Window motor install.......THE EASY WAY....the tech article is bogus!
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Re: Window motor install.......THE EASY WAY....the tech article is bogus!
saw this post and went out and bought two new motors just cause I had the panels off and this method made it soooo easy.......I sprayed some adhesive on my index finger and stuck the nut on there which made installing the bottom bolt super easy.....nice job OP
02-02-2012, 05:02 PM
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Sorry but Ill preferr to do things the *RIGHT* way. Drilling unneeded holes ANYWHERE in my car to save me a few extra minutes is just rediculous in my book, and is the true meaning of HACK JOB. Having done this the job the RIGHT way before, its NOT that hard at all if you take your time and have any mechanical ability.
Besides, if someones afraid of a few cuts here and there, then you have no business working on cars... sell it and go buy a Honduh.
Id hate to see what your going to do when you need to replace your fuel pump. :lala:
Besides, if someones afraid of a few cuts here and there, then you have no business working on cars... sell it and go buy a Honduh.
Id hate to see what your going to do when you need to replace your fuel pump. :lala:
02-02-2012, 08:06 PM
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So I'm only getting 3.5 volts to the motor. I imagine it is supposed to be at 12 volts... Am I right? But either way, neither switch would make the window roll up, and I already got the motor out. Is there any possibility other than a bad connection or something?
02-02-2012, 09:33 PM
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You're right about the voltage. And if you've got the motor out, ground it, and put 12 volts to it and see if it operates.
02-02-2012, 10:05 PM
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Don't know what was going on before, ignore my last post. I came back to it after cooling down a bit ( I always seem to run into problems when fixing my car, which is why I am not a mechanic for a living) and it worked just fine. I have no idea why, but it must have been a bad connection, i swapped the switches twice when I got back to it, and it worked just fine. Thank though!
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Thanks for all the input. I'm a GM tech and I've had to change out window regulator/motors on other GM cars that use the same style regulator/motor. We try to replace the whole assembly to insure a proper repair because its covered by a warranty. I know other techs have pulled out the assembly and use a C clamp to hold the big spring and hold the regulator in place while drilling out the rivets for the motor.
I think to each his own when it comes to DIY repairs. It's your car do what you want. I have to replaced both motors on my '92 RS, I personally would like to replace the whole regulator/motor assembly but not sure now...I may just replace the motors and I got a uni-bit...FYI when drilling the rivets whether your doing the whole thing or just the motor MAKE SURE your drill bit is SHARP!!! it saves you alot of time and headache. I'll let y'all know what I decide to do.
I think to each his own when it comes to DIY repairs. It's your car do what you want. I have to replaced both motors on my '92 RS, I personally would like to replace the whole regulator/motor assembly but not sure now...I may just replace the motors and I got a uni-bit...FYI when drilling the rivets whether your doing the whole thing or just the motor MAKE SURE your drill bit is SHARP!!! it saves you alot of time and headache. I'll let y'all know what I decide to do.
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Re: Window motor install.......THE EASY WAY....the tech article is bogus!
just tried this on one of my replacement doors and the motor fell out quite easily once i had drilled the 3 holes, then drilled the screw bolt things out too, they were seized so i couldnt get any movement with a screwdriver at all even with the little wrench on the back !
the motor dropped out no problem.
My replacement motors already have that thing attached to them that sits over the cog/gear though, and that part is still attached to the door, is it easier to take it off the new motor because it looks like it was left on from what i can see in this thread ?
the motor dropped out no problem.
My replacement motors already have that thing attached to them that sits over the cog/gear though, and that part is still attached to the door, is it easier to take it off the new motor because it looks like it was left on from what i can see in this thread ?
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Re: Window motor install.......THE EASY WAY....the tech article is bogus!
just did my passenger side motor this way and i cant thank the op enugh also greesed the tracks and slides and every thing works great kinda a akward reach to greese everything but it is doable just dont be afraid to do it by hand and wash up after words and it can be done
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I must admit these forums are great . After removing door panel 30 minute job. Thank you for template worked great. for everyone calling it a hack job a little touch-up paint looks like holes were always there lol.uni bit definately the way to go.Once again thank you all for all your posts
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Re: Window motor install.......THE EASY WAY....the tech article is bogus!
Ok the day is the day I'm going to replace both motors. I'm going to drill the holes to get the motor out.
Question...does it matter what position the window is in? My passenger side is stuck in the upward position and doesn't roll down. The driver side is down but I can roll it up it just takes about 4-5 times and you gotta wait like 10 mins each time you press the button.
just answered my own question...on to the passenger side
Question...does it matter what position the window is in? My passenger side is stuck in the upward position and doesn't roll down. The driver side is down but I can roll it up it just takes about 4-5 times and you gotta wait like 10 mins each time you press the button.
just answered my own question...on to the passenger side
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got the pass side done last night, I had to open up the holes cuz I didn't get
them dead nuts but whatever. The previous owner had the window motor and regulator replaced and the metal around the rivets is cracked and fatigued so I didn't care how big I made the holes. Nice now I got both windows rolling up and down nicely.
them dead nuts but whatever. The previous owner had the window motor and regulator replaced and the metal around the rivets is cracked and fatigued so I didn't care how big I made the holes. Nice now I got both windows rolling up and down nicely.
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So overall it was an easier job than trying to fight with the window and trying to get the regulator and motor assembly out.
06-09-2012, 01:27 PM
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What I'd like to know is why didnt GM put those three extra holes there from the factory??
Same thing with the fuel pump,they should have put in an access panel to make changing it easier.You wouldnt believe how many third gens I've seen where someones cut a hole in the hatch floor.
Same thing with the fuel pump,they should have put in an access panel to make changing it easier.You wouldnt believe how many third gens I've seen where someones cut a hole in the hatch floor.
08-01-2012, 10:41 AM
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I just did both my motors this way as well. As Vader mentioned WAY back when this was originally being discussed, the CORRECT way to do the job includes cleaning and re-greasing the tracks. I used and old toothbrush, and with various different window positions, was able to reach all the tracks and rollers with only minimal scratches to my arms!!!!! ....AND.....I didn't remove the regulators. I did the job exactly as the OP describes. Unless your car is a true bone stock survivor, I don't see the issue with three small hidden holes. Again, just my opinion.
....with regard to the fuel pump, I think cutting the fuel lines can be a safety issue, and can only be done properly by dropping the tank. A hack job? Not in my book. .....a safety issue is a whole 'nother thing entirely.
....with regard to the fuel pump, I think cutting the fuel lines can be a safety issue, and can only be done properly by dropping the tank. A hack job? Not in my book. .....a safety issue is a whole 'nother thing entirely.
08-10-2012, 07:18 PM
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What I'd like to know is why didnt GM put those three extra holes there from the factory??
Same thing with the fuel pump,they should have put in an access panel to make changing it easier.You wouldnt believe how many third gens I've seen where someones cut a hole in the hatch floor.
Same thing with the fuel pump,they should have put in an access panel to make changing it easier.You wouldnt believe how many third gens I've seen where someones cut a hole in the hatch floor.
08-12-2012, 01:29 PM
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thank god i found this...changed my pass side motor no problem. just had a hard time getting the bolts in. but it works! Thanks!
08-29-2012, 08:03 PM
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Re: Window motor install.......THE EASY WAY....the tech article is bogus!
Then I opened the pdf version in Adobe reader. To print to paper, I selected my 8 1/2 x 11 sheet and selected "Fit to paper."
I haven't yet tested the template, but hopefully that gives you an idea to help print the image close to what you need.
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I understand this is an old thread but in the G-body world this is the correct way to service the motors. The doors even have dimples in them for the location to drill the holes.
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Is there any way to replace the motor by just swapping the thing out? I'm a little confused into why I would have to drill more holes into the door to replace the old one?
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Re: Window motor install.......THE EASY WAY....the tech article is bogus!
You're actually drilling out the rivets that hold the motor into the regulator in the door.
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You need to go back to the 1st few pages of this thread for a review, then it will become clearer. you'll notice a bit of "controversy."
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Re: Window motor install.......THE EASY WAY....the tech article is bogus!
My drivers window is doing the start stop thing so if my attempts at lubing the tracks aren't successful, I'll be looking at replacing the motor and I'll be taking this shortcut. Thanks for the tip.
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I followed this suggestion and it only took about 30 minutes a door (including panels). MANY THANKS
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it took me 20 minutes to convert my door to power from manual i didnt drill any extra holes you put the window all the way up and remove 1 track and you can pull the regulator assembly out the back access hole without any problems
06-22-2013, 07:13 AM
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Isn't there a little matter of spring tension on that window regulator that could cause that window to fall rather fast when that motor is removed.Now I realize that this thread is just about antique , , But since it seems to have undergone a bit of a revival I thought I'd like to clear something up here . This poster states that the window will fall upon motor removal and indicates that it will be the spring slamming the window down . It is my understanding that as the window LOWERS the spring tension INCREASES so as to give the motor an easier time lifting the window back UP , correct ??? Thus , if the window falls like a ton of bricks upon motor removal would that not indicate a BROKEN spring ? In other words , the window spring should be trying to LIFT and not DROP the window with the motor removed . If your window falls unrestrained when you remove the motor I'd be planning on replacing the spring in the regulator (or the entire regulator assy. itself , springs like these can be rather dangerous if not handled exactly right)
PS , THIS thread deserves a sticky just as much as any of the other stuck threads !!! I will ask moderation to make it so ......
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WOW - wish I would have found this sooner - I am still struggling with getting my motor and window working correctly - my gear arm and everything came out when I was working on mine - not realizing what had happened, I manipulated the whole deal out to see what was going on, and then found that this was a huge bad idea.....if anyone has any insight they would care to provide on how to correct, I would be forever appreciative.
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Go back to the beginning and read the posts. Any info you need is in here...somewhere. I mistakenly pulled mine apart too. Nows a good time to convert to mechanical. Good riddens to electic.
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Just a little comment about why GM didn't put in an access door for the fuel pump: perhaps 5 hours of labor at the dealership to replace a fuel pump had something to do with it, HMMM??
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Funny you mention that. Had to do my Intrepid pump a few weeks ago, and it "has" an access panel in the trunk. piece of cake.
11-03-2013, 09:02 AM
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Several observations:
First, I'll agree that all of the Tech Articles posted on the site aren't always 100% accurate, Also, they generally offer only one means of accomplishing a task. There are always alternate methods.
Next, power window motors, whether on ThirdGens, FourthGens, "Honduhs", or anything else for that matter, typically fail for a reason, not just randomly. The two main reasons are it reaching the end of a useful life, or overload. More often than anyone might believe, overload is the cause. That frequently happens to coincide with the age of the vehicle, and is inadvertently attributed to "an old, worn out motor".
The reason for the coincidence is that window channels, guides, and the regulator mechanism lose their lubrication, causing the window to become harder to operate. The windows on older vehicles also frequently require adjustment to prevent binding. Simply replacing a motor is treating the symptom, not the cause. That's usually why a conscientious repair technician will take the extra time to remove the entire assembly, clean and lubricate it with the factory (white lithium) grease, then adjust the stops, guides, and regulator alignment to insure smooth operation for another 15 years. It also insures correct window glass position on closure to properly contact the top, front, and rear seals.
You can replace just the motor, but you'll probably be back a lot sooner than the original motor lasted.
As a side note, most of the window motors I've replaced have failed due to worn brushes and/or an overheated thermal overload that no longer resets (due to the aforementioned overloading). When the commutator is cleaned properly, a new brush holder and overload assembly can be installed easily without removing the motor, without drilling anything, and in less time than replacing the motor as you suggest. If you want to take a shortcut, that might be worth investigating instead:
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First, I'll agree that all of the Tech Articles posted on the site aren't always 100% accurate, Also, they generally offer only one means of accomplishing a task. There are always alternate methods.
Next, power window motors, whether on ThirdGens, FourthGens, "Honduhs", or anything else for that matter, typically fail for a reason, not just randomly. The two main reasons are it reaching the end of a useful life, or overload. More often than anyone might believe, overload is the cause. That frequently happens to coincide with the age of the vehicle, and is inadvertently attributed to "an old, worn out motor".
The reason for the coincidence is that window channels, guides, and the regulator mechanism lose their lubrication, causing the window to become harder to operate. The windows on older vehicles also frequently require adjustment to prevent binding. Simply replacing a motor is treating the symptom, not the cause. That's usually why a conscientious repair technician will take the extra time to remove the entire assembly, clean and lubricate it with the factory (white lithium) grease, then adjust the stops, guides, and regulator alignment to insure smooth operation for another 15 years. It also insures correct window glass position on closure to properly contact the top, front, and rear seals.
You can replace just the motor, but you'll probably be back a lot sooner than the original motor lasted.
As a side note, most of the window motors I've replaced have failed due to worn brushes and/or an overheated thermal overload that no longer resets (due to the aforementioned overloading). When the commutator is cleaned properly, a new brush holder and overload assembly can be installed easily without removing the motor, without drilling anything, and in less time than replacing the motor as you suggest. If you want to take a shortcut, that might be worth investigating instead:
Power Window Motors.pdf
I replied to this post and share my experience because in my opinion the most reliable repar is to remove these components, clean them and get them working like they did when it was brand new. If you compare the quick fix to the more longer repair you are still drilling something. I would also like to add that it was much easier installing the motor on the regulator outside of the door and the engineers left plenty of room to get this assembly in and out. By the way, no skinned knuckles and no wrenches were thrown!
11-03-2013, 09:52 AM
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I don't see any hack job here at all. We all have our own perspectives and opinions....it's only natural. I personally would NEVER call somebody an outright hack, I'd rather give an option different to their way.
I like this idea and if it makes for more guys attempting to work on their 20 year old cars, then by all means go for it! I'd rather encourage than discourage somebody from doing their own work.
Heck.....I remember the dealership telling my father to cut a hole in the inner fender of a 79 T/A to replace the blower motor, instead of removing the inner fender. Now that's a dealership saying that.....is that a hack job too?
I like this idea and if it makes for more guys attempting to work on their 20 year old cars, then by all means go for it! I'd rather encourage than discourage somebody from doing their own work.
Heck.....I remember the dealership telling my father to cut a hole in the inner fender of a 79 T/A to replace the blower motor, instead of removing the inner fender. Now that's a dealership saying that.....is that a hack job too?
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It's nice to have different options, and different circumstances negate different actions. By all means, if your 3rd gen is a keeper, put the extra time into total overhaul. But if you've got a beater, that is 3 days shy of the bone yard, the quick fix makes sense to me. My DD has been falling apart this yr, and with 190K on the clock, it'll be crushed very soon. When a strut popped, the junk yard provided me with a cheap replacement. Same thing with the elect. fuel pump. I'm sure not going to pay full price for replacement components, only to junk the car next year. (But hey, that's just me). Besides, "easy" is a relative term.
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Good thinking. I dont think it's a "hack job" but def. a shortcut that seems cheap. In a bad way. Big deal? No. But if you love your OLD car, you should take it out and look for anything that needs attention. Your there anyway. my +.02
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If the reasoning for total O/H, (removing the entire assy), is to lube up the tracks, I'm sure there's a way to get grease on the scissors and pivot points W/O removal. A well engineered extension tube on a grease gun and a mirror would probably suffice.
11-07-2013, 04:04 PM
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By removing the regulator you get complete access to the rollers which are mounted on the regulator. Regreasing just the tracks is only half the battle. Most of the resistance was in the pin to roller connection. It would have been impossible to clean and extract the old dried up grease from the rollers without it removing it. I however am very OCD with my car and I just painted it so I am doing everything to the nth degree.
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Just wanted to say thanks to the OP and the template provided, this helped out allot!
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What I'd like to know is why didnt GM put those three extra holes there from the factory??
Same thing with the fuel pump,they should have put in an access panel to make changing it easier.You wouldnt believe how many third gens I've seen where someones cut a hole in the hatch floor.
Same thing with the fuel pump,they should have put in an access panel to make changing it easier.You wouldnt believe how many third gens I've seen where someones cut a hole in the hatch floor.
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Did both my window motors this way. One quick lesson though, LOCtite the screws that hold the motor in or else the screws will back out and the motor will fall down.
On a side note, I love reading threads where someone comes up with an easier way to do something by drilling a hole in a panel. The purists come out of the wood work with there hair on fire screaming "HACK JOB!". I find it amusing.
On a side note, I love reading threads where someone comes up with an easier way to do something by drilling a hole in a panel. The purists come out of the wood work with there hair on fire screaming "HACK JOB!". I find it amusing.
02-14-2015, 03:01 PM
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Re: Window motor install.......THE EASY WAY....the tech article is bogus!
Like mentioned many pages B4, if your car is a condition 3 or worse, and is a DD, who cares about hacking a few holes in a panel that'll never be seen. But if your car is a super clean, low mileage original, I can see going the long route. Usually, it can afford to be down longer. Good job on your installs.
08-07-2015, 12:34 PM
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Re: Window motor install.......THE EASY WAY....the tech article is bogus!
Thanks OP for this post, worked great for me on passenger side. To reiterate, you only need the 3 access holes to drill out the rivets, they come out in seconds. So easy I'll do this again on the drivers side with a slow motor. Cheers!
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Re: Window motor install.......THE EASY WAY....the tech article is bogus!
I replaced a 4th gen, and it was the easiest work I ever did. I drilled 2-3 holes, drilled the rivets out, the motor dropped out, I bolted a new one in---DONE. What is all this crap about pulling the regulator out the back? Never even heard of it.
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Re: Window motor install.......THE EASY WAY....the tech article is bogus!
What did you use to reattach the motor to the door panel? If you used rivets – is there a special kind a rivet that mushrooms into a cloverleaf like the factory original and what is it called ?
Sorry but Ill preferr to do things the *RIGHT* way. Drilling unneeded holes ANYWHERE in my car to save me a few extra minutes is just rediculous in my book, and is the true meaning of HACK JOB. Having done this the job the RIGHT way before, its NOT that hard at all if you take your time and have any mechanical ability.
Besides, if someones afraid of a few cuts here and there, then you have no business working on cars... sell it and go buy a Honduh.
Id hate to see what your going to do when you need to replace your fuel pump. :lala:
Besides, if someones afraid of a few cuts here and there, then you have no business working on cars... sell it and go buy a Honduh.
Id hate to see what your going to do when you need to replace your fuel pump. :lala:
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Re: Window motor install.......THE EASY WAY....the tech article is bogus!
The replacement motors usually supply bolts to re-attach.
08-09-2016, 04:40 PM
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Re: Window motor install.......THE EASY WAY....the tech article is bogus!
There are replacement rivets and yes they are large/odd size and requires a bigger pop rivot gun. I did go by a body shop and the body man said I could use his if I wanted. I did however found an easier solution. I did buy some of the rivots but used some standard 1/4-20 bolts, locking washers and nuts and for security used some blue lock tight. I could only get three out of the four in but it is holding good and had no issues with mounting the door panel with the height of the bolt head. Looking back I would have done the same thing.