D's89rs

I have an 89 RS and have T-tops that I've never seen before......

They are smaller than the GM versions, there is a bigger gap between the windshield and the start of the t-tops, and it has a "C&C, Cars & Concepts," logo on them. I also don't have the hooks in the hump area to secure the tops, but I do have a seatbelt in the hatch pocket with a hook.

I'm guessing this isn't factory, but I'm not sure. Also, the seals are starting to go (I have a red rubber tubular string that flies all over the place, but is still attached in the middle), and I'm going to have to find replacements some how.

Anybody have any info on these? Or where I can find seals and/or new tops?

Steve86TA

iTrader: (57)

You are correct.Those are aftermarket.I thought that there was a place that sold the weathersripping for them,but I cant remember the name right now.

PONTIACGTA88

HEY I HAVE THE SAME TOPS THE WEB SITE YOU NEED IS THIS ONE http://www.sunroofdoctor.com/

D's89rs

cool, thank you, that helps alot.....
although finding out they are aftermarket is kinda dissapointing :-/

Agent13

iTrader: (6)

My '82 has those T-Tops too.

BretD 88GTA

Yes, the Sun Roof Dr. will have everything you need to repair your C&C T-tops. My '88 has the C&C tops as well, but mine go one further in that they also flip open like some sunroofs. It's a very cool feature.

mw66nova

iTrader: (13)

pics of that please?

D's89rs

So I'm guessing that the nice new pre-formed headliners for a standard t-top will not fit. I haven't seen any for the C&C tops so I'm guessing (again) that I have to have a custom headliner made, right?

Agent13

iTrader: (6)

I noticed that on your car. Very cool. I would love to find a set like that and put them on my car.

Here is a picture of his T-tops.

BretD 88GTA

You are correct, you'll have to go custom on the headliner. Since the C&C tops are shorter than the factory T-tops, the standard T-top stuff some companies offer will not work.

yankeecarman

iTrader: (9)

I have the C & C tops also. I live in Australia and I have only ever seen one top like this here. Someone on EBAY is selling a used set in case you would like a spare set. I would get on it right away but the costs to bring them over here is really expensive and may not make the trip in one piece. EBAY #2445681708. Maybe youre interested.

mw66nova

iTrader: (13)

hmm, those tops look like they would leak like mad....

BretD 88GTA

Nope. I have only one very minor leak and it's due to worn weather stripping along the window edge. I've heard people with factory T-tops complain about far worse leaks.

mw66nova

iTrader: (13)

wow, very cool!

D's89rs

No leaks with mine either. The only complaint are the aformentioned red weatherstripping that flaps in the wind, and wind coming into the car at high speeds (60+ mph).

BretD 88GTA

The red weatherstripping is called the "P" seal for the C&C tops. They are $43.50 each from www.sunroofdoctor.com for the front and rear seals. My P seals are in need of replacement as well.

PONTIACGTA88

the red felt weather strip does wear out, hey after 16 years of use thats pretty good.too get them back like new the kit costs $297.90 and comes with six pieces,not too bad

yankeecarman

iTrader: (9)

The guy who sold the replacement weatherstrip didnt have the p-seal for the longest time. He then sent these felt-like seals. They seem to be doing the job so I guess they are alright. Are the red seals more rubbery? Under $300 sound ok to me.

Agent13

iTrader: (6)

Does anyone have a picture of the "P Seal" I think the t-tops on my 82 are missing parts.

BretD 88GTA

The seals on my tops are a long, round red rubber piece (like a strand of spaghetti) that is wrapped in a felt material with a flat edge that gets riveted to the T-top frame. It basically looks like the letter P from the side.

It's the felt material that fails and starts to fall apart as the car ages. The rubber inserts then start to come out and flop around or fall out completely.

Here is a diagram of the C&C T-tops and their various parts. I've flagged the "P" seals.

SHAGME

where do i but those?

BretD 88GTA

www.sunroofdoctor.com

PONTIACGTA88

do they call them p seals cause once they go bad water pee's inside....but i need to figure out first how to fix my sagging door since it doesnt sit right on the weatherstripping so i get a leak thru there the door hinges are welded looks like a big big job.....

BretD 88GTA

How to fix your sagging door:
http://www.top-downsolutions.com/pro...products_id=33

theratdude64

How much would it be to add em? I love t tops but dont have em... If you can, do you do it or ship it somewhere like marks customs or whatever their name is that does the nightrider conversions... Id go with them, but 1500 is a little much , lol

okfoz

I almost bought a set of the opening type T-tops a few years back, the salvage yard could not get rid of them, I could have gotten them for $20 for the pair, but when I tried to put them on my FORMULA they would not fit... so I left them there I wish I would have snagged them to sell to someone who needs them, I think they went into the dumptser (

John

PONTIACGTA88

bret thanks for the link,i was almost considering welding the doors shut and doing a "dukes of hazard" entrance.lol thanks

87CIZ

iTrader: (8)

those are cool that flip open like a sunroof! Has anyone thought about a targa top? one piece that folds in half to be about the same size as the t-tops? just my imagination but it would be pretty cool

Agent13

iTrader: (6)

Damn... Looks like I am missing parts for my t-tops. Anyone know where I can get the covers that cover the rivets on the top of the car?

PONTIACGTA88

DID YOU TRY WWW.SUNROOFDOCTOR.COM 82FIREBIRDTA?

okfoz

Just an FYI, when you LEAVE YOUR CAPS ON IT LOOKS LIKE YOUR YELLING. I do it sometimes and have to re write what I just typed because I was just doing some Technical Drawings where its appropriate.

Dont take this personal, just keep it in mind.

John

89cmrodriver

where have u been? 85sportcoupeto89rs is doing a 82 z28 targe. tpi383 is doing a 92 z28 targa.

solstone

Hey, I'm in the same C&C boat with my 91Z and have been wondering about structural integrity since the roof of the car was altered by whoever install the C&C t-tops. Do they do anything in reinforce the roof of the car or is that why they spaced the tops a bit further back from the front windshield than the factory t-tops - hoping it would be enough. Is it enough?

Just wondering: if the car ever flipped, should i seriously consider DUCKING?!

BretD 88GTA

I don't think the C&C tops are any less structurely sound than factory T-tops. Factory T-top or aftermarket T-top, you flip the car over and you'll probably kiss some pavement.

okfoz

Even the Factory T-tops you you would have to "duck" if you fliped your car...

There was one in a junkyard, looked like it slid for a while on the top... The windshield was pushed down, but what probably saved the driver was B pillar roof section.

John

solstone

Oh, i had heard from a bodyshop guy that t-tops from the factory weren't just holes cut out - the structure along side the windshield was most likely reinforced. He said that since the C&C were aftermarket, they probably didn't reinforce the supports; that's why they cut the holes smaller and further from the front windshield. I was thinking that's why you can't buy a "complete" kit anymore, cause of some legal thing because they're unsafe...

no?

solstone

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Can anyone confirm that the factory T-tops had reinforced supports?