beat me to it. its not little league with participation trophies

- it seems posts are being deleted out of this thread? Never mind my computer was just acting up carry on

 

not me, people who have put alot of work into their cars yet don't have all the $$$$ spent that the cotm cars do, this whole honest idea for a potm escalated quickly we aren't whining, we aren't complaining, we aren't bashing the cotm cars all the op and alot of the people who posted in this thread wanted was a showcase thread for whats in the works, not just whats been done, like previews at the movies or a coming attractions sign, apparently everyone here thinks were saying "hey we all want awards for nothing because we think we deserve them" way to take things out of context guys

 

That's a good one. You've done all three numerous times in under one thread page.

There's also a difference between taking things out of context and drawing conclusions from insinuations. You guys have cars that need tons of work, and most of your excuses for it being in that condition are "Oh, i don't have the time/money/whatever."

Nice cars deserve recognition. Just because you wish you car could look that nice or you aspire for your car to be that nice, or you plan for your car being that nice doesn't qualify you for a major award.

Recognition must be earned through hard work and what IS. Not what WILL BE.

 

It's been said that some are whining and complaining because multiple people have given good and logical explanations for why there shouldn't be a POTM on TGO yet and you keep pushing the issue. Maybe a couple years down the line after the thirdgen image isn't such a crapcan a POTM wouldn't be a bad idea. As it sits, glorifying 1/4 finished cars doesn't help anyone. Maybe it's just me but if we promote some of the best thirdgen examples then other non thirdgen people might see that we have potential and get curious about all thirdgens. However, if we celebrate the "I'm going to someday do this" mentality we're just saying 'hey we still don't actually do anything yet, but we have big plans!' like every 15 year old kid about to get his learners permit does. I'm not saying we have to castrate those with big ideas or dreams but keep them to their own build threads until something comes to fruition. I for one, love seeing pictures and concrete examples of peoples ingenuity and hard work. Who cares how much money has been spent. The guy that fiberglassed his entire early TA with what I think were sunfire headlights, high rise pedestal spoiler/notchback is just as interesting to me as watching SpikeZ's build thread unfold. (however, I haven't seen the TA guy post in awhile.) Again, I'm not knocking you, just saying keep the kudos to the build threads until some progress has been made. I read build threads all the time and like to give a digital high five in them.

 

I think making a new section solely for project cars on the message board would satisfy everyone. It's not on the front page so those who care about the precious thirdgen "image" aren't harmed, but still existent for those who actually want to have their projects recognized, or just see what people are doing with their projects. I kind of agree with not having a potm similar to cotm, because I can see where it's like the reward for your efforts or your fat wallet. But I also think that if projects were publicized a bit more they would be more likely to be completed because people would be encouraging them to do so, but it doesn't need to be as big as COTM.

 

the entire forum is just that, a place for build threads - it even has sub forums for the different project thread categories

 

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/members-camaros/

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/members-firebirds/

 

thats a good idea, sub forum like the v6 board or regional boards, and LOL at the precious thirdgen image thing, its like these guys expect them to be something spectacular someday even though no matter what you do to it you cant increase its value substantially enough for it to be worth something like some classic muscle cars or priceless exotics. not to be a cynic but i don't ever see it happening. they'll always be looked down on, and if your building your car to try and make other people like it, well i find that pathetic and pointless

 

Check out the member's rides forum. There's tons of build threads. Thats what they're for - to show off your car.

 

All this time and I didn't know those existed.

Edit: Okay, so maybe something not so hidden would be more what I was talking about. This place is like a maze anyways.

 

That is a good idea. All i had intended was to get the average TGO user some fun. Sorry not everyone has stuffed 30k in their cars. I believe those people out there who have years in their car, with little drive time should get some recognition too. I did not mean for this thread to spawn a debate but to wrangle ideas for us all.

Please if you have nothing constructive to say, then don't say it all because none of us need to get email notifications 3 times a day for "Finish your car and do COTM"

 

right, we didn't all post and say "dammit **** those rich guys give us awards derrrrrh" but i guess all the posts where skimmed and not really read

 

are you serious? if you cant figure that out you have business being on the internet.

 

no need to insult him, thats just low

 

Are you mentally capable of saying something not degrading? Every single thread you post in you're always a d!ck, it's pretty annoying. And you're from Texas too? What happened to southern hospitality?

 

Sorry when I post the truth it annoys you. I say plenty of positive things when its warranted, I'm not going to encourage bad ideas, techniques, and information - the forum's purpose is to share good info.

And thanks for calling me a dick, very not degrading at all (you would never say something degrading since its so offensive to you )

 

i'd bet there is plenty of good info in some project cars build threads, if only we had a way to showcase, oh wait a minute, thats what we've been talking about doing

 

how do you not understand that is what the different TGO sections are?

Power adder - 9 power adder "project build threads" on the first page

LTX/LSX - 6 lsx or ltx swap "project build threads" on the first page

engine swap - 11 engine swap "project build threads" on the first page, including all types of swaps

it is like that in nearly every section. TGO is an index of projects, and information/questions, you are trying to add a participation trophy to what already exists

 

what is all this participation trophy talk, no sport i ever played was such an award given, ever, did all you guys just join crappy little league teams or something? and satelitetexas are you not reading everyone's posts? i outlined a clear format for the rules and how it would work (exactly like cotm) in post 29, then you made a smart assed comment about rustoleum paintjobs 0.o and kept bitching about how you want everyone to spend alot of money on their cars and that nothing can ever be done nicely and cheaply, your letting your point of view of seeing apparently all project cars as trash cloud your vision on this, its a good idea, it'll probably happen, your the strongest voice against it and have yet to provide a really good reason why we shouldn't do it, who are you to stop it anyway? your not a mod and if enough people are for it you alone can't stop it get over whatever vendetta you have with projects, what does your car look like anyway? I've never seen it

 

as far as participation trophy reference, you are clearly out of touch with any current youth sports program.

I have read all of the posts. I never said I want everyone to spend a ton of money on their car and that is nothing nice can be done for cheap, and I most certainly do not see all project cars as "trash". The reasons for not having a POTM have been clearly outlined by a few people (IH-33, iansane, infernal vortex) in this thread, and I agree with them. I assure my my vision is not clouded and I have much respect and like for project cars. Recognition of unfinished projects beyond comments in build threads is absurd - unless they are exceptional (like spikes build). I am not the strongest voice against it I am just the currently active voice against it in this thread.

HAHAHAHA yes I have a personal vendetta against projects! you have got to be kidding me! I guess that makes sense that you have not seen my car... (hint: look in the power adder section, its a budget project car! built 100% by me in my garage)

 

a twin turbo hsr zz4 crate motor isn't very budget, i also notice you have the car sitting idle in a shop right now, probably your shop (you either own it or work their) and don't seem to be saving money anywhere, and actually i had seen it before, imo you have some ugly wheels gold and maroon never did look good to me, one thing i dont get, why did you paint your ttops?

 

woops one turbo, my mistake

 

let me help you out:

1. its a single turbo, not a twin turbo

2. it is budget, not super cheap but not outrageous, my only costs have been parts, I bust my butt doing 100% of the work to save $$$. I pay for it by working full time between semesters . If that isn't budget I dont know what is.

3. you know what you get for ASSuming? its in a garage, not a shop. the only unique thing in there is the lift, other than that it has nothing a typical gear head's garage does not have.

4. haters gonna hate - your losing credibility fast talking like that kid

5. you talking trash on a project car? oh yeah you are. SO we need a POTM? LOL check mate.

 

i'm not trash talking it, its a nice car, but i'm sorry its in no way a budget built car, i'd like to see totals when your done, if thats your garage your alot better off then i thought, the lift and the big *** boat really backup that your on a serious budget LOL

 

"Budget build" doesn't mean non existent budget. I work at an auto parts store full time, just transfered from community college to University of Washington full time and have built my entire car by myself. I take it, it's not a budget build because it's a turbo lsx?

 

yeah, you were - don't try and backpedal now to try and save your POTM argument. "ugly wheels gold and maroon never did look good"

I'm not going to plaster #'s all over the web, but all said and done, including buying the car, its gonna be around 2 days worth of pay a month over the 5 years I've been building it, and i've never made over 14/hr. Not a serious budget by any means.

Not my boat - I wish, I am the maintenance guy for it though

 

really depends, how long did it take, how much of your income went to the car,do you live at home with mom and dad? pay rent? pay your taxes? what are some parts totals? do you have some high dollar rims/paintjob on it? is it a "COTM quality"
car "deserving" of attention? your in school so i can safely assume you know what variables are. i'll add another one, did daddy buy you some parts for your car? cuz it looks to me like texas didn't do everything alone, wonder whose garage, and tools he using, no way he can afford it all being a college student, i can barely afford gas to school most of the time, and i have the same job you do ian

 

don't act butthurt cuz i disagree with your color combo choice, in no way did i insult your car, I don't like the wheels, because I don't like the color choices, how is that dissing your car?

 

This thread needs to be closed already. It's turned into a joke. Want recognition for your project? Start a build thread! I have one along with a lot of others. I hope that once my car is done it will be COTM worthy but until its done its just a project and nothing more. I don't feel projects need special recognition because 95% of them never get finished. Regardless of how big your budget is its still a budget. Big or small it dosnt matter. I may spend a lot on my car but I don't buy car parts before food or clothes. The thirdgen image is damaged because of people painting these cars with rollers, rattle cans and bast@rdizing them in general. How do you judge what makes one project better then another? Money spent, hours invested? You can't, plain and simple. No matter what the other guy will always complain(which a lot of you are already doing)

 

unbelievable.... you clearly have no idea what your talking about with post #77.

Again, you are an *** for ASSuming.

No way I can afford it? I work 10-12hrs, 5-7 days a week between every semester in an industrial plant. I'm in 17hrs of senior Mechanical Engineering classes and I still make time for the car. I make sacrifices to get the car done, food, fun, sleep, blood, sweat, watching football, it all gets set back to work on the car. Fixing free "broken" tools (all my power tools except welder), buying used tools, and rent-a-tool programs keep tool costs very low.

I'm done justifying myself to you, making accusations based on pictures you see in my build thread is asinine.



oh im not "butt hurt" bud, I built the car for me, I share it on here because I like to see other builds, so I contribute when I can.

EDIT: @ 1986Z28OWNER - well said

 

I am curious as to who would manage a POTM if such a contest was enabled? That sounds like a ton of work to me and—unless I am mistaken—TGO moderators work for free. I think it is cool to select a COTM winner for the website, but I am sure it involves hours of work.

I've maintained a builder's thread pretty much since the day I joined TGO, and I get enough recognition from those who take the time to comment and read my ramblings about my project. I did not start a thread for that purpose though, any more than wanting to have a finished car (hopefully soon), to get nominated for anything. Sure, I get a lot of personal satisfaction when someone tells me the car looks nice at a cruise-in or online, but nothing compared to the thrill of going out for a spin and making it back home in one piece

I truly believe that anyone who's taking the time to rebuild or restore a Third Gen F-body is a winner.

Just my 2 cents.

 

So are you insinuating that unless a project car is built below some preconceived dollar value in your head, that it's not POTM material? Or at least that it doesnt fit the spirit of your POTM philosophy?

Why do you have such a hard time connecting this logic to participation trophies? Everyone else has no issue with understanding the logical consequences of your propositions.

If anything, a POTM thread would just reward MEGA high dollar project cars, because the only project cars people care about are ones that are actually noteworthy. It's easier to make a completed budget car get recognition than it is to make a budget project car get recognition, because people are basically not even evaluating the style of the car, they're not evaluating any kind of finished product, they're just evaluating how big your dreams are, how expensive/nice your upgrade parts are, and how much custom fabrication is in it. For a project car to be exceptional enough to get serious attention, it will almost always be a very big budget car moving very quickly through its build process.

I will disregard the participation trophy complaints along the lines of "I cant afford to build a car like that and I want to even the playing field", and address it further on the notion of how do you evaluate and vote on a car that's going to change its build state every week? You can nominate a car, and by the time it has won, it's already done. No one will nominate a rusted shell of a project car.

The only cars that will get attention are the ones that are close enough to being done that people are like "Hey wow look at all the things they've done to THAT car! Look at all those nice parts!". I know I dont give two hoots about project cars to the point that I would care about promoting them outside of their build threads unless they're REALLY incredible builds. Think SpikeZ's car and Neil's car. Those cars are just going to be inevitable COTM's within a few months anyway - so what's the point? And then Neal's car ended up getting chopped up and scrapped and he never even got it finished. Just goes to show you why so many of us who have been there are skeptical of project cars. Not to take anything away from Neil, but his car never got done, he ran into problems and lost his motivation to start over. It can happen to anyone, the fact that it happened to Neil, who had NO problem paying for exceptional work and parts, just goes to show you it's not about money. Last I heard he's building a 2nd gen instead.

You're also still glorifying half-built cars. Fact is, COTM is supposed to be for highlighting the most exceptional third gens on the site. There's no need to give out consolation prizes to people who can't compete with them.

People who arent willing to make the sacrifices to get the finished product are never going to get there. They can whine all they want about how expensive it is, how they cant compete, and then they just label everyone who has nice cars as rich people who farmed out all the work. But that's a lot of silly assumptions piled on silly assumptions. That's such a huge insult to everyone here. Every one here who has built a nice car has put in the work somewhere. To assume you know all about other people's situations is asinine.

mw66nova, for instance, has been building his sport coupe for probably 10 years now. I saw him over the years struggle with trying to build a nice racecar on a shoestring budget. He went on to have a 12 second 305 car. You dont think he would have rather done it with a 383? Anyway, over years of hard work, doing work for other people, and dedication, he's now got an absolutely killer car. You dont know people's situations, and by just assuming it's easier for other people is an insult to the people that did that work. This work is not easier for ANYONE. IT IS HARD. IT TAKES TIME. If you're not willing to put in the time to finish building a nice car, or to learn to build a nice car, then why should you get recognition in a POTM thread?

Regardless, the mods have already laid out in the past that they want to specifically discourage the image of thirdgens as unfinished project cars, and the COTM fits that goal. What all this complaining about how unfair it is that people dont notice your car is going to do is convince people in charge that the thirdgen demographic and the TGO userbase just isnt mature enough to handle a COTM. I've been on a LOT of car boards, and I've NEVER seen this kind of petty jealousy and "why not me! It's not fair" attitude. Never. And these are sites that make the car of the month a BIG deal. All you get here is a link to your thread on the main page. I have NEVER on ANY board seen people complaining about how they cant compete with the big boy cars and Im honestly kind of disappointed that my people are the ones that have done it.

 

Ok this has gotten ugly and not a discussion anymore.

kmcn47 my recommendation to you is come up with plan of how this will be beneficial to the site and the community, then present the plan to JT through PM or email. You may re-read some of the multiple reasons others have stated "this won't work" and be prepared to address them.