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Old Jul 18, 2004 | 08:04 PM
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camaro to firebird bumper convert

i have been thinkin of maybe puttin a firebird bumper on my camaro kus i want the plate to be in the bumper so i can close off the area where my plate is now. i think it would look better.

can anyone photoshop this maybe?

and if i mount the firebird bumper on will it be all ****ed up lookin? should i just cut the plate area out of a junk bumper and put it into a camaro bumper?

any thoughts welcome.
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Old Jul 19, 2004 | 12:14 AM
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i saw a camaro that had that done when i was cruising around town, it looked fine, to me, i followed it for a while till i had to turn to head home, it was definitaly a camaro by the tails, i think i was black all the way across the middle panel where the licence plate wshould be, not positive, i was checking out the trailer hitch directly below the licence plate, not sure what you would want to pull with a caamaro, but ive seen a c*ddy pulling a boat bigger than itself, still i wouldnt use my camaro as anykind of tool, camaros strickly for show,speed and fun, not a beater, two firsts on the same vehicle, anywho the bumper wasnt hanging on funny or anything, although i have no clue what kind of work he would have had done for it, it looked different, but good on his car, all he needed was a paint job
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Old Jul 19, 2004 | 12:44 PM
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It'll require some custom work whichever way you decide to go...the Firebird tail is about 2 inches wider than a Camaro.
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Old Jul 19, 2004 | 02:46 PM
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The is no chance in a warm place that a firebird bumper will fit a camaro w/o extensive mods it. Width is not the only problem. The firebird bumper is only about 1" wider at the point where is bolts to the body. Depth and general shape are what makes it more of an impossibility.
Molding in a spot for a liscense plate to a camaro bumper would be considerably easier.
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Old Jul 19, 2004 | 04:02 PM
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Originally posted by deadbird
The is no chance in a warm place that a firebird bumper will fit a camaro w/o extensive mods it. Width is not the only problem. The firebird bumper is only about 1" wider at the point where is bolts to the body. Depth and general shape are what makes it more of an impossibility.
Molding in a spot for a liscense plate to a camaro bumper would be considerably easier.
thats what i wanted to know.

somebody hit my bumper in the corner a few months ago so its pushed in and it needs some work. so i may as well have a junk bird bumper cut up and put it into mine.

i think if u do it right and just go black across all the lights it would look cool.
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Old Jul 19, 2004 | 07:20 PM
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Though it's probably a waste of time, here's a picture of why it's not a direct bolt on or why it can't be just cut down in width, for future reference...
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Old Jul 19, 2004 | 10:33 PM
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yea i checked out a firebird once and was like that looks weird but couldnt place it kus i didnt see them side by side.
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Old Jul 20, 2004 | 12:12 AM
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Old Jul 20, 2004 | 08:01 AM
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Re: camaro to firebird bumper convert

Originally posted by SinthetikIroc
i have been thinkin of maybe puttin a firebird bumper on my camaro kus i want the plate to be in the bumper so i can close off the area where my plate is now. i think it would look better.

can anyone photoshop this maybe?
Someone beat ya to it:



:P

BLECH....
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Old Jul 20, 2004 | 09:05 AM
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From: Doghouse ······································ Car: 1989 Formula 350 Vert Engine: 350 L98 Transmission: 700R4 Axle/Gears: B&W 3.27
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On solution you may have is to get your Firebird Bumper like that guy, but since its not a direct bolt on, it would be a problem.

My solution would be to cut a hole out of the Camaro bumper and take the Firebird bumper licenceplate notch and insert and glue it into place. You would have enough extra material to help support it, then get some rubber bumper filler, and finish it off THat is what it looks like that guy did.

I would also be tempted to make your center piece fold down for the key mech...

Good luck

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Old Jul 20, 2004 | 07:16 PM
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heh

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Old Jul 20, 2004 | 10:55 PM
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Re: heh

Originally posted by 67 Camaro 88
i think that looks good.


i saw that convert before its ****in ugly
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Old Jul 20, 2004 | 11:37 PM
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In my opinion, that is the way they should have made the cars. It looks really cool, and you it says camaro on it somewhere too.
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Old Jul 21, 2004 | 07:41 AM
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From: Doghouse ······································ Car: 1989 Formula 350 Vert Engine: 350 L98 Transmission: 700R4 Axle/Gears: B&W 3.27
Car: 87 Formula T-Top, 87 Formula HT
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Much better IMO
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Old Jul 21, 2004 | 05:11 PM
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looks like the rear of a 80 camaro like that sort of... but it looks good
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Old Jul 22, 2004 | 09:11 AM
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I think they both look stupid. I think putting the plate between the tail lights looks a lot better than interrupting the flow of the bumper.
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Old Jul 22, 2004 | 09:39 AM
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Re: heh

Originally posted by 67 Camaro 88
Reminds me of a Pontiac Fiero and I agree ,looks stupid.:lala:

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Old Jul 22, 2004 | 09:46 AM
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It also reminds me of a '74-77 Camaro rear
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Old Jul 22, 2004 | 10:12 AM
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Both examples look completely retarded, I'm sorry.
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Old Jul 22, 2004 | 11:33 AM
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I'm having a difficult time figuring out why it looks "stupid" or "retarded" when firebirds, factory, came with the same idea. Bumper broken up by the liscence plate and the center is filled in with a plate contoured to the tail lights. Even both 4th gens came that way. The idea itself can't be that bad it it wouldn't have been continued into 4th gens.

Maybe the follow through w/ the idea in the pics could be improved. I did a lot of photoshops of my car and that one looked to best to me... without the amber lights. Ideas on making it look less "stupid" or "retarded" and keeping the idea of the bumper having the plate in mind?


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Old Jul 22, 2004 | 12:13 PM
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Originally posted by 67 Camaro 88
I'm having a difficult time figuring out why it looks "stupid" or "retarded" when firebirds, factory, came with the same idea. Bumper broken up by the liscence plate and the center is filled in with a plate contoured to the tail lights. Even both 4th gens came that way. The idea itself can't be that bad it it wouldn't have been continued into 4th gens.

Maybe the follow through w/ the idea in the pics could be improved. I did a lot of photoshops of my car and that one looked to best to me... without the amber lights. Ideas on making it look less "stupid" or "retarded" and keeping the idea of the bumper having the plate in mind?


-Bud
It is because some of these people do not accept change, its not meant to be that way because it was not made that way" is the impression I get. Personally I like the looks of the lower license plate on the Camaro, Done correctly it works very well I am assuming that the red car is yours, 67 Camaro 88, and I really think you pulled it off well. That hideous POS on the purple IROC demands some critisizm, just becausxe it looed like the person who did the conversion, took a whole evening to get it made. Although I like my mods I did to it.

I am not trying to flame anyone, but we have to keep in mind that we all have different tastes, but for some reason when it does not agree with what we like then we slam on it. Heck, I have done it, but more recently I want to help people not discourage them, I find it is more productive.

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Old Jul 22, 2004 | 02:29 PM
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Originally posted by 67 Camaro 88
I'm having a difficult time figuring out why it looks "stupid" or "retarded" when firebirds, factory, came with the same idea
Very simple. One was designed by a team of artists with a ton of consumer input. The other was designed by some guy in his garage.

The firebird was designed with this in the first place. The tail light design takes advantage of the additional space, and it's done right. These hatchet jobs shown above just replace the plate with a giant flat spot that looks like an afterthought. Of course, that's because that's what it is. It's the same reason I hate ZR1 tail lights on a camaro. Done well or not, if you can still see the original tail light area, it screams "afterthought". I have a C4 with the rectangular tail lights, so I'm quite fond of them. The difference is, the entire rear bumper design takes advantage of the fact that it doesn't need to have a big flat spot for the tail lights. The camaro has a big flat area, with a clearly defined tail light location. To simply put a filler panel in that and stuff a couple corvette lamps in that flat panel screams "LAME". Unique, sure. But it doesn't fit the flow of the car, and it's painfully obvious that the car's design was intended for different lights. THAT's why I don't like it. I like changes, but they need to be done tastefully in a manner that compliments the style of the car, not contridicts it.

It has nothing to do with me being a stock ****. True, I am a stock ****, but I also like mods as well as the next guy, but 99% of the mods I see are cheap, poorly thought out add-ons that integrate into the car's overall design about as well as a big yellow NAPA hat on the roof. I'd have to say these tail light mods fit that mold.

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Old Jul 22, 2004 | 05:56 PM
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Had the Camaro's tail lights been slimmer length-wise and in height coupled with having a similar filler panel as does the Firebird-T/A(with CAMARO in it)then it may have looked good.It looks good on Firebirds-T/As only,as intended to by the "factory".

...but then too many people mistaken Camaros as Firebirds as it is.
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Old Jul 22, 2004 | 08:07 PM
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if i decide to do this mod. i will prob do something simaler to a trans am and have it say iroc

i wont butcher it. if i cant make it look stock ill scrap the idea. thats just how i am.

since my car got hit last night ill have some extra cash and be fixing all my body so i might take a stab at it. we shall see what develops
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Old Jul 22, 2004 | 10:18 PM
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Originally posted by Jim85IROC
Very simple. One was designed by a team of artists with a ton of consumer input. The other was designed by some guy in his garage.

The firebird was designed with this in the first place. The tail light design takes advantage of the additional space, and it's done right. These hatchet jobs shown above just replace the plate with a giant flat spot that looks like an afterthought. Of course, that's because that's what it is. It's the same reason I hate ZR1 tail lights on a camaro. Done well or not, if you can still see the original tail light area, it screams "afterthought". I have a C4 with the rectangular tail lights, so I'm quite fond of them. The difference is, the entire rear bumper design takes advantage of the fact that it doesn't need to have a big flat spot for the tail lights. The camaro has a big flat area, with a clearly defined tail light location. To simply put a filler panel in that and stuff a couple corvette lamps in that flat panel screams "LAME". Unique, sure. But it doesn't fit the flow of the car, and it's painfully obvious that the car's design was intended for different lights. THAT's why I don't like it. I like changes, but they need to be done tastefully in a manner that compliments the style of the car, not contridicts it.

It has nothing to do with me being a stock ****. True, I am a stock ****, but I also like mods as well as the next guy, but 99% of the mods I see are cheap, poorly thought out add-ons that integrate into the car's overall design about as well as a big yellow NAPA hat on the roof. I'd have to say these tail light mods fit that mold.
Now that's a good response. Whether I agree or not (I like my design ), it's thought out and explained. I personally think it looks stock, which is what I am going for. ... and although the plate on my photoshop doesnt look great at all, it'll look better when it's done to the bumper I'm working on I'm sure.


-Bud
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Old Jul 22, 2004 | 10:34 PM
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I've always liked the look of the true iroc cars, but of course they don't need lisence plates. I'm gonna make my camaro look just like the one in that pic. So far all it has in common is that its the right colour though
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Old Jul 23, 2004 | 09:45 AM
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Jim, couldn't have said it better m'self.

Of course I like the location of the license plate, I have two Firebirds for cryin' out loud. It's the space left that I don't like.
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I'm interested to hear more about that Napa hat idea. That sounds really cool.









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