ing matter. perhaps you should figure out what kinda girl is that sluty to **** you for your car.. besides this is a TECH board not a will my car get me laid board reject.


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oh powers that be......please close this thread.....and you , chuck , from hollywood, go to www.nethirdgen.org and get your flames off there.

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Alright, the models are as follows:
Firebird
Firebird Formula
Firebird Trans Am
and on later years the Firebird S/E
the differences in these models are engine displacement, suspension, etc. Not sure as to some of the major diffs but the formulas usually had a 5.7litre engine, trans ams, were more performance oriented. The Firebird S/E could be order with the same options as a trans am but could be equipped with more than what the trans am had though. And of course the firebird could be ordered with a 4, 6 or 8 cyclinder engine. If anyone else has help, let us know, we can never stop learning.

 

Geez, what's with some of these testosterone-charged newbies talkin' scrub on the boards lately? No discipline.

Besides, it's pretty tough to get it on in a 3rdgen, esp when you're over 6' tall

Oh, 83TADave, weren't the S/E's early 3rdgens?

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1984 Trans Am 305HO L69
sucks gas, hauls ***
1991 Firebird 305 LO3
for days when I need a/c

 

yes.. it is absurdly hard in a 3rdgen.. that's the only time an SUV is better.. LOL



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HEy chuck why dont you go kiss my a** because by the looking at your response you havnt gotten laid in a while and your palms are getting tired!!!I ask a simple question and thats it and speaking of limited vocabulary is pretty irrelevent and childish because i dont want to seem like a smart a** and put a million words just to ask one simple question...Its just a waste of time for me to argue with someone with two brain cells fighting for control....I never expected much for 600 bucks but i am damn sure my car looks way better than yours

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1988 Firebird trans am 305 tbi LO3......Hey for 600 bucks i cant ask for more but i am going to swap the engine and spank some rice

 

Happy17yearold, the answer to your question is quite simple despite the bulls#it from "Chuck Woolery". Forget about that a$$hole! You are WAY more mature at 17 than he will EVER be!!

Back to your question my friend... (this is for 3rd generation Firebirds only!)

1) First there's the Firebird.
(best fuel economy, low performance)

2) Then there's the Firebird Formula.
(performance package option - engine, suspension and brakes)

3) Next choice would be the Trans Am.
(Performance package and GROUND EFFECTS standard, various luxury appointment options)

4) Then the Trans Am GTA which was the Top Dog for Firebirds '87 to '92. This rare T/A offered an appearance package unlike any other 'Bird. (GTA stands for Grand Tourismo Americano)

5) Also there's the 20th Anniversary Turbo Trans Am. Very Rare! (only 2050 ever made. 1989-90)

In this order was basically your order of performance and options avalability as well, ranging from mild to ferocious. Oh, speaking of which, how could I forget the EXTREMELY RARE and INFAMOUS SLP FIREHAWK, which was a very radical high performance package for Firebirds installed by SLP (Straight Line Performance) offered by Pontiac Dealers from 1991 to the present day.

This is as basic as I think I can get... Sorry for the article. Blame it on my love for these cars. Hope I helped in some way.

nFORM91

 

Thanxs for the info..... now I have the performance suspension and the ground effects and power everything...Now which of the birds does that fit me in??Would that be the trans

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1988 Firebird trans am 305 tbi LO3......Hey for 600 bucks i cant ask for more but i am going to swap the engine and spank some rice

 

17yearold....

When it came to the 87-92 Firebirds, it was basically pretty easy to tell. Let me try to help you out.

There were 3 main Firebird models for 87-92.

1. "Firebird". This was the "base model" Firebird and it was offered with both the V6 and the TBI V8....notice I mention TBI here. You could also get the "Firebird" with a sport appearance package as well. This was basically the ground effects from a Trans Am.

2. "Firebird Formula". The Formula was a step up from the base model "Firebird" for two reasons. First, it included different wheels, hood, spoiler. You could get a Formula with three different engines: the TBI V8(like the base model Firebird), and the TPI V8 either as a 305(referred to as LB9) or a 350(referred to as L98).

3. "Trans Am" . The Trans Am shared the same spoiler as the Formula, however it had different wheels and a different hood. It too could have the two V8 TPI engines as the Formula had, but could not be ordered with the TBI V8.

My First Bird I bought was described to me as a "Trans Am". However, it had the TBI system like your car uses. Well, unfortunately for me that first car was not a Trans Am....it was the base model "Firebird". I knew this because of the following factors (which I didn't even need the VIN number for):

1. It had the TBI system.
2. It had the base model hood, not the Trans Am hood (the Trans Am hood has vents near the front, the Firebird model dosen't)
3. It had the smaller Firebird rear spoiler and not the larger Trans Am/Formula style spoiler.
4. It had the base model rims, and not the Trans Am rims.
5. It had little badges on the front fenders that said "Firebird". The Formula will have door stickers that literally say "Formula" and the Trans Am will have stickers that say "Trans Am".

So...if you car has a TBI system in it (the big round air cleaner) then you either have the base model Firebird, or you have the Formula.

Hope this helped you out some. You can find lots of good books that illustrate the differences in the spoilers, stickers, wheels, hoods etc. Plus, there are lots of pics on this site that can illustrate these differences. After awhile, these cars will all look very different to you and you will be able to tell apart the Firebird, Formula and Trans Am right away.

 

I thank you for the info but right before i am convinced i hit a bump....I have the tbi 305 and according to you it can not be a trans....But my 305 tbi has the ground effects and has the hood with the vents.... Well i think i am coming to the conclusion that someone might have added the hood since you say that the tbi didnt come with that hood....Well my search continues but i am filled with new found knowledge.....

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1988 Firebird trans am 305 tbi LO3......Hey for 600 bucks i cant ask for more but i am going to swap the engine and spank some rice

 

Hey Chuck. I'm gettin laid in my $750 firebird, NON TA. Guess that extra $150 matters tho, huh? Best yet, I'll still be paying V6 insurance even after my 383TPI finds its home in my engine bay.

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[This message has been edited by Ovrclck350 (edited April 07, 2001).]

 

yeah, i meant to say "early". Sorry i needed more sleep, thanks for the correction.

 

It sounds like you have a base 'bird.

The TA's in those years had fender scoops, the formula's had power bulge hood with NO ground effects and looked like the older TA's, but had a lot more bite than bark.

The 'glovebox' would usually say Trans-Am on it, but I think I remember seeing a few with just a bird on it (not sure if stock, so not a good indicator).

 

yes i think i got the base with the ground effects because my borthers trans has the fender scoops and his glove box does say trans am....I aint mad because its a hell of a first car

 

Happy17yearold, Apone is right with his info. It's cool to have people who know what they're talkin about helping you, unlike jacka$$es like "woolery".

BTW, he didn't stick around for for a rebuttal, I wonder WHY?!? LOL


[This message has been edited by nFORM91 (edited April 07, 2001).]

 

Thanxs nform91 and everyone else that helped me come to a solid conclusion......IT doesnt matter what model it is because i am just glad i aint driving a honda and besides me and my brother have the best looking birds in the area since we all work in painting cars.....thanxs again guys

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1988 Firebird trans am 305 tbi LO3......Hey for 600 bucks i cant ask for more but i am going to swap the engine and spank some rice

 

This brings a question to mind: on my insurance company card, they depict my '91 Firebird with the LO3 as a Firebird/Formula.

When I was signing up with them, they listed another option, depicted as Firebird Formula with the LB9, phrased same as above but without the slash between the two words.

Anyone else have this on their ins ID?

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DR Stevens
1984 Trans Am 305HO L69
sucks gas, hauls ***
1991 Firebird 305 LO3
for days when I need a/c

 

Well, i can't really tell you the difference between them all, but here is a list of just about every bird ever created. There might be a few more, however...

1979 10th Anniversary
1980 Trubo Indy Pace Car
1981 NASCAR Recaro Turbo Trans Am
1984 15th Anniversary
1989 20th Anniversary Turbo T/A /Pacecar 1994 25th Anniversary
1995 Richmond T/A Pacecar
Firebird
Firebird 326 H.O.
Firebird GT
Firebird SE
Pro-Am III Firebird
Esprit
Skybird
Redbird
Yellowbird
Formula
Formula WS6
Formula 400
Formula 455
Trans Am
Fire Am IROC Trans AM WS6
Notchback Trans Am
Special Edition Trans Am
Limited Edition Trans Am
Gold Edition (Bandit) Trans Am
Trans Am WS6
'83 L69 H.O Trans Am
Twin Turbo Trans Am
FireFox
Trans Am GT
GTA Trans Am
Harley Davidson Edition Trans Am
Macho Trans Am
DKM Macho Trans Am
MR MSE Trans Am
Lingenfelter Hurst Firebird
Comp T/A
Firehawk
Firehawk LT4

betcha didn't think there were that many...


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1991 Firebird Formula TPI 5.7 Liter V8, WS6 Suspension...
don't have it yet, but soon...

 

actually, it is very easy to get laid in a thirdgen...get in the passenger seat, lean the seat back all the way, and have your g/f, ***** or one-night stand straddle you. works very good, just get something to put under her knees.
Sorry...I just had to clear that up

 

Actually the toughest thing was staying out of sight, my windows still have the lame factory tint, and it was a busy night at the drive in.

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DR Stevens
1984 Trans Am 305HO L69
sucks gas, hauls ***
1991 Firebird 305 LO3
for days when I need a/c

 

I've been waiting to post this. This is for Trans Am models only!!!


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[This message has been edited by Nightcruzer (edited June 05, 2001).]

 

wow formula91, is that a original list you made, or did ya get it from somewhere else.

thanks for the info....

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Hey Happy, why dont you ask the person you bought the car from if they did any mods to it. Could be that you have a base model with added stuff. And TAB, it also helps if you have the tops off so she doesnt bang her head.

 

how bout this my 88 formula has the ws6 package (performance package)did most formulas come with this?? it also has the 350 tpi.. just wondering..

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1988 firebird ws6 formula350tpi ascd ram air hood GT AUTO 4th gen spoiler black paint with blue pearl centerline champ 500 16x8 all around potenza 245 50 16 on front and 27x11.5 16 mickey thompson sportsman pros on the rear(real sticky!!) msd 6al box blaster 3 coil accel 8.8 race wires hooker shorty headers hooker cat back system pro shift light A pillar gauge pod and water temp and air/fuel ratio gauges autometer oil pressure gauge b&m mega console shifter vette servo custom ram air system with a 9" K&N cone filter tb coolant bypass slp runners polished plenum and runners 170* thermostat smog pump and a/c delete plus cat delete march underdrive pullies, tpis airfoil cvr high torque starter (love it) aluminum drive shaft
best 1/4 mile run of 14.44@ 96.53
this run is before the new exhaust system new sticky tires coolant by pass smog removal new runners new thermostat and new three core radiator since i would get to the line and be well over 220* aluminum drive shaft and vette servo

 

I was wondering about that myself, I went to look at an 88 Firebird, which appeared to be a trans-am but didn't have the hood. It did, however have the rear wing like the T/A's. The guy who was selling it said, "this is a collector's edition, Hell, they don't even make this engine anymore". And I'm thinking, this guy is an absolute idiot and has no idea about this car.

Chris

 

I have a 88 formula 350 with WS6.... Coincidence?

 

BTW,
a little off the point, but there were only 1550 TTA's made in 89...

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All thirdgen Formulas have the WS6 suspension and V8's. They are a performance car without all the looks of a T/A. T/A's had to be optioned up to the WS6 suspensions. The GTA's came with everything and had to be optioned down to the 305 if you wanted a stick.

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Nightcruzer, nice illustrations man! It makes it easy to see the differences.

 

Sorry about not replying sooner but i just had my car painted and ive been doing some stuff....Well thanks for the illustratioin and answering the question about asking the person that sold it to me......He doesnt know jack about the car....he just bought it for the looks and got it at a discount.....I have the 305 tbi and have the ground effects but i wanna know how i got the hood with the vents........the search continues......

 

i swear you could get an '88 TA w/ TBI. just like you could get an '88 IROC w/ TBI. I know a red w/ a red '88 TA and it says "fuel injection" on the sides. BUT it's TBI. has the gfx, foglights, tailights, the hood, BUT some ugly 15" wheels. they are t/a wheels, but like the crosslace 16"ers but have a similar finish to the 15" aero/convex whatever the heck they are wheels.

GTA's were ONLY 305 TPI/350 TPI. it wouldn't make sense to have the TA the same way.

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1988 Camaro Sport Coupe
2.8 V6, TCI 3200 Stall TC, B&M Transkit, 80 Series Flowmaster w/ Catback, '85 Firebird SE 3.73 Rear (soon)
'83 CFI Z/28 Hood, '87 16" IROC Wheels on Kumho Ecsta Supra 712's, '92 Z/28 Bowtie Grille
IROC Gauges, IROC Taillights, IROC Foglamps w/ retrofitted 9005 hi-beam headlight bulbs

1985 Firebird SE
2.5 I4, T-5, 3.73 rear (going to the sport coupe)
Beat to a pulp.

 

Ok heres what I know thirdgens models:

-Firebird Coupe
-Firebird Formula 305 - 350
-Trans Am
-GTA (Grand Turismo Americano) <<not the Video Game Dudes>>
-Firehawk <<Special SLP option>>
-TTA <<turbo trans am badboy!!!!>>

ws6 is a performance supension package

Oh by the way JoelOl75, your all white formula is freakin beautiful man!!

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I have an 82 Firebird S/E, I was told that the S/E is higher in rank than the Trans Am. That seems pretty logical, because my S/E, has everything that a Trans Am would for that year. Were all 1982 Firebirds loaded like mine, or did the original owner order all the options extra? It has power everything, V8, T-tops, Leather, and Factory blacked-out tail lights.

 

My '90 Formula is also L98/WS6 equipped which makes it virtually a T/A sans ground effects, emblems, and wheels (although it still has 16 inch alloys). I don't understand how a genuine TA could be worth a couple grand more than my Formula, but oh well...no ground effects makes for better nose clearance when lowering the front 2" and the rear 1.5" (I'll scrape the airdam if Im not careful though)

P.S. - Seeing as "getting it on" in a thirdgen can be quite technical, I feel comfortable confirming the passenger seat trick, although it works with either on top . Also, has anyone tried it on the fold down rear seat? Just curious.

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im 6" tall and i weigh 295 and if i can do it in a 3rd gen ANYONE can.front seats all the way up give s you plenty of back seat room

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1983 CHEVROLET CAMARO with a 1986
305 C.I.D.V8 BORED .030 OVER
HIGH VOLUME OIL PUMP
FLAT-TOP PISTONS
MILD CAM
EQUAL-LENGTH HEADERS
3" CAT BACK EXHAUST W/ FLOWMASTER MUFFFLER
KEYSTONE CLASSIC WHEELS.
TH350 TRANNY
B&M RATCHET SHIFTER
STAGE THREE SHIFT KIT
(she'll spin em into third)

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The wife & I BROKE the rear seatback in my '84 doing this!! I was in the salvage yard the next day looking for another
one. However, my seats are from a 4th gen Camaro. But unless you've got the split rear seats, I wouldn't suggest it. Just to be safe.
Hmmm...I wonder if the WS-6 suspension would keep the car more stable in those kinds of moments...
Ok i'm sorry, getting off topic here



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DR Stevens
1984 Trans Am 305HO L69
sucks gas, hauls ***
1991 Firebird 305 LO3
for days when I need a/c

 

Ok ...2 things...your year could be optioned down to a TBI, so it very well could be a trans, but I doubt it since it doesnt have the markings

and the other thing...getting lucky is easy in my 86 T/A, I do it about 4 times a week (same girl) front seat layed all the way back, back seat seems impossible..never tried it, that hump in the middle is to much to work around.

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Yeah the fold down rear seat does not leave much room between the seat and the headliner. I bought my 82 firebird for 600 dollars and have had plenty of good times in the whole car. I don't know what htat guy was talking about. I know that 82-84 firebirds had these differences:
82
firebird-base 2.5 4cyl
firebird S/E-2.8 V6
Trans Am-305 V8 with carbarator(145 hp) or a crossfire injection system (165hp)
83 and 84
same as 82 but crossfire was dropped and a 190hp 305 HO was added and a 2.8 HO at 135 screaming hp
hope that this is of some help