I went racing two nights back. And at high speeds the car is alot more stable. Only problem is that my rear springs are to weak to handle the down force (eibach prokit) at speeds over 140mph. If I go over a small bump in the road the tire will scratch the wheel well! Hearing your tire scratch the wheel well at 140+mph is not a nice thing.

 

well than obviously that's your car telling you not to drive 140 mph

 

i personaly don't like the appearance of it, but if it helps performance, i quess its ok

also, i REALLY admire your oppurtunity to be able drift all the time. I wish there was a place close i could do it legaly i would probable need a better car to do it in too but i like my 60* and wouldn't trade it for the world, i'll get an eight one day...

 

what wing? pics?

 

In the body shop yet?

 

Heres a pic of his wing I have saved.

 

Well once i get the 110 mph limiter on my car removed and find place to test it out, I hope to find out if my wing does anything for me...

Not nearly as big as your wing, but kinda big...

 

Well once i get the 110 mph limiter on my car removed and find place to test it out, I hope to find out if my wing does anything for me...

Mine can also be adjusted over a range of about 45*..

Not nearly as big as your wing, but kinda big...

 

You know, I'm sure people give you crap about that wing for style on a domestic car, but since its actually functional it gets my approval. At least its downforce on a rear drive car!

 

Atcually the car has been out of the body shop for awhile already. Recently I fixed my funny hanging exhaust, fixed my lip, re did my hood, stripped the interior and painted it, etc. Theres a Camaro cruise coming up on the 7th of july and I need my car to be ready for it. Imma borrow my friends digital camera later. So I can take pics.

 

Mabey its creating too much down force if the springs are basically stuck down at high speeds.. You might want to play with the angle of it because it looks like it might be angled a bit too far down (if you can adjust it). As for the looks I don't really like the rear ended by a handglider look. But hey its your car not mine so whatever you want to do with it

 

I say put a stock wing on and see if the car still scrapes at those speeds over small bumps...I remember reading an article as to the particulars of wing/downforce issues, and I wonder how a stock wing would affect things...

 

You don't need a wing like that to go fast, I have a magazine somewhere that shows this guys 220 MPH late 80's Camaro and he just had a front air dam, small rear spoiler and some undercar streamlining, but no big rice wing.

 

i like buy em!! :P

 

Yep, I forget the name of the guy, but that camaro was very nice. I am actually thinking about trying to fab up one of those front spoilers out of aluminum, and also the fins under the car to help smooth the air. Of couse it'll all be useless untill I finish my engine, then it may come in handy

 

Well yeah, you may not need it to "go fast" but if it keeps the car more stable at high speeds, thats good enough reason to have it. Speed/power without control is nothing but dangerous. Iroc-zz4 brings up a good point, maybe adjusting to a shallower angle will still provide adequate stability without overloading the rear. But I figure you might've already thought of this, so don't think I'm callin you stupid for having not tried it.

 

Damn, that wing is ugly! But if it -really- works, then, great. How do you know it works? Most of the time, big spoilers like that just create extra drag on the car, and slow it down.

I would say to add a chin spoiler. This is a little piece of plastic, any plastic, really, which goes on the extreme front of your bumper, on the bottom, almost like a beard or moustache. It doesn't get placed far back underneath the car- like the air dam. It goes as far forward as one could put a piece of plastic on the bottom of the bumper.

The chin spoiler doesn't have to be tall, an inch would do it. Oh, and no fancy vents or louvers or any of that garbage, either. You want to lower the air pressure zone under the car, not raise it. Make a chin spoiler that's too tall, and you could overheat the car due to lack of air running past the air dam and over the radiator.

This helps create a lower pressure zone underneath the car. By lowering the air pressure underneath the car, the car itself will lower down, and you'll be more stable at high speeds. This might help the bounce/tire rub condition.

 

I knwo it works cause it feels more stable. And also I've went 130+mph on that road a few tiems before already. And the tire never scratched on those bumps. I mostly put it for looks anyways.

 

Any time you add downforce to the rear of the car you transfer weight to the rear. This actually creates an imbalance and unloads the front suspension making the front end float in extreme cases of excessive rear downforce. 140 mph with a lot of downforce on the rear and no chin spoiler on the front...... *** help you if you ever have to turn, You'd have understeer from hell at that speed. You got bigger ones than me buddy <you know what I mean> But hey, no guts no glory, right?

 

Did you ever put that skyline bumper on?

 

Imma start on it next week.

 

coo

 

The skyline GTR34 ( blackbird) is my favorite vehicle on this planet beside My IROC and the Hummer. .... however.. somethings need not be touched....

On another note, go look into the archives of chevy high performance magazine. Their was a guy who was pullin 220mph in his IROC but was using a GTA wing I believe for stability. Should check it out, it was one of their " car of the year " award winners also...

 

if you do a search, the fastest land record speed was set in a 92 firebird with the 85-89 style T/A Aero Wing

Just to get ya'll thinking that's the best stock spoiler for our cars. On a side note, they look great too.

You wouldn't be able to scan the pictures of the wing on a IROC would you? I would love to see it on a Camaro, but never have...

 

Have fun, Domestic Rice Boy.

 

flame war lol

 

I'd be really surprised if that car had the power to propel it to 140mph. Between the front bumper thing and the hang glider on the trunk, the aerodynamics must be pretty similar to a semi with a chute.

 

Yeah, that nose isn't very aerodynamic.

 

Sure he doese look at all his performance mods, exhaust and a K&N that add's atleast 100000000 hp. J/K but for real this kid at work was talkin about his new fart can on his escort so i asked, what performance mods u got done to it, he goes K&N first of course, and then he goes and i put a new head on but that's not really a performance part, oh wait yeah it is it's a racing head, i just kinda scrached my head..... K&N vs. racing head, i think the K&N must make more power

oh well. good for you if it helps, nice job ruining a good car if it doesn't. but to each his own.

 

From his list of mods I can't see how he got to 140mph

 

That first picture you put up looks like it's from a vidio game. what are those thing in the backround? metiors?:lala:

 

I don't know about downforce, but it sure created some lift. Like when the guy that sold it to you "lifted" the money from your wallet.

 

Was this 220 mph camaro on an oval or salt flat? I remember it being on the flats, but I could be wrong.

FYI Stock Body Salt Flat cars weigh over 4000 lbs always with no exception. (well, the little 4 bangers that don't go over 120 probably not)

-But monkey, won't that kill the cars acceleration?

Why yes it will, but they get a push start so who cares.

The 300 mph Firebird was over 5000 lbs. They call it free down force.

I guarantee that wing makes downforce. Does it make more drag than downforce? Probably. Does the front end make any downforce? No, but it's got a 500 lb engine and tranny up there that makes up for that a little. Will the wing flip the car over? Only if the good lord starts pushing on it. Come on guys, lets be realistic and for Pete's sake! Also, stop bashing on people just because they want to be different. If he puts it on your car, then you can be pissed.

The best thing to improve out car's aerodynamics is lowering and gfx. A full skirt is going to be more beneficial than a wing. Wings that work well are the '91-'92 if you move it 6 inches back on the car. Essentially it makes the wind think the car is longer, and the maximum low pressure zone occurs farther back, so it doesn't try and lift or drag on the car as much. Pick up a book and read it before posting!

 

I always learn so much from these threads about wings.

 

:sillylol:


Umm, not to point out the obvious folks, but if his speedometer tops out at 110 (nevermind the speed limiter for a sec... ) how did he conclude that he was doing 140+ mph? Just a thought.

 

Why is it so hard for some people to believe 140MPH? Who says his speedo tops out at 110? As for the rev limiter, a chip will solve that problem, which he has. He has increased airflow by porting and adding an open element and he modified his exhaust to flow more also. 140 is a very achievable speed.

Also, that spoiler is functional. It is adjustable allowing him to increase/decrease his downforce as needed.

 

Oh yeah, and REVLIMIT...how did you make that hood?! I would like one for my car!

 

Umm, because he has a 91/92 RS = 110 mph speedometer. Do some homework before you try and pick apart what people are saying. With a HP rating of 170 brand new, getting a 3500 lb. probably 100k+ mile car up to 140+ is going to be tough. A filter and a cat back are not going to make a tremedous difference, either. Not a flame here, just the simple facts. As far as the spoiler, there is such a thing as too much downforce. (read: drag) He said himself that he did it for the way it looks, so take it for what it is, an appearance modification. If real handling improvement is what he is looking for, there are far better areas on the car to improve upon than the rear wing. The hood is rather interesting though, that is definetly a different concept there.

 

any monkey with a few tools can easily swap out for a 145MPH speedo. An aftermarket one is even easier to mount.

I agree that there is the prob of too much downforce, I simply stated that it was functional.

 

It's going to be tough.. but not impossible, huh ?

With a "hefty" hp of 215 (give or take year depending), my 305 TPI 5 speed formula could do 130 (speed limited) in 5th at 2800rpm. All I had was headers, AFPR & MSD ignition at the time. I set no records getting to that speed but, I did kick a 72 Dodge Demons *** doing it.

Just because some of you haven't done it, doesn't mean it can't be done. I've reached 115mph in my turd burglar 84 SC camaro (bone stock except for the Accel coil, platinum plugs.. and EMT conduit exhaust)... granted, it wasn't fun for the car or me (well.. yea.. for me it was..) but, I did it and my camaro, it's getting ready to top 300K mi., rods knocking, valves are shot.. the only thing that is good about it is it doesn't burn oil.. it just leaks it all over the driveway :sillylol: (and some tranny fluid)

Don't say it can't be done until you can absolutely prove it can't be. Just because on paper it says it can't be done, doesn't mean in the real world it can't.

 

Exactly. Possible, just not something that would make me feel too comfortable.

 

Yep, he sure can, but I bet my lunch that he has the stock speedometer. :sillylol: The 91/92 145 Z28 clusters are not exactly easy to come across, and they pull a premium when you -can- find one. With an aftermarket one, he would have to make up a new dash cluster panel, and I would wager that he would have pics up of it sience that would probably look pretty darn cool. I was thinking maybe he did the "well my speedometer is this far wrapped around so I -think- I am going X fast" thing, but those clusters have a needle stop on them from what I remember?

As far as the wing, yep, at least it is a RWD car.

 

Do you think the spoiler I added to my front bumper underneath, the one everyone hates, actually works like this Tom? Granted I won't be taking a 2.8 to any kind of high speed, but just curious.

 

What about the one in the rear? I have one mounted back there as well, under the back bumper. Or would this cause a lifting instead. I have not researched any of this yet, I just did it for flare. Once I get the V-8, its something I would need to know.

Pic for technical purposes. I know most of you will hate my new spoiler, so I'm not posting it for the "do you like the looks" comments. I just want to consider the technical possibilties. Thanks!

 

Did you buy those tires out of an import magazine, geez.... i saw them in one a little while back. and why red tint, i've only seen it once and still dont like it.

but whatever floats ur boat.

 

damnit why do i keep hitting quote and not edit

 

oops

 

The rims are Niche Serpents and have been discontinued since 2000. I have never seen them in an import mag. The lack of circulation is part of the reason I wanted them. You never see them around. I went to a truck shop and they had Niche brochure on the wall. I decided I liked them and the thrashers then. But the thrashers had to much chrome for my car. Locally I have never seen them on an import. I have seen them on a truck and on some older Ols. I did hear the ones on the ols were on a truck before the guy bought them, but they were initially for an Eclipse.

The red was because I saw it and it looked good on a local guys red probe. So I talked to him and his buddy did the tint. I did not know it at the time, but the red really has helped with my migraines. The light is much less harsh when it comes in the car. I even went out and bought red sunglasses. The only thing the eye doctor and I can come up with is that my eyes must be more senstive to the light spectrum that the red filters out. Though regardless of its function I like the looks alot and its great for shows

 

Oh tires...I must have been replying while you were editing. I'm not sure where I first saw them. Since I don't look much at the import mags, I can't say I have seen them there. I think a buddy of mine told me about them. Anyway I have only seen them on one import. It was a civic around the same time I got mine, in July/Aug 2000. He had a blue set on his silver car. I just love that they match the car. They handle great too.

Since then I have seen them on a Yellow Mustang (yellow), A yellow Cougar (yellow) and a red S10 (red). Most people can't figure out how I got them red. The always ask about red marks on the ground during burnouts.

 

I also have my doubt about revlimit's 91 RS reaching speeds "over 140mph."

he said he went racing. What kind? where at?
He would have to be on a course with a looooong straight away or an oval track.

If he DID get that thing up to 140, I'll bet my lunch he will be faster with the wing removed.

the fact that the rear is beginning to squat at high speeds (probably more like 120mph) clearly means he has too much rear downforce. If he was racing, he must have been experiancing some extreme understeer.