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Old Jun 24, 2003 | 12:23 AM
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Started my 4th gen dash install. Pics inside

Today was an awesome day so I decided to at least start the 4th gen dash install. I wanted to get it off of the back hatch and into the car and clear up some space.

The dash is only held on by the 2 bolts under the steering column and one screw on the top of the pass side of the dash.









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Old Jun 24, 2003 | 12:25 AM
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Here are a few more misc pics from today,









Here is my workspace,
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Old Jun 24, 2003 | 12:38 AM
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Looks like you are coming along! Nice work! Car running yet?
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Old Jun 24, 2003 | 12:48 AM
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Thanks.
Car isn't running yet. We actually took the motor apart the other day. I had the LT4 Hot Cam in there and I didn't really want it so we took it out and put it in my brothers 96 Trans Am since he was putting on some ported heads.
He's going to get me a CC305 or 306 cam to replace my LT4 Hot Cam.
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Old Jun 24, 2003 | 08:07 AM
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ahh very nice.. but is that a firebird dash with a camaro steering wheel? and whats the big idea lettin the cobra in eh? hehehe looks sweet man... that a chit load of wires.. that alone would make me pass out.. Car is gunna be ubersweet when its all done.
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Old Jun 24, 2003 | 08:46 AM
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Yep, that's a Firebird Dash with a Camaro wheel and a Camaro Cluster.
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Old Jun 24, 2003 | 09:12 AM
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Dude nice job. It looks like that 4th gen dash is shorter than 3rd gen or probably I have to visit my eye doctor :lala:
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Old Jun 24, 2003 | 09:58 AM
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Since you have everything apart, why don't you paint the red pieces black so when you open the door, its black not red. Seems would be able to do a lot of that and not have to take stuff apart later. Just an idea, btw the hood on the formula looks sweet.

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Old Jun 24, 2003 | 10:35 AM
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That many wires scares me, thats why i havnt tried it yet. Is the 4th gen dash a direct bolt up replacement?
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Old Jun 24, 2003 | 03:41 PM
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what type of exhaust do you have on your car i saw the video on your site when you where driving up and down the street and love how the car sounds tearing up the street.
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Old Jun 24, 2003 | 03:47 PM
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Wow, thats alot of wiring....Looks like you're making progress though!
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Old Jun 24, 2003 | 06:08 PM
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what kind of rims and tire's are those and whats the size's?
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Old Jun 24, 2003 | 07:44 PM
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PLEASE keep us updated...

What are your plans for making the HVAC controls work??
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Old Jun 24, 2003 | 09:47 PM
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My wife keeps telling me she want me to do the 4TH gen dash swap in our IROC-Z.

Looks like WAY to many wires though... ugh.

Also, the speedo working with '87 cable stuff.....
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Old Jun 24, 2003 | 11:22 PM
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Dude nice job. It looks like that 4th gen dash is shorter than 3rd gen or probably I have to visit my eye doctor
Ya, the 4th gen dash looks like an inch shorter on each side.

I'll probably paint the red parts black soon.

what type of exhaust do you have on your car i saw the video on your site when you where driving up and down the street and love how the car sounds tearing up the street.
In the video, that exhaust was a Pacesetter 3" Stainless steel catback with Dynomax Shorty Headers and a 3" Hi-flow Cat.
The Catback came right off of a 95 Trans Am vert.


That many wires scares me, thats why i havnt tried it yet. Is the 4th gen dash a direct bolt up replacement?
There looks like a lot of wires since that is the stock wiring and the 4th gen dash wiring, which most aren't going to be used. Just have to sit down and start eliminating them. The dash is really close to a direct bolt in, but not 100%.


what kind of rims and tire's are those and whats the size's?
The wheels on my car are OZ Racing Monte Carlos, 17x9.5 with BFG G-Force T/A KDW 275/40/17. These will eventually find thier way onto the 88 Formula

What are your plans for making the HVAC controls work??
Car will have no HVAC at all. I took out the heater box and everything hvac related. Car isn't going to be a daily driver, more of a weekend race car
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Old Jun 24, 2003 | 11:36 PM
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Originally posted by Zepher
What are your plans for making the HVAC controls work??
Car will have no HVAC at all. I took out the heater box and everything hvac related. Car isn't going to be a daily driver, more of a weekend race car
Do you see anyway that the HVAC could be made to work???
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Old Jun 25, 2003 | 12:14 AM
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I Cant wait to see your car done Zepher. I love the idea the someone is going for the ALL black look.

Good Luck with those wires man.
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Old Jun 25, 2003 | 01:09 AM
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so am i but my car came from the factory with black paint and ALL black interior.Going to buy those type of rims that zepher has and get them powder coated black.
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Old Jun 25, 2003 | 01:12 AM
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Thats awesome man, if my car was black I would be doing the triple black as well but its white so, who knows, maybe still.

Do you have a pic of your car right now? I would love to see it. Email or PM me or something.
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Old Jun 25, 2003 | 02:46 AM
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I didn't even bother to see if I could get the hvac controls to work.
I ripped out the airbox inside the car along with the hvac controls.

The Rims I have aren't available anymore, so they are quite hard to find.

This is what the car looks like right now, except the front is sitting really low with no springs installed,


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Old Jun 25, 2003 | 02:50 AM
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Any idea when it will be all together Zepher?
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Old Jun 25, 2003 | 02:55 AM
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Probably late this year.
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Old Jun 25, 2003 | 04:04 AM
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thats one of the toughest lookin (non-camaro) i've seen...most 3gee firebirds just don't have the look. nice car man.
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Old Jun 25, 2003 | 11:11 AM
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I think you should name that car "Turnpike" Cause it reminds me of the PA Turnpike... Always under construction yet never completely functional. I'd like to see the finished product before my kids are having kids. Keep us updated.
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Old Jun 25, 2003 | 08:23 PM
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I need to stay with one plan, that is the main problem, I keep wanting to change **** before I am done.
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Old Jun 25, 2003 | 08:49 PM
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Zepher whats up with the paint also whats under the hood maybe some pictures. :hail:
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Old Jun 25, 2003 | 08:52 PM
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Originally posted by tbfirebird
Zepher whats up with the paint also whats under the hood maybe some pictures. :hail:
Car was maroon, but I wanted it black, so I did it myself. I'll re-do it the right way when the car is running again.



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Old Jun 25, 2003 | 09:20 PM
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NICE i think im going to copy you.





Forget TPI im going with lt1 also.Hey do u know what was the last year they made LT1 engines think im going to get me a complete, LT1 engine and T-56 trans this summer.Probally run me around $4 grand or a little more.
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Old Jun 25, 2003 | 09:43 PM
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97 was the last year of the LT1 in the F-body and 96 was the last year of the LT1 in the Vette.
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Old Jun 25, 2003 | 09:46 PM
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Why such a short production run on the LT1? 92-97 (Vette in '92)... When TPI was 85-92?

Seems like they put a lot of tech into it, only to drop it.

I wish that Chevy/GM would've done something like they did in the 80's... Give engine choices. In 98 I would've liked to have seen the options of LT1 or LS1 in the F-Body.

Would've been neat. Part of the allure of certain cars for me is that not everyone knows exactly what engine is in it...
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Old Jun 25, 2003 | 10:46 PM
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Originally posted by Dante93GTZ
Why such a short production run on the LT1? 92-97 (Vette in '92)... When TPI was 85-92?

Seems like they put a lot of tech into it, only to drop it.

I wish that Chevy/GM would've done something like they did in the 80's... Give engine choices. In 98 I would've liked to have seen the options of LT1 or LS1 in the F-Body.

Would've been neat. Part of the allure of certain cars for me is that not everyone knows exactly what engine is in it...
why such a short run? cause the LS1 is better... the LT1 and the LS1 use two different kinds of blocks, so there would be a waste of money for these two 5.7 engines for just these cars and vettes. just as TPI gave way to LT1, the LT1's gave way to better and stronger LS1's... LS1's will give away to LS6's, and LS6's will give way to..... camless engines? maybe? doubt it
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Old Jun 25, 2003 | 11:19 PM
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camless is coming...an instructor at my school is an ex drag racer,he holds like 10 world records in nhra nitro funny cars , his anmes mike jones, he's an older guy. but he knows people everywhere,he knows about all new cars that come and and motor crap. and he says in like 10 or so yrs they'll come out w/ sumthin that has variable valve timing and controlled my solenoids or sometihn like that..
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Old Jun 25, 2003 | 11:28 PM
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there is a rumor running around that the Z06 will get a camless engine... it will be run by electric solinods to control the valve... only problem is the HUGE power draw. BMW tried it a few years ago, but they had power problems... After the rumor about the c6 vette getting the camless engine came out, about 14 people were fired from the corvette team... makes ya wonder? also this was around the same time that motor trend came out with there pics of the c6 that apperently they got like 400 phone calls from the vette team asking where they got thoes pics and that there gunan sue if they print it.... oh well...
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