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Old Sep 12, 2006 | 11:12 PM
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door pin won't come off, SOS!

Seriously. I tried to pull one off for like two or three hours and i couldn't get it off, the whole time i was trying, i thought of how this message would go, (message to you nice guys out there :P) and it might not be easy to understand... but yeah.

sofar, of course i've got the hop hinge off, and the door is being held up (by a milk crate, and some towels), but now the pin won't come out as the bottom of the pin seems to have a bracket or something stuck onto it..

the pin kinda looks like this...

*====
**[|]
__| |________________
__| |________________
**[|] <---- as you can see, i can't slide the pin out and away
**| |
** V
__ _________________
__ _________________

***** the *' are just there to fix the auto formatting, they are not a part of the diagram, ignore them plz :P *****


the __'s, indicate the hinges.. the top bracket, or [|] is now removed, as it had a cut in it, so i just pried it off with a screwdriver, and slid it up... also, the bottom bracket [|] seemed to slide right through the bottom part of the hinge no problem... but this one is solid, and tough as hell.

that's a terrible diagram, but if you guys can visualize the problem i'm having, even slightly, it helps, i guess.. heh.

The bottom [|] is tuck... i've tried to hammer it downwards with a little hammer, big hammer, then a HUGE hammer, and ruined a screwdriver (using it as a chisel) trying to press it downwards so that i could pull the pin upand out.. but no go...


do i have to cut the pin off? i really don't know what i'd use to cut it, or the tools that could get in there, how do you guys get it? do you even worry about that bottom bracket? is this an issue for you?
and... there isn't any clips or anything that is supporting it... it's completely smooth above and below...
it's really hard to get a light in there, and damn dirty so i can't really tell if it's a piece of the pin, or not.

it also seems like it's slid down a little, but that could be a result from me trying to hammer it downwards, heh..

Thanks for any help

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Old Sep 12, 2006 | 11:39 PM
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Sounds like you have that locking collar out of the way, you just need to get something long enough to reach the bottom of the pin and hit that end with the hammer. The top flat part is pressed into the hinge bracket so it's not going to be coming down and out. Took me a while to get that stupid locking collar out of the way grr kept spinning around.
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Old Sep 12, 2006 | 11:45 PM
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Not to state the obviouse but did you try using a big flat blade and prying upwards on the head of the pin? Also are you sure all the weight is off the hinge?
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Old Sep 13, 2006 | 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by EvilCartman
Sounds like you have that locking collar out of the way, you just need to get something long enough to reach the bottom of the pin and hit that end with the hammer. The top flat part is pressed into the hinge bracket so it's not going to be coming down and out. Took me a while to get that stupid locking collar out of the way grr kept spinning around.
Hey...

Well see... eh, i've only got about two inches of lee-way, i've tried hammering the bottom of the pin upwards. does that collar come off? or should it slid right through?

So you guys slide em up and out, and the bottom collar comes right off?
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Old Sep 13, 2006 | 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by crazycrocket
Not to state the obviouse but did you try using a big flat blade and prying upwards on the head of the pin? Also are you sure all the weight is off the hinge?
Yep, i tried to pry it, but there's really nothing else i can get leverage on to try pry it anymore, after it came off the bottom half of the bottom hinge. And yes, the weight is right off the pin, if i don't hold it up; it will slide right back down again.
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Old Sep 13, 2006 | 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by EvilCartman
Sounds like you have that locking collar out of the way, you just need to get something long enough to reach the bottom of the pin and hit that end with the hammer....
Something like this?

Top-DownSolutions.com



If you have GFX under your door you have to use it at an angle, but it is still a lot easier than not having the tool. There is a large dimple that captures the end of the pin so it won't slip off while your pounding it out with a hammer.

Before I found out about such a tool I'd sometimes cut a slot in the pin with an air-operated die grinder.Then I'd use a hammer and large screwdriver in that slot to drive it out. I also have had success with cutting the pin completely in half and driving out the individual pieces. The tool is the easiest of the 3 methods I've mentioned.

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Old Sep 13, 2006 | 03:03 PM
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I guess i'll just keep on hammering... sigh, heh
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Old Apr 8, 2007 | 04:34 PM
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Re: door pin won't come off, SOS!

So i got it off. I just hammered the hell out of it and broke the washer in half.. haha.
the pins i got off ebay came with 4 washers. two thicker ones, and two thinner ones.. does anyone know how they fit in?
I couldn't get either washer in the top part of the bottom hinge. i'm assuming the thin / thick ones are only if some don't fit for some reason? i tried searching for a guide of some sort, but couldn't find anything.. any help much appreciated.
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Old Apr 8, 2007 | 04:47 PM
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Re: door pin won't come off, SOS!

Post a picture of the kit you bought on eBay. I hope you're referring to the bushings when you say "washers". Did that kit include upper and lower pins and bushings? Was the seller from Canada? If so I have some bad news. Also, it's taken you 7 Months to replace the door hinge pins and bushings?

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Old Apr 8, 2007 | 04:55 PM
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Re: door pin won't come off, SOS!

Try this if all else fails.

http://www.chevyhiperformance.com/te...aro/index.html
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Old Apr 11, 2007 | 02:34 PM
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Re: door pin won't come off, SOS!

Yeah, sorry.. I meant bushings.


Anyways, the pins i got were just the lower pins..


Anyone know where i can get the upper pins and bushings?

And thanks iron duke.. just what i was looking for.. haha.
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Old Apr 11, 2007 | 02:42 PM
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Re: door pin won't come off, SOS!

interesting read, I have to do this in the spring....pricey as hell for a few pins and bushings
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Old Apr 11, 2007 | 05:53 PM
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Re: door pin won't come off, SOS!

Originally Posted by Red|ine
Yeah, sorry.. I meant bushings.


Anyways, the pins i got were just the lower pins..


Anyone know where i can get the upper pins and bushings?

And thanks iron duke.. just what i was looking for.. haha.
LONSAL (Lon) the mod who posted above sells them, his business is called TDS.
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Old Apr 11, 2007 | 06:40 PM
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Re: door pin won't come off, SOS!

The olive-colored bushings in the left side of the picture are the oversized bushings. The other more copper or bronze colored bushings I presume are the standard bushings. I only supply the oversized bushings with my kit since the majority of the time the holes in the hinges have worn too far to use standard sized bushings.

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Old Apr 11, 2007 | 08:10 PM
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Re: door pin won't come off, SOS!

I just removed the doors from my 74 Nova this afternoon and I found something that takes the pins out in a hurry - by accident of course

I had my air chisel out cutting off some sheet metal. It was sittign right by me as I struggled with the hammer and metal drift. I picked up the air chisel with the "V" metal cutting end and put it at base of the head of the pin. Pulled the trigger and it popped the pin head up and I just kept it under the head and drove it right out - less than a minute a pin. Lifted the door off and was done. Pretty happy with this process - I thought I would be pounding for 30 minutes a side.

You can also place the same tool on the bottom of the pin and drive it up from the bottom until the top is out further. I do have a round bit also that would work good from the bottom. Kind of nice because you don't need all that room to swing a hammer.

This drove the pins right out through the old bushings and broke loose all the old rust, etc. These were original pins from 1974, so with a hammer and drift it would have took a while. I did use some PB spray.

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Old Apr 12, 2007 | 07:16 AM
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Re: door pin won't come off, SOS!

Originally Posted by lonsal
Also, it's taken you 7 Months to replace the door hinge pins and bushings?

Lon
haha.. yeah, it took a while. I posted this in the fall, and then it started getting pretty cold outside (though my car is in a garage, but not heated) so i didn't bother with going out there...
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Old Apr 23, 2007 | 10:52 AM
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Re: door pin won't come off, SOS!

so here i am at it again, figured i'd put the pins in and get this damn door back on.. haha.
so i start putting the bushings on, and realize that the top pin hole isn't big enough to fit even the smaller bushing.. so i figure ill just put the bushing on the pin, and hammer it through.. well, first one i mashed it on, and destroyed the bushing. second time.. now it's all chewed up.
how is it that the top hole won't even fit these standard bushings?
am i incorrect by putting the DOOR on the hinges like this
[I
the part connected to the door ([) goes on the exterior of the bracket on the car, on both sides, as opposed to the I being larger, if you know what i mean?



they're bronze bushings, so they should be soft.. but.. GRR........... this is the most frustrating thing ever.
Are these just really low quality bushings? should i have some tougher ones machined, or maybe try toss the pin in without a top bushing?
what about those olive coloured bushings.. i'll assume they're not any tougher, are they?

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Old Apr 26, 2007 | 10:24 PM
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Re: door pin won't come off, SOS!

Im gonna be doing this at some point, so Im curious.
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Old Apr 26, 2007 | 10:49 PM
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Re: door pin won't come off, SOS!

Originally Posted by Red|ine
so here i am at it again, figured i'd put the pins in and get this damn door back on.. haha.
so i start putting the bushings on, and realize that the top pin hole isn't big enough to fit even the smaller bushing.. so i figure ill just put the bushing on the pin, and hammer it through.. well, first one i mashed it on, and destroyed the bushing. second time.. now it's all chewed up.
how is it that the top hole won't even fit these standard bushings?
am i incorrect by putting the DOOR on the hinges like this
[I
the part connected to the door ([) goes on the exterior of the bracket on the car, on both sides, as opposed to the I being larger, if you know what i mean?



they're bronze bushings, so they should be soft.. but.. GRR........... this is the most frustrating thing ever.
Are these just really low quality bushings? should i have some tougher ones machined, or maybe try toss the pin in without a top bushing?
what about those olive coloured bushings.. i'll assume they're not any tougher, are they?
Dude, I have replaced several pins and bushings in my spare time and I am an amateur, you might consider taking it to a pro, PLEASE
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