what does history of the car have to do with anything?? They both came out it 67 and they both die out in 02, Its not like the camaro has been around longer, The Firebirds of 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th look better that the camaros did, although i wouldnt mind having any 1st 2nd or 3rd gen camaro, but Id rather have the bird.

I honestly do not like the 4th gen camaros!!! their so ugly. The birds arent the best body style either but it looks better than the camaro.

Peformance wise there not that different, 1st and 2nd gens. The 3rd gens the engine is the SAME!! the engine in the pontiac is a chevy engine. But you also have to remember the aerodynamics of the bird is alot better!

 

Actually that Camaro did come out 1st in 66, but as a 67 model, then the Firebird came out later in 67, kinda like a 67 1/2. I think Camaros always looked better overall. Obviously there are a few exceptions saying that for either though. Performancewise there are differences, even in the Third Gen, which really aren't good for a dicussuion though.

 

ha when i posted this i was replying to one of the last posts on the first page, i didnt even realize there was a second lol...

 

personality so u mean as in the 4 square lights and the tailights or the identical engines they have in both of them?
history- are u meaning the extra year that the camaro was around make a difference?
looks- once again the 4 square lights and the tailight?
and originality wow now ur talking out ur a** for over 30 years they have been 95 parcent the same on the outside and 100% the same mechanically. bye the way pontiac doesnt owe sh*t to chevrolet!
jesse

 

Here we go.

personality-so u mean as in the 4 square lights and the tailights or the identical engines they have in both of them?

The ext. and int. combination of the Camaro says no BS musclecar. Aggressive. The Firebird's kind of says, we'd rather be like a sportscar and look "smooth". But flip up headlights and wrap around spoilers are musclecar, right?!

history- are u meaning the extra year that the camaro was around make a difference?

I mean history as in how Chevrolet did ALL the design work on the F-Body and has carried them for all these years. It was the 1st direct competitor to the M*****g and started the whole thing.

looks- once again the 4 square lights and the tailight?

The Camaro, IMO, and in the opinion of most, is a better looking car overall with a cooler personality, and has pretty much always been, but like I said, there are a few exceptions for both. I like the Camaros headlights ALOT more, and the taillights, especially the IROC-Z's.

originality- for over 30 years they have been 95 parcent the same on the outside and 100% the same mechanically. bye the way pontiac doesnt owe sh*t to chevrolet!

Wrong. They were different mechanically for 15 years. Third Gen-now they are similar with only slight differences/advantages. They have a cooler history IMO. ZL1's, Yenko's, COPO's, and all their other stuff like limited editions and things. The ext. as we all know are nearly the same, but there are things that make differences. Pontiac owes everything having to do with the F-Body and its success to Chevrolet. Not only did they make it, since 82 they've been Pontiacs with SBC's. Chevy powered Pontiacs. The Camaro's success has kept both of them in the game together. Why do you think if there is a 5th Gen Camaro, there is a good possibility there will be no Firebird?! They are bringing the GTO back. It looks like Chevrolet might get the F-Body back to itself for the 1st time since 66.

 

Hey IROCZ, Your starting to **** me off. Stop shoving your opinion in everyones throat. So you like camaros.....do you have one? Thought I saw in another post that you didn't.

BTW- Most of the people in this post said they liked birds just as much or even better than camaros.

 

Its just the facts of the F-Body not opinion. Do some research if you don't think so. The Firebird is still a great car, no doubt. You have to give credit to Pontiac for the GTO which kinda sparked the M*****g, which sparked Chevy, which brought in Pontiac, and made a great thing for every1. I'm not being indifferent, thats just the way it is. I know most don't know or either don't care but whatever. I'll tell you though, Pontiac never wanted to make an F-Body. They wanted to make a competitor for the Corvette. They never liked that they had to make a car that Chevy made and just change a few things.

And of course I have a Camaro, and I'm looking for another!!

 

that one dude must not get out much...there are maybe 400 people in my town...and I know of 3 GTAs......look at the ratio difference there...

and as for the aerodynamics of the firebird....and the "best car GM ever tested" poster......must not have tested the vette....

its all personal preference.....there will be peace in the middle east before we all go deciding one car is better then the other...

in MY opinion the camaro is a better choice (for a guy hehe)
but like i said its up to YOU

this is like on of those "what color do I paint my car" posts...

later guys
chris

 

As far as this topic goes, I love 'em both! Off topic slightly, No4NJunk your bird is beautiful! I love the color, is it stock or a repaint? I don't know if i've ever seen a silver 3rd gen bird before... the 2nd gens in silver are amazing. And now for a chubby white dancing guy (just because they rule!)
:lala:

 

JeremyNYR,
Thanks for the compliment. No its not the stock color. I had it repainted pepper grey metallic (color of eleanor in gone in 60 seconds). Check further up this post for what my car used to look like.

:hail: :lala:

 

What is the difference between that color and Flyin89's??

 

hate to burst your bubble there sparky but the firebird prototype came out in 64:lala: :lala:

 

Both of these cars rule, and as far as thirdgens are concerned (since this is a thirdgen site), they are virtually identical mechanically. However, like I said before, and I think some ppl agree, Firebird's smoother sleeker lines make it look like a more mature sports car while the Camaro is more brash like a hard core musclecar. There are many exceptions to this statement; just search the reader's rides. It all depends on how YOU build it. Can't we all get along? ~Chris

 

"the firebird prototype came out in 64"

Chevrolet started making a concept before Pontiac even decided on making something. Matter of fact, they started right away 4 months after the M*****g came out in 64. A while later Pontiac started on theirs. They both got presented to GM at the same time even though Chevy's was done a while before, I'm not sure what year. GM approved Chevys concept and turned down Pontiacs 2 seater, which wasn't a direct competitor to the M*****g like the Chevy concept was. Pontiac had pretty much no interest in Chevys design and wanted something different but thats the way it went and its what made sense. The Camaro was ready by 66 since the car was already done. The Firebird wasn't finished until sometime in 67 since they had to try and make it as different as they could from the Camaro.

 

People arguing over what f-body is better geeze, I personally prefer the TA. As far as aggressive looks the TA has been tops in the 2nd Gens and 4th Gens. The Bandit TA was ALOT more agressive than the Maro of the same year and Pontiac put in bigger motors when they had the choice to do so.

As far as the 3rd Gen Camaro vs Firebird looks go, if your comparing IROCS/Z-28's to GTA/TA's Id say the Camaro is a little more muscular lookin, What the TA's lack in the front end styling muscular quota they make it up in the rear end looks and vise versa with the camaro. I felt that tail light treatment on the 3rd Gen camaros was and still is ugly, But the TA since what 86? has had a nice a$$ ( pun intended) .

As far as production numbers go, alot of the time the masses arent always the ones who pick the best design or the rival stang would be considered better , compare the 1974 stang II quite simply the worst stang performance wise produced , well they out sold the Maros and the birds that year without a V8, that doesnt make it the better ride. Bang for the Buck influences the publics opinion alot when it comes to what ponycar they want.

 

i definitely prefer birds over maros. Did they have a camaro in "Knight Rider" nah i didnt think so. I drive a lot and own a 92 firebird and to this day havent seen one around. All i see is camaros or maybe some old beat up birds. But 91-92 style birds are hard to come by. Where are my 91-92 bird owners at?!?!?!? YEAHHHHH REPRESENTIN THIRD GEN BIRDS!!!:hail: :hail: :hail:

 

91-92 are rare and hard to come by and have only seen very very few of them on the road

 

Here's the deal.You can't get an objective opinion on this topic here because the numbers are really split-1/2 of us have firebirds and 1/2 of us have camaros.Most people are going to suggest whatever kind of car that they have.My opinion is that you find someone that you know that has a 'maro and a TA or go to a dealer and check the 2 types of cars out throughly.Compare -performance,style,cost,etc. If you can- take them for a ride.If you get into one of the cars and say to yourself D.A.M.N. I gotta have this car then you know which one to get.There are a lot of similarities between the 2 types of cars but one will jump out at you more.Problem solved
-nikki-
J M O

 

I read a couple comments on this page about firebirds look like a girls car--well i am a girl and i drive a Trans Am that is not the typical of a girls car.It is a 6 speed trans,it has a 350 with NOS,MSD,Flowmaster,92 firehawk air induction set-up,I can keep going' if you like.There are alot of guys that don't want to race me.I find the sterotypical comments about female drivers funny.FYI I also had a camaro,so i guess that they can both be called girls cars
-NIKKI-

 

There's quite a few of them on the site! Just take a look at the Reader's Rides section!

 

that is true I have a 92 TA and my buddy has a 91 GTA --other then that there aren't that many around my place either.
-nikki-

 

Personally I think the 3rd gen birds interior sucked ***, 3rd Gen Camaro seemed to be flow better asthetically. However, 4th Gen and Up Birds have had the advantage over Camaro's overall. I mean really, think about it ( just in looks) , has anyone ever seen a firebird/hawk with a body kit other than the one it came with ? ( I know they exist, but its not seen often on 4th gens) No, you don't, and its because the Firebird was made with little else to be desired. You want a ride that could make any ***** ( or ford) bow down in appearance and performance? Get a bird. Camaro's (4th gen especially) in my opinion are particularily bland ( asthetically), third gen's looked better and I think today more third gens turn heads than 4th gens would. This is a half baked opinion, I don't want to go into performance details for fear of having a breakdown. I love my camaro, I love the bird, I love F-body's...guess thats all i've got to say about that ( for the moment)

 

Mustangs ( Pusstang) are chic cars, the pony car died with the intro of the 4.6, and became everday. Friends 80 year old grandma drives a 4.6L stang, and claims " back in the day, this was a muscle car, my husband and I had a Boss... " ( then she begins ranting about the good ole days... ) At any rate...

Here's my formula on the firebird " chic car"

Stang = chic car
Firebird = Driving excitement
Firebird + Chic = Quality Woman to take home to mom
Firebird + Chic + Standard = InstaChubby !!!
Firehawk + Chic = Proof that their is a ***.. and he is good

 

I need an IROC Chic...
One that can drive a stick....

hehe. :hail:

 

i will agree with you there that girls are the only reason why mustangs are so popular.girl(16 to 25 mostly)+6banger=the only reason ford hasn't lost production for the mustangs

 

i like the 91-92 Camaros but i like the Firbird styling alot better.here's my baby

 

First Gen: Trans AM love those arrowhead marker lights.

Second Gen: Trans Am.. 455 SD, need I say more?

Third Gen: IROC-Z...the only 3rd Gen I ever liked.

Fourth Gen: Don't like either of em

~M~

 

And that is reason enough not to get a bird.

~M~

 

The '79 T/A had the best taillight treatment ever (IMHO)
Need to figure a way to graft them to your 3rd gens.


~M~

 

91 firebird here and I like both the Camaro and Firebird.

Breakdown
Camaro - better front
Firebird - better rear
Firebird - better interior
Engine - both the same
Cost for parts - both the same

That gives the firebird a slight advantage in my opinion.
:lala: :lala: :lala:

Oh, and to you Camaro guys that bash the bird.. you probably have GTA rims on your car don't you? lol. good job. Don't see many chevy parts on firebirds.

 

Definitely the 'birds. Don't get me wrong, I'd love a Camaro, but the 'birds are definitely prettier and when you're in your early 20s and single, isn't that all that's really important?

 

"camaro means firebird (rough translation) or bird in spanish."
i dont know where i read this but i know camaro is a word derived from french meaning companion or fellow traveler. on topic, best camaro: 91-92 Z28, best firebird: 87-90 GTA

"Oh, and to you Camaro guys that bash the bird.. you probably have GTA rims on your car don't you? lol. good job. Don't see many chevy parts on firebirds" speaking of that, i saw a teal mustang with black GTA rims:nono: at some car dealer near me

 

It's all about what you like and how much money you have to spend. A used 3rd Gen Camaro Z28 or IROC will usually be cheaper than a used TA or GTA that is in the same condition. I have always owned Camaros but would eventually like to make a GTA part of my collection. I really like FlyinLow's GTA that is Chrysler Metallic Silver. :hail: Both cars share almost the same aerodynamic qualities. Both where avail with T-tops. Gauge clusters are different. I personally like the seats in the GTA ALOT but I like the gauge cluster in my '88 IROC the most. Engines... 305 and 350 TPI's where avail on both as well as some of the same rear ends. If you have a good chunk of change to spend and want something rare and fast, look into the B4C and 1LE Camaros or you can track down a '89 Pace Car Turbo TA. Both cars offer different wheels but they are interchangable between. I see the black spoke GTA wheels on alot of Camaro's, seen a few IROC wheels on Firebirds. The best advice I can give, look around, do alot of reasearch on the options you want and like, once you have decided what you want, keep looking till you find that car. DO NOT SETTLE! If you settle you will get a car that does not make you happy and you will lose interest in it. There is a guy on here who has a super clean black 88-90 IROC and he has a really good story on waiting and then finding his dream car and he now owns it.

Good Luck

 

I personally also prefer the Camaro's looks over the birds. Although just as fast as each other, I beleive the Camaro's tranny will last longer under racing conditions ( if thats what your going for ). And if your going all out ex. ( Blower, Nos, etc. ) most people dont think of Firebirds w/ that stuff ( at least not a blower )

 

How could Pontiac be there twice?? It should be like this:

You have to give credit to Pontiac for the GTO which kinda sparked the M*****g, which sparked Chevy and thats it!!!!!!!!

Pontiac STARTED EVERYTHING WITH THE GTO AND FORD AND CHEVY FOLLOWED!!!!!! GTO WAS THE FIRST FACTORY MUSCLECAR EVER SO PONTIAC STARTED IT ALL AND EVERONE ELSE FOLLOWED. Pontiac did have to make the Firebird because the GTO stopped production and they just used the same platform of the 3rd Gen F-body. And it Pontiac that has the Fastest 3rd gen's------> TTA and Firehawk.

 

HUH? Now that's news to me. Might as well junk out my car then. Oh yeah, if it were posted on thirdgen.org, it must be true.


The informed and uninformed.

 

dude they both got the same drive train

 

Let me rephrase, "You have to give credit to Pontiac for the GTO which kinda sparked the M*****g, which sparked Chevy, which brought in Pontiac to share Chevrolet's F-Body." (and later to share Chevy's drivetrains also) Pontiac might have had faster Special Editions, but when it comes to regular production, the Camaro is faster, they are lighter and have better intakes, and are capable of slightly higher G cornering. There is barely an aerodynamic difference between the 2, but the Firebird is about 2 Cd lower. And if they had made the Special Edition Camaro that was planned for 92, the Camaro would be taking the fastest Special Edition thing also. It was probably a better idea for the Firebird to get more Special Editions like that since the Camaro sells so much anyway without them.

 

I suppose the Firehawk doesn't fit in your vocabulary. Of course you are pro-Camaro. Nothing like throwing a fish out of its tank too.

 

Did you read my post correctly?? Do I like the Camaro more, yeah, but I am just stating fact about each car since I know alot about them, especially after doing research for the Tech Data. Notice the F-Body logo with symbols for both cars in my posts.

 

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I did notice. You just seem to throw the Camaro this and that in everyone's face.
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Not that I appreciate what your facts are, but how you come across with them.

 

I don't think I came across like that. It does get frustrating after a while of others disputing fact and saying nonsense though.

And I still can't figure out what this has to do with Appearance and Detailing.

 

hmmm
t/a's are much sleeker, sexier...better styling
camaros are boxier..ruggid and unrefined. think lawn ornaments and ******s...and you get the average camaro driver..haha

appearance wise, would i rather have a 6-71 blower sticking out of a t/a of camaro?....camaro all the way. diffenantly scarier

i'd rather have my t/a though.

 

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Yup, don't pay attention to the BS spewed a few posts up. Obviously comments of moronic proportions and idiotic and incorrect opinions. Even if a Camaro dude said that stuff about Firebirds I wouldn't like it.

Camaro.

Time to lock this post.

Hello?!

 

Firebird.

Hello.

 

 

I doubt that. The 91-92 Formula 350's are probably the lightest. The Formula's have no ground effects and some come with almost no options. They are almost equal to a 1LE in weight (not suspention), so they are probably faster than a Z28 350.

 

I bet the answer will be Fbody..since it was in the question..lol

 

Find 1. There have been 92 Z28's running 14.10's stock, the intake and the way the engine gets air is more important a few lbs. Those cars are heavier than you think even without the GFX.