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Old Dec 21, 2005 | 04:12 PM
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not my style, nothing that I would do, but you definately did a good job on it, its tasteful and well done, not hacked and thrown together, definately cool and something you dont see everyday. Get a gas door on it and lower it!
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Old Dec 21, 2005 | 04:55 PM
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Car: 1986 Z28 Camaro Gunmetal Gray with
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thumbs down on that scoop, i dont like it, my opinion of course. my car isnt dropped in the front, but theres a lift in the back

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Old Dec 21, 2005 | 05:20 PM
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Car: 86 Transmaro, yes I'm for real do a
Engine: 383, 4 bolt block, scat crank, PM r
Transmission: t5 NWC and its holding up behind my
Axle/Gears: 9 bolt aussie, 3.73s from yukon gea
flyinglow used a gas door that was made for a 88-9? chevy p/u, it looks pretty trick I think I'ma do that if I figure out how he modded it............what you guys think about the scoop from JCW?
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Old Dec 21, 2005 | 05:26 PM
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Car: 86 Transmaro, yes I'm for real do a
Engine: 383, 4 bolt block, scat crank, PM r
Transmission: t5 NWC and its holding up behind my
Axle/Gears: 9 bolt aussie, 3.73s from yukon gea
look at sc-104 and sc-105 on here http://www.up22.com/scoopw1.htm
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Old Dec 21, 2005 | 07:38 PM
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use the vette, ditch the mach....could spot that mach 1 scoop from a mile away and say it should be on a 69-71 ford GT (torino, mach, ranchero, etc), the vette scoope could look alright on the cheviac.
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Old Dec 21, 2005 | 07:42 PM
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Car: 86 Transmaro, yes I'm for real do a
Engine: 383, 4 bolt block, scat crank, PM r
Transmission: t5 NWC and its holding up behind my
Axle/Gears: 9 bolt aussie, 3.73s from yukon gea
Cheviac!!!!!
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Old Dec 21, 2005 | 08:06 PM
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Car: 1986 Z28 Camaro Gunmetal Gray with
Engine: GM Crate ZZZ HO 350, Edelbrock head
Transmission: Rebuilt 700r4 all TransGo and Beast
Axle/Gears: 10 bolt with 3.73 gears
if you wanna go old school...and add some pontiac to the front of the car...i say shaker hood
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Old Dec 21, 2005 | 08:49 PM
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Car: 1986 IROC Z28
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go with this




here's a link to the ebay auction
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...RK%3AMEWA%3AIT

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Old Dec 21, 2005 | 08:58 PM
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Car: 1986 Z28 Camaro Gunmetal Gray with
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Transmission: Rebuilt 700r4 all TransGo and Beast
Axle/Gears: 10 bolt with 3.73 gears
might as well get the cervini ram air hood

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Old Dec 21, 2005 | 09:11 PM
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It all depends on what you want to spend. You can get the lift off for 225 + a butt load in shipping, the full bolt on for 500 + a butt load of shipping, or you can pay 105 plus 65 for shipping for the scoop and have a little fun doing some body work. If I had the cash I'd by the bolt on hood, but I got too much other stuff to do first.
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Old Dec 21, 2005 | 09:15 PM
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Car: 1986 Z28 Camaro Gunmetal Gray with
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it just seems like the project is almost done and hes already spent a ton on it anyhow. its the final piece.
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Old Dec 21, 2005 | 09:29 PM
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Surely you jest sir ? The last piece? How about a fuel filler door? I'm sure he'll tell you he's far from done. But I would agree. He already spent all the money, why not? But if your like me you like to make custom pieces. I'd rather build my own one off and have guys ask what that is. Just me though. I can do the body work.

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Old Dec 21, 2005 | 10:03 PM
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Car: 86 Transmaro, yes I'm for real do a
Engine: 383, 4 bolt block, scat crank, PM r
Transmission: t5 NWC and its holding up behind my
Axle/Gears: 9 bolt aussie, 3.73s from yukon gea
well being that money is tight........I am leaning towards the vette hood scoop on top of a stock hood painted body color while the scoop is black. Its like 65 bux with shipping from up22.com , and I do the painting myself, i have to find a hood though..... what woud be better is if I found an aluminum or glass factory hood in the KY area. What do you guys think about a flat black hood? Like old school challenger and cuda stuff? Or would it look retarded on a already weird car lol Oh word of advice, NEVER do a burnout on a rebuilt rearends first contact with pavement, you may just compress the crush sleeve like on my 9 bolt
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Old Dec 21, 2005 | 10:13 PM
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I dont know how the flat black hood would look. I would think. It would look pretty good I'd think. Id have to see it though.
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Old Dec 21, 2005 | 10:22 PM
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Car: 86 Transmaro, yes I'm for real do a
Engine: 383, 4 bolt block, scat crank, PM r
Transmission: t5 NWC and its holding up behind my
Axle/Gears: 9 bolt aussie, 3.73s from yukon gea
so many choices.......so little money lol
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Old Dec 22, 2005 | 08:04 AM
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I hear that. I hate when my buddies go, "why didn't you get an msd digital distributor setup?", or "why don't you get a polished intake mani?". Like I have the money? It's not their $4000 dumped into it in 6 months. They think for that much cash I could have done more? Between seals, gasket, and the various nuts and bolts I spent almost a grand! Not to mention the brand new tranny that just went in. When it's not your cash, you can always say that some one should get something.
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Old Dec 22, 2005 | 09:50 AM
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i think the color compliments the lines. if you can pull the tail lights and replace the image with a question mark that would rule. i think a fiberglass stock hood with a 70/s ta shaker hood scoop would kick ***.
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Old Dec 22, 2005 | 06:38 PM
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I saw what you were talking about with the flat balck hood, last night on PINKS. It was on a 69 vette and had a super drag snorkel but look awesome and can definately see your hood that way. Especially if you had the shaker hood since the scoop usually comes black. I would say most any hood with some sort of scoop would look good that way. Of course this is the opinion of a guy who's camaro's paint is gloss black down one side, flat and destroyed on the other with a stock louvered hood that has white primer spots.
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Old Dec 23, 2005 | 06:38 PM
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dont ever paste on a scoop. how tacky! go out and get a REAL hood. dont paste one together. yuck.
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Old Dec 23, 2005 | 08:31 PM
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Car: 86 Transmaro, yes I'm for real do a
Engine: 383, 4 bolt block, scat crank, PM r
Transmission: t5 NWC and its holding up behind my
Axle/Gears: 9 bolt aussie, 3.73s from yukon gea
a real hood is about 450 smackers for the cheap ones, I don't have that right now, I wish to hades I did though, I think I can make the pastie work trust me
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Old Dec 25, 2005 | 02:58 AM
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Originally posted by NuBird
a real hood is about 450 smackers for the cheap ones, I don't have that right now, I wish to hades I did though, I think I can make the pastie work trust me
you can get a used one off the forum for pretty cheap. and if not, just run one from a junkyard and save money till you get enough. its too nice to have a pastie!!!!!!
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Old Dec 25, 2005 | 10:37 AM
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just had this idea pop in to my head. did you think of putting trans am fender vents on the front? people had done it and it looks real cool.
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Old Dec 25, 2005 | 01:45 PM
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Originally posted by NuBird
what do you guys think of this scoop?
Wow, I recognized this right off the bat. It is a 73 plymouth roadrunner hood scoop, I know I used to own one.



As for a hood you might want to consider either a simple low rise cowl or possibly even a cervinis ram air hood. The ram air II hood (ws6 ls1 style) doesn't really compliment the camaro front end. I should know I got one on my car right now. However it came with the car and with a little bit of tasteful exterior modifictions it doesn't look too bad.

Overall though your project looks pretty badass. I would like to see more pics of your beast as it progresses!
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Old Dec 27, 2005 | 01:21 PM
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Car: 86 Transmaro, yes I'm for real do a
Engine: 383, 4 bolt block, scat crank, PM r
Transmission: t5 NWC and its holding up behind my
Axle/Gears: 9 bolt aussie, 3.73s from yukon gea
This car is for sale ya know Maybe even a trade
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Old Dec 28, 2005 | 07:46 PM
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I think the "Transmaro" looks pretty cool! It's another example of good old American ingenuity. If you can make it look like it came from the factory that way, that would be the shizzit.


P.S.: Go with the cowl induction hood, they're my favorites.

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Old Dec 30, 2005 | 09:20 PM
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all i have to say is kentucky, kissing cousins, and inceses( i know it probaly spelled wrong ) but anways looks pretty good. never thought a firebird and camaro would look this good together. ps on the hood you should throw a stock GTA hood on there.
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Old Dec 30, 2005 | 11:21 PM
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Car: 86 Transmaro, yes I'm for real do a
Engine: 383, 4 bolt block, scat crank, PM r
Transmission: t5 NWC and its holding up behind my
Axle/Gears: 9 bolt aussie, 3.73s from yukon gea
can't do the stock GTA......it has to be from a camaro incest is best put your cousin to the test I have some good lookin cousin come to think of it, you might see em on Jerry Springer in a couple weeks, theres Shannon, 4 kids by all different dads working at a low class hooters style restaurant pregnant in skimpy clothes waiting tables, that will bring the best ratings, then there's Stephanie (shannon's sister) That stays so High on painkillers and booze that she forgets to change her babies diaper for a couple days, Oh i can go on and on lol and its all true.... trust me All i have to say about Indiana is that the reson y'all work in KY is so that when you cross the river you can tell what time it is on the colgate clock! Now Hoosier Daddy!? lol (if you like in or around louisville or Jeffersonville you will know what I'm talking about) Gooday everyone I'm getting my hood tommorrow, I'm going to paste the stingray hood scoop on the hood, we are going to have a few days here in the low 60s (to paint)so I may be posting pics of the car with the hood in a couple weeks TransMaro.....coming to a dragstrip near you!!!!
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Old Jan 1, 2006 | 02:12 AM
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I think that the problem everyone is having with the ground effects is really a problem with the camaro vs the firebird front fenders, if you replaced them with firebird fenders I’d bet that everyone would be happy (and it would look better).

As far as the hood, my instinct is grafting a “turbo dome” (early 3rd gen TA, late 2nd gen TA and later 3rd gen formula) scoop to a camaro hood would be sweet…, but that roadrunner scoop could be interesting with some smoothing/massaging to better fit the lines of the car.
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Old Jan 1, 2006 | 06:37 PM
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Very nice car man, although i have never realy liked the third gen birds i realy love the 4th gens, i wonder what a 4th gen camaro nose would look like on a bird lol. About the hood i think an old school square snorkle would look sweet on it (not to legal though).

I agree with what foulballs said, i have speen about 3/4 of a year changing my junkyard 89 2.8 camaro into a v8 car. I could of just droped a stock smallblock in it and had it done in no time. What would be the fun in that. My parents always say i could of just bought a running car for what i have put into mine, maby its just me but i like the satisfaction of knowing i did everything on it myself (alittle help of course).
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Old Jan 1, 2006 | 07:15 PM
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From: Crestwood KY
Car: 86 Transmaro, yes I'm for real do a
Engine: 383, 4 bolt block, scat crank, PM r
Transmission: t5 NWC and its holding up behind my
Axle/Gears: 9 bolt aussie, 3.73s from yukon gea
I hear ya on the 6 to 8 conversion, I've been building a 84 camaro for my nephew, it was a 2.8 now its a TPI 305. we started in the summer and it still isn't done, of course my cheviac takes priority Oh and if I used the Firebird fenders there wouldn't have been much point to this whole project, and for some reason the firebirds always reminded me of a parrot in the front and the camaros rear screamed ...........well I don't know what it screamed but I don't like em so sue me. Actually the car is in the shop right now getting the crush sleeve replaced with a solid pinion spacer, I've been sanding on the hood and i'm waiting on the scoop to come in from up22.com, going to put some engine ID on the sides of the scoop, don't know whether to go with litres liters or CID. Cheviac....Driving excitement is the heartbeat of america....oh will the pun ever end?!?!?! lol
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Old Jan 2, 2006 | 12:44 PM
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Originally posted by NuBird
Oh and if I used the Firebird fenders there wouldn't have been much point to this whole project,
I don't get it, they look exactly the same except the creases in the flaired part are not as distinct/square as the camaro ones... you could probably achieve the same thing by putting a little bondo over the creases and blending them a little. Well and hanging the rocker extension straight...
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Old Jan 2, 2006 | 04:48 PM
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i think firebird fenders would require the firebird hood and lights...would it not?
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Old Jan 2, 2006 | 10:48 PM
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i also hate geezers
What did geezers ever do to you? Raise you, cloth you, feed you and put a roof over head.

BTW I check your profile, "greese monkey" is spelled grease monkey.
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Old Jan 3, 2006 | 12:01 AM
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Nu bird,

I can't remember exactly, but I would go with the 70's style camaro badging to give it the authentic muscle car look. I know in smokey and the bandit the trans am had 6.6 Liter on the side. 91-92 formulas had 5.0 Liter F.I. on the hood. In 69, depending on if you got a straight gm or yenko camaro, you could have 302 or 427 emblems on the hood/cowl. 73-75 you could get 455 decals on the hood of a firebird. I would say historically camaro's have c.i.d. and firebirds/TA's have Liters. Since you have both cars, I would go with " 5.7L / 350 C.I.D " or whatever you have.

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Old Jan 3, 2006 | 03:46 AM
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i think firebird fenders would require the firebird hood and lights...would it not?
No, they're basically the same shape and layout as the camaro ones with softer lines...
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Old Jan 3, 2006 | 03:26 PM
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To really mess with people I'd put some old pontiac rally II's on it and then put a pontiac emblem on camaro nose lol kidding kidding
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Old Jan 3, 2006 | 03:50 PM
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Car: 86 Transmaro, yes I'm for real do a
Engine: 383, 4 bolt block, scat crank, PM r
Transmission: t5 NWC and its holding up behind my
Axle/Gears: 9 bolt aussie, 3.73s from yukon gea
I mean if I used the TA fenders It would still be a TA, the camaro fenders have a more boxy look than the TAs the lines are a little more muscular for the camaro and more of a sleek thing for the TA fenders, the wheel well opening has a different line to it while they will bolt up on any 3rdgenny thats all they have in common, the lines are totally different, then I woul have to use a hood off of a TA because of the headlights. Then I couldn't call it a transmaro, or cheviac lol
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Old Jan 4, 2006 | 01:01 PM
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i think the camaros fenders look good they are boxy as you say and so is the *** end of a trans am compared to a camaro. look at the rear quarter angles and you'll see what I'm talking about.
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Old Jan 4, 2006 | 08:24 PM
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Looks cool, I know a kid thats going to do the same thing to his car, i'll prolly help. Hey man you could confuse some people that it is the only year the T/A came with the camaro front clip. Tell it is some super special extremely rare model.

The 5.3 is a 324 ci engine. I'm glad that crazy monkey left such a good impression on teens. I'm rather upset that some people just hate teens because one is thoughtless, Thats the same as saying i hate old people cause one said something stupid. I'm really upset about that comment, and the one saying they hate geezers. The only knowledge people have about anything is because previous generations have found it out.Crazymonkey again your comment was ignorant, un-needed and thoughtless. Didn't your mom ever tell you that if you have nothing nice to say don't say anything at all. Sorry to rant but the generations battle is getting old, no pun intended.
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Old Jan 7, 2006 | 06:08 PM
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Car: 86 Transmaro, yes I'm for real do a
Engine: 383, 4 bolt block, scat crank, PM r
Transmission: t5 NWC and its holding up behind my
Axle/Gears: 9 bolt aussie, 3.73s from yukon gea
I just got through taking my 472 cadillac engine apart, Im gonna stick it in my 67 rambler That crank weighs a FRIGGIN ton
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Old Jan 8, 2006 | 01:45 PM
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you'd be suprised, that engine doesn't weigh that much more then an SBC. Some of this should look familiar, big caddy going in a '67 lemans... painted pontiac blue most people can't even figure out what's wrong under the hood now that it's done:
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Old Jan 8, 2006 | 02:19 PM
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Awsome car camaro's definatly look better with trans am tailights i think camaro tail lights are kinda ugly the way the come out the sides. I think a transmaro would look much better if the fenders were the same shape. like "squary" fenders for a camaro or trans am "rounded" fenders on both front and back. Probably lots of work but well worth it.
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Old Jan 8, 2006 | 03:17 PM
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Car: 86 Firebird, 2002 Monte Carlo, 91 v
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you already said you didn't care about negative criticism so who cares anyway. Not trying to pick a fight. Did a good job at it, but it cheapens both the firebird and camaro
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Old Jan 8, 2006 | 06:24 PM
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Car: 86 Transmaro, yes I'm for real do a
Engine: 383, 4 bolt block, scat crank, PM r
Transmission: t5 NWC and its holding up behind my
Axle/Gears: 9 bolt aussie, 3.73s from yukon gea
cheapens? lol what more can you do to a car who's reputation is already associated with the likes of Joe Dirt.....sad but true
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Old Jan 8, 2006 | 07:59 PM
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Originally posted by NuBird
cheapens? lol what more can you do to a car who's reputation is already associated with the likes of Joe Dirt.....sad but true
Hey its not the cars fault.
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Old Jan 9, 2006 | 09:12 AM
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hey man...looks graet...any updates? i think an SS hood would look pretty sweet on that thing
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Old Jan 9, 2006 | 05:25 PM
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From: Crestwood KY
Car: 86 Transmaro, yes I'm for real do a
Engine: 383, 4 bolt block, scat crank, PM r
Transmission: t5 NWC and its holding up behind my
Axle/Gears: 9 bolt aussie, 3.73s from yukon gea
yeah I know its not the car's fault, maybe we can get it out of that gutter, and an update with the hood, I have another week for my scoop to come in so until then I'm wiring up my interior, almost done now I don't have to stop the car and get out my VOM just to turn on the fans
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Old Jan 12, 2006 | 10:51 AM
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Car: 1982 MSE, 1988 S10 Blazer
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Transmission: 200c / Th700r4
Axle/Gears: 3:73 / 3.42
I think now you should get one of those fiberglass bolt-on mini beds that takes place of the back hatch. Then you could have a TransCamino.
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Old Jan 12, 2006 | 04:44 PM
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Transmission: Rebuilt 700r4 all TransGo and Beast
Axle/Gears: 10 bolt with 3.73 gears
except if he changed the back, why would he keep part of the name from the trans am and not the camaro? speaking of which, whose seen the iroc ss?

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Old Jan 12, 2006 | 05:59 PM
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well, that's just about one of the most hideous things i've ever seen before...thanks for sharing.
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