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Old Mar 4, 2006 | 03:31 PM
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Power windows problem

Hello all,

Here is what happens, only on the driver door.

Door open, the window goes up or down without any problem and at a really good speed.

Door closed, most of the time, the window stops to go up or go down at mid-height (between the door and t-tops I mean).

If I hit the door where the window motor is, sometimes the window finish to go up or down.

Just for your information, the window guides are greased and not damaged, the motor is not bad (in that case, my problem would happen whether the door is open or closed, which is not the case).
I even checked the rivets and changed one because I thought a play in one of them could cause a bad ground.
My power windows buttons are new.

So what do you think could be the cause of this problem ??

Thanks !!
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Old Mar 4, 2006 | 03:46 PM
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From: baldwin city, ks
Car: 84 454 monte, 89 formula, 86 camaro
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I have found broken wires inside insulation(they look ok)but by pulling on each wire where it goes between the door and the body the bad ones will come apart. with the door open they will make good contact, but closed it pulls the strands apart for a poor or no connection.

that's A possibility

another is that even though it goes up and down with door open, if you add a slight amount of resistance, (such as door closed) then the internal circut breaker of the window motor can trip and take a few seconds before it resets, then the window finishes going up.

also, could be a bad connection where the wiring harness connects to the motor.
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Old Mar 4, 2006 | 05:48 PM
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I have thought about the damaged wires too but I've come to this conclusion : if the wires were really damaged in the insulation between the door and body, how can the window starts to go up or down and then stops ??

If the wires were damaged and can create a bad contact door closed, my action on the button would be useless because no electricity would be brought to the window motor, preventing it from working at all, don't you think ??

Speaking about resistance, I've been also told it could be a cause.
How about the black upper door trim ?? Can it cause this slight amount of resistance I don't get with the door open ??
Does this trim is in contact with the body of the car door closed ??
If yes, so it can take a slight pressure and then creates some resistance, isn't it ??
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Old Mar 4, 2006 | 10:33 PM
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How do you know the motor is not bad...did you replace it recently? It could be your motor is going out. If you hit the panel in relation to the motor it could be going bad. I have to keep some pliers in my car because my motor is going out. I keep the door panel off right now so If it gets stuck I have to hit the motor a few times for it to work.
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Old Mar 5, 2006 | 04:47 AM
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I assume the motor is still very good because I've never had a problem with it when the door is open.
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Old Mar 5, 2006 | 11:06 AM
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Originally posted by 82TransAM84
I have thought about the damaged wires too but I've come to this conclusion : if the wires were really damaged in the insulation between the door and body, how can the window starts to go up or down and then stops ??


because of the small amount of wire actually touching or the strand or 2 that aren't yet broken is trying to carry the entire load -- like trying to run a fire hydrant's worth of water through a garden hose, the resistance skyrockets...

If the wires were damaged and can create a bad contact door closed, my action on the button would be useless because no electricity would be brought to the window motor, preventing it from working at all, don't you think ??

same as above

Speaking about resistance, I've been also told it could be a cause.
How about the black upper door trim ?? Can it cause this slight amount of resistance I don't get with the door open ??
Does this trim is in contact with the body of the car door closed ??
If yes, so it can take a slight pressure and then creates some resistance, isn't it ??
yes
and also don't forget the movement of the door closing or opening can wiggle a connector or a terminal even inside a motor or a wire, ect...

I would pull the door panel and get to wiggling and checking connections.
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Old Mar 5, 2006 | 01:33 PM
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Ok, I don't want to say my problem is gone but I've tried to give some play to the window.

I've just unbolted the 2 side guides under the upper door trim.

I tried (with the trim on the door, and door closed) to roll up and down the window and it worked without a problem.

So I'll have to see what will happen next time I'll take my car for a drive.

Anyway, thanks a lot for your help guys !!
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Old Mar 5, 2006 | 07:16 PM
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What about the triangle seal by the mirror.If its a little loose or just plain moves in(towards glass)when you close the door.It could push against the glass enough to stop it & move away when open.Also the glass shouldnt contact/rub too much against the weather stripping until near the top 2/3.If the glass contacts the seal in the middle part in will push into the rubber excessively the farther up it goes.Since the window travels up in a arch, not a straight line.
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Old Mar 8, 2006 | 06:33 PM
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Originally posted by 82TransAM84
Ok, I don't want to say my problem is gone but I've tried to give some play to the window.

I've just unbolted the 2 side guides under the upper door trim.

I tried (with the trim on the door, and door closed) to roll up and down the window and it worked without a problem.

So I'll have to see what will happen next time I'll take my car for a drive.

Anyway, thanks a lot for your help guys !!

the thing is--- if the window motor quits working when you introdouce resistance to the movement, then the motor needs to be replaced because it is tripping the internal circut breaker. and the only repair for that is replacement because the circut breaker is not avialable seperately.
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Old Mar 8, 2006 | 06:58 PM
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84 1LE, you're right, it could be a good idea to check it too. That's one thing I didn't do.

Greggbruce, I could be wrong but I don't think the motor is bad.

Like I said, I gave more play to the window and comparing with the right window, I can say it was really too tight before.

I think my side guides were tightened just enough to allow my driver window to roll up or down with the door open, but it was far too tight when some resistance was added by the upper door trim with the door closed.

I still tried yesterday to see how it worked door closed, I rolled the window up and down almost 10 or 12 times and it worked perfectly.
Before, it would have stopped at the first try...

So I'll see but for now, I will let it like that and see if the problem happens again in the next weeks.

I will let you know if the problem comes back again.

Thanks a lot !!
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