Auto Detailing and Appearance Share tips and tricks on how to make your Third Gen shine! Get opinions on products or how something tasteful looks on your Chevrolet Camaro or Pontiac Firebird.

Should I do a Trans am clone an my vert?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Sep 13, 2010 | 04:38 PM
  #1  
92FBirdVert's Avatar
Thread Starter
Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 212
Likes: 0
From: Goodland, IN
Car: 1992 Pontiac Firebird Convertible
Engine: 5.0 TBI
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 2.73
Should I do a Trans am clone an my vert?

I have 1992 Firebird convertible with the 305 in it and I was wanting to make it a clone of a Trans am of the same year. What do you guys think?

Last edited by 92FBirdVert; Sep 13, 2010 at 04:41 PM.
Reply
Old Sep 13, 2010 | 05:44 PM
  #2  
92FBirdVert's Avatar
Thread Starter
Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 212
Likes: 0
From: Goodland, IN
Car: 1992 Pontiac Firebird Convertible
Engine: 5.0 TBI
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 2.73
Re: Should I do a Trans am clone an my vert?

anyone?
Reply
Old Sep 14, 2010 | 09:04 AM
  #3  
1ADan's Avatar
Supreme Member
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 3,079
Likes: 4
From: Pepperell, MA
Car: 1987 Trans Am
Engine: LQ9/L92
Transmission: 4L60E
Re: Should I do a Trans am clone an my vert?

its all personal preference (and I love me a TA), but some of the more purists will say leave it be; nice verts are few and far between these days. do what makes you happy with YOUR car.
Reply
Old Sep 14, 2010 | 11:43 AM
  #4  
Zepher's Avatar
Supreme Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Feb 2000
Posts: 7,964
Likes: 4
From: Norfolk, VA. USA
Car: 86 Trans Am, 88 Formula
Engine: 95LT4, 305TPI
Transmission: T56, T5
Re: Should I do a Trans am clone an my vert?

All you need are wheels, tail lights, and a hood and it will look like a trans am, so do it if you want.
Cost you maybe $1500, just save your old parts so you can put it back to stock if you sell it and use the other parts on another car or sell them.
Reply
Old Sep 14, 2010 | 01:19 PM
  #5  
iroc stangs's Avatar
Supreme Member
 
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 1,319
Likes: 0
From: Tigard, OR
Car: 87 iroc-z camaro
Engine: 305TPI
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: G92 3.23 posi
Re: Should I do a Trans am clone an my vert?

NO! period!
Reply
Old Sep 14, 2010 | 01:32 PM
  #6  
84redta's Avatar
Supreme Member
20 Year Member
iTrader: (34)
 
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 1,983
Likes: 6
From: Stamford, New York
Car: 80 SE/TTA;88 T/A GTA;86 T/A
Engine: 4.9L Turbo; LT1; empty
Transmission: TH350; T56; empty
Axle/Gears: 3:23 disk; 4:10 disk ; 3.42 disk
Re: Should I do a Trans am clone an my vert?

I'm guessing he doesn't have the appearance package, otherwise there wouldn't be much arguement or question in putting on wheels and a hood. Taillights would be a nightmare to come by, but either way, I have a feeling he's speaking on putting on the entire ground effects package also.

To that affect, I say find yourself a trans am. This is coming from a guy who went from taking his absolutely base model bird, and bringing it up to formula standards, and then tripped over a perfectly good trans am in the junk yard and soon made that kit onto his car, it was a LOT of work. I love the look, i think the outcome was well worth it, but it's not a simple slap together thing to make it look right. Also I already had the hood and the 91/92 spoiler to boot to make adding a kit a no-brainer. It's your car, and if you need help, we are all here to do just that, but don't ask such broad questions like that, or you will get the 50/50 yes it's your car; no it's not worth it kinda thing. Make the decision yourself, and then if need be ask questions from there. My vote goes into it's your car. Honestly adding the skirting isn't going to destroy the car, and if by some miracle vert value shoots through the roof, all you need to do is fill 28 holes at most, usually only 22 on 91/92 style kits, and a respray and it's all back together as a Firebird vert.
Reply
Old Sep 14, 2010 | 02:58 PM
  #7  
BigWhiteGTP's Avatar
Supreme Member
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 2,043
Likes: 3
From: San Diego
Car: 1994 Trans Am
Engine: LT1
Transmission: Auto
Axle/Gears: 3.23
Re: Should I do a Trans am clone an my vert?

I say just do the wheels and sway bars. Hood does belong to a T/A, but it's your car, if you can find a dent free one go for it. As for the tail lights, you could always spot a thirdgen firebird from up the street by those wide red horizontal lights. Not only that, it's kinda retro of the 1st gen firebird tails. Polish up the stock units and center peice and call it a day.
Reply
Old Sep 14, 2010 | 08:30 PM
  #8  
thirdbirds's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 34
Likes: 0
From: ohio
Car: 87gta 88notch 89 5spdgta 92 vert
Engine: 5.7
Transmission: 700r4
Re: Should I do a Trans am clone an my vert?

All 91 /92 base birds and the verts have the ground effect kit !!

Only the formulas do not, and if you take off the ground effects you can see the frame supports. ugly in my opinion !
Reply
Old Sep 14, 2010 | 09:37 PM
  #9  
noel8877's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 12
Likes: 0
Re: Should I do a Trans am clone an my vert?

its all personal preference (and I love me a TA), but some of the more purists will say leave it be; nice verts are few and far between these days. do what makes you happy with YOUR car.
__________________________________
Malaysia Flights
Kuala Lumpur Accommodation
Reply
Old Sep 15, 2010 | 07:04 AM
  #10  
92FBirdVert's Avatar
Thread Starter
Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 212
Likes: 0
From: Goodland, IN
Car: 1992 Pontiac Firebird Convertible
Engine: 5.0 TBI
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 2.73
Re: Should I do a Trans am clone an my vert?

Originally Posted by 84redta
I'm guessing he doesn't have the appearance package, otherwise there wouldn't be much arguement or question in putting on wheels and a hood. Taillights would be a nightmare to come by, but either way, I have a feeling he's speaking on putting on the entire ground effects package also.

To that affect, I say find yourself a trans am. This is coming from a guy who went from taking his absolutely base model bird, and bringing it up to formula standards, and then tripped over a perfectly good trans am in the junk yard and soon made that kit onto his car, it was a LOT of work. I love the look, i think the outcome was well worth it, but it's not a simple slap together thing to make it look right. Also I already had the hood and the 91/92 spoiler to boot to make adding a kit a no-brainer. It's your car, and if you need help, we are all here to do just that, but don't ask such broad questions like that, or you will get the 50/50 yes it's your car; no it's not worth it kinda thing. Make the decision yourself, and then if need be ask questions from there. My vote goes into it's your car. Honestly adding the skirting isn't going to destroy the car, and if by some miracle vert value shoots through the roof, all you need to do is fill 28 holes at most, usually only 22 on 91/92 style kits, and a respray and it's all back together as a Firebird vert.
My car came with the ground effects package already
Reply
Old Sep 15, 2010 | 08:11 AM
  #11  
corvettespeed24's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 18
Likes: 0
From: Bay Village, OH
Car: 1987 IROC-Z w/T-tops
Engine: 305 TPI
Transmission: 700r4
Re: Should I do a Trans am clone an my vert?

IMO, a Firebird vert is quite a car to be proud of. By all means, if you want to make a Trans Am clone then go for it. Personally, I would leave it be and love it for what it is rather than changing it. Just my .
Reply
Old Sep 15, 2010 | 08:34 AM
  #12  
91phoenix's Avatar
Senior Member
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 916
Likes: 9
From: Wichita Falls, TX
Car: 91 Firebird,00 c2500,75 Vette
Engine: 3.1 but 350 soon, 350, 350
Transmission: T56 soon
Axle/Gears: stock 3.42 Posi to come
Re: Should I do a Trans am clone an my vert?

I agree with every one else, it is up to you. Me personally my 91 T Top will be more like one when finished but will not say Trans Am. Nobody can say I am trying to mislead or fool anybody as it will only say Firebird and that will only be a few places.
Reply
Old Sep 15, 2010 | 12:56 PM
  #13  
NY3RDGEN's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 169
Likes: 0
From: NY
Car: Trans Am, Corvette
Engine: LB9, LT1
Transmission: 700R4, 4L60
Axle/Gears: 373, 259
Re: Should I do a Trans am clone an my vert?

Make it a Formula of the same year.
Reply
Old Sep 15, 2010 | 03:41 PM
  #14  
AmorgetRS's Avatar
Moderator
25 Year Member
Liked
Loved
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Jul 1999
Posts: 5,646
Likes: 1
From: Near Seattle, WA
Re: Should I do a Trans am clone an my vert?

Originally Posted by 92FBirdVert
My car came with the ground effects package already
As long as you don't plan on putting "Trans Am" stickers on it, go for it.

It's just the rims, hood and taillights.
Reply
Old Sep 15, 2010 | 08:19 PM
  #15  
itsMikey's Avatar
Supreme Member
 
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 2,852
Likes: 2
From: Scottsdale, AZ
Car: 89 GTA/93 S13/91 Si
Engine: 5.7 350 TPI
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 3.23
Re: Should I do a Trans am clone an my vert?

dont listen to the trolls that post one liners

Originally Posted by Zepher
All you need are wheels, tail lights, and a hood and it will look like a trans am, so do it if you want.
Cost you maybe $1500, just save your old parts so you can put it back to stock if you sell it and use the other parts on another car or sell them.
the
this^^ would be teh best route.

Originally Posted by NY3RDGEN
Make it a Formula of the same year.
maybe this^?


its all personal preference..
Reply
Old Sep 15, 2010 | 09:15 PM
  #16  
//<86TA>\\'s Avatar
Supreme Member
15 Year Member
iTrader: (15)
 
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 12,803
Likes: 103
From: Central NJ
Car: 86 Trans Am
Engine: 408 stroker sbc
Transmission: TKO600
Axle/Gears: Moser full floater m9, 3:70 trutrac
Re: Should I do a Trans am clone an my vert?

Originally Posted by thirdbirds
All 91 /92 base birds and the verts have the ground effect kit !!

Only the formulas do not, and if you take off the ground effects you can see the frame supports. ugly in my opinion !
no, base birds could have no gfx, as the gfx was an option, but it was a very popular option, so they are rare without, but they are out there.
Reply
Old Sep 15, 2010 | 09:20 PM
  #17  
JimmyDavidson's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 258
Likes: 0
From: Manchester, TN
Car: 1984 Camaro z28/SC
Engine: 355
Transmission: T56
Axle/Gears: 9bolt 3.89
Re: Should I do a Trans am clone an my vert?

I say no to clone cars. Not saying you shouldn't make your Firebird look like a Trans Am. What I'm saying is, make your Firebird look how you want, but I wouldn't call it something that it isn't.(same goes for z28s and sport coupes) Be proud of the car you own. My

Either way I'm sure it'll look good. Just depends on personal preference.
Reply
Old Sep 15, 2010 | 09:27 PM
  #18  
FYRCHKN's Avatar
Supreme Member
 
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 1,002
Likes: 12
From: Bastrop, TX
Car: 1988 SC Convertible
Engine: LT-1
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 3.23 posi w/PBR's
Re: Should I do a Trans am clone an my vert?

Originally Posted by thirdbirds
All 91 /92 base birds and the verts have the ground effect kit !!

Only the formulas do not, and if you take off the ground effects you can see the frame supports. ugly in my opinion !

WRONG!
(I'm just trying to stop the rampant spread of misinformation)


The ground effects on the base birds were part of an optional appearance package (W68). Granted, the vast majority of the 91/92 birds were ordered with them but, they were available without them. I haven't seen many of them in person but they do exist.



To the OP- Go for it! That's exactly what I did with mine. The only thing that I'm lacking is the T/A hood, and I have one on the way. But, if you're going to do it then do it right and go all out, even down to the suspension and drive train.


Reply
Old Sep 15, 2010 | 11:10 PM
  #19  
thirdbirds's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 34
Likes: 0
From: ohio
Car: 87gta 88notch 89 5spdgta 92 vert
Engine: 5.7
Transmission: 700r4
Re: Should I do a Trans am clone an my vert?

Very interesting ! would like to see a pic of 91/92 base vert without the ground effects. I wonder how they cover up shorted front fenders ?
Reply
Old Sep 15, 2010 | 11:52 PM
  #20  
noel8877's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 12
Likes: 0
Re: Should I do a Trans am clone an my vert?

I say just do the wheels and sway bars. Hood does belong to a T/A, but it's your car, if you can find a dent free one go for it. As for the tail lights, you could always spot a thirdgen firebird from up the street by those wide red horizontal lights. Not only that, it's kinda retro of the 1st gen firebird tails. Polish up the stock units and center peice and call it a day.
____________________________________
Malaysia Flights
Kuala Lumpur Accommodation
Reply
Old Sep 16, 2010 | 12:34 AM
  #21  
iansane's Avatar
Supreme Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 3,109
Likes: 25
From: Tacoma, Wa
Car: '91 TA vert
Engine: turboLSx
Transmission: T56
Axle/Gears: 3.23
Re: Should I do a Trans am clone an my vert?

Only thirdgenners are going to notice difference and half of them won't care. Do whatever you want. At a glance it looks like a TA already. If you went with nonfactory wheels then the only thing separating it visually are the taillights/hood.
Reply
Old Sep 16, 2010 | 06:37 AM
  #22  
Zepher's Avatar
Supreme Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Feb 2000
Posts: 7,964
Likes: 4
From: Norfolk, VA. USA
Car: 86 Trans Am, 88 Formula
Engine: 95LT4, 305TPI
Transmission: T56, T5
Re: Should I do a Trans am clone an my vert?

Originally Posted by thirdbirds
Very interesting ! would like to see a pic of 91/92 base vert without the ground effects. I wonder how they cover up shorted front fenders ?
They look like a Formula with a flat hood and pedestal spoiler and 15" wheels.
Reply
Old Sep 20, 2010 | 07:39 PM
  #23  
92FBirdVert's Avatar
Thread Starter
Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 212
Likes: 0
From: Goodland, IN
Car: 1992 Pontiac Firebird Convertible
Engine: 5.0 TBI
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 2.73
Re: Should I do a Trans am clone an my vert?

bumpity bump bumps!
Reply
Old Sep 22, 2010 | 04:00 PM
  #24  
84redta's Avatar
Supreme Member
20 Year Member
iTrader: (34)
 
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 1,983
Likes: 6
From: Stamford, New York
Car: 80 SE/TTA;88 T/A GTA;86 T/A
Engine: 4.9L Turbo; LT1; empty
Transmission: TH350; T56; empty
Axle/Gears: 3:23 disk; 4:10 disk ; 3.42 disk
Re: Should I do a Trans am clone an my vert?

I have a set of bumpers off of a 92 bird with no ground effects, trust me they are out there, but very hard to get your hands on them. It just sucks that I have no use for mine so they'll be going back out just as fast as I got them. I love the 91/92 formula look, and would have gone that route had I found the front bumper faster. Of course in my situation I found a cherry 1990 v6 with the appearance package (85-90 Trans AM Kit) in mint shape so I ended up going full blown Trans Am, and of course, as mentioned above, only die hard thirdgenners would notice my firebird fenders, which would hint at GTA, with the lack of GTA parts.

Its your car, enjoy it to the fullest, it's going to be another 15-20 years before anyone is talking about value and rarity.
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
okfoz
Convertibles
83
Oct 29, 2018 11:18 PM
tcarlos13
Interior Parts Wanted
5
Sep 2, 2015 07:29 PM
Gumby
Members Camaros
0
Aug 21, 2015 12:50 PM
Hello, Michael
Engine Swap
8
Aug 20, 2015 03:19 PM
Randomtask2
Body
7
Aug 13, 2015 01:57 AM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:15 PM.