i am wanting my 91 bird to look like a 91 formula. ive got the wheels and will be picking up a hatch and hood and nose. i want to take my ground effects off, but would i have to get a different rear bumper or if i left it on would it look goofy?

 

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alright, anyone have a bumper in wisconsinm or should i just leave the ground effects on it, then it would look like a trans am right minus the hood and wheels?

 

I did the same thing left the 91 ground effects on put a formula hood and spoiler on and polished the wheels

could not be happier

 

that looks very nice, do you have any bigger pics of it? thanks

 

If you do decide to take off the gfxs your going to have to fill all the holes were the gfxs mount up the doors,qarters,fenders.

 

I agree with jamon8 &90t/agta, leave the gfx alone.

 

yeah i figured thats what im going to do. but i need to get the gfx that goes on the front fender and nose, my car was missing them when i bought it, anyone have these?

 

Check the classifieds i think theres were about 3 91-92 birds getting parted out

 

alright, with the 91 formula nose im getting, how do i go bout the fog lights and stuff, do i have to get all different ones, or do i just take the fog lights out and leave the blinkers in. thanks and sorry bout all the dumb questions

 

i think the 91-92 trans am graphics look bad. you should go with your original plan to take all the ground effects off, even if it means buying a new bumper. thats just my opinion. sorry i dont have any tech related advice

 

I like the formulas to but the amount of work you have to do on the body panels your better off just leaving the gfxs i never really liked the 91-92 T/A's but when you see them in person it grows on you im in progess now of converting my 90 gta to 91-92 body

 

with the formula nose. what do i do about he fog lights though.

 

If you're using a formula nose,you won't be needing the front fender gfx.Formulas didn't use them,so the nose doesn't have the areas that dip down on each side like you're current one does thats if it is the original 91 nose.as far as your foglights?,you will need to leave the original inner bumper in place,because the parking&foglights are mounted to that.On the formula nose I believe that you just need to remove the black grill pieces that surround the parking/turn sig. lights

 

oh so i cant put them gfx's on then. its alright i dont realy like the looks of the front one. and as far as the lights, cant i just take the fogs out and it would be fine then right?

 

[QUOTE=Pontiackid;3184663]oh so i cant put them gfx's on then. its alright i dont realy like the looks of the front one. and as far as the lights, cant i just take the fogs out and it would be fine then right?[/QUOTE no, you can't put them gfx's on.and as far as the lights,after thinking about it a min.i believe the formulas came with foglights,so you should be good to go in that dept.let us know how ya make out

 

ok, i will be working on it soon. but another thing, isnt that light a directional in the front, or is it a fog light on the formulas? id think it would be a directional but i could be wrong.

 

this is why i love the auto hobbie... your gonna make a clone... but why make it look like everyone elses? if you like the ground effects then keep em... if you dont like em ditch em... if your gonna keep the ground effects get a t/a bumper and not a formula bumper and just put the hood and wheels on it... or if i were you sell the formula wheels buy a nice set of chrome wheels then sell your current wheels... youd be in about the same money but you would stand out more...

i just got an idea for a 91-92 car with ground effects and a formula hood... put on the formula hood then airbrush some flames on just the effects and the scoop on the hood....


just my but like i said the cool thing abotu the automotive hobby is you can do whatever you want and think is cool....

 

yeah, well i just dont like how the front ground effects piece is on the front bumper, but i do like the sides. i am just going to keep them on with no fronts, it may look like its a chopped car, but i just dont like the fronts. i got my formula hood and wing on. looks good and exspecially with my stock 15's thats i stripped down and polished

 

Even just bumping up to the Formula wheels makes a huge difference. With ground effects I didn't like the look of my car with the stock 15" wheels, but when I put the 16"s on...made it look much much better. I say leave the ground effects.
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The wheels make a huge difference and the ground effects give it a sleeker look. If you do decide to get rid of the bumper and go formula, i'd gladly take that bumper off your hands.

 

well the reason for me getting a nose is that my car was in accident, and the nose was completly crimpled, but it popped out but it still has a crease in it on the side by the drivers fender, and it is cracked by the fogs on teh drivers side, but i formed it back together. i found the formula nose so i am going to buy it cause its in good shape and hard to find. but either way im putting the formula nose on. isnt there any way i can put the gfx's on teh formula nose? i like the gfx's and formula's but id rather just kind of keep them on cause there isnt many around by me, so only if these can somehow work on the nose. do you think my car looks incomplete/bad with teh front missing? https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/mid-...ght=pontiackid

 

are you leaving the front fenders gfx off?

 

well its starting to look alot better, i have some 4th gen seats in now, and im stripping and polishing my stock 15's even though im getting formula wheels, so i might sell these. im thinking im just going to leave the front gfx's off cause they wont work on my formula nose im getting. also i managed to get the whole hatch ( wing and glass) and the formula hood for 200. still got alot left on it though, what do you think?

 

the seats and stuff. also i have the black rims on lol because im still finishing two of the rims yet.

 

nothing to do with "body" just my opinion...but I like the black wheels better than the factory 15"s. Maybe some with less backspace than the ones you have on there now. I really like your car from the drivers side (looks alot like mine!!) except for the long nose. I like the formula wheels but everybody wants to make thier "firebird se" a "formula" so I just do what I like and its worked out good so far. Like the other guy said do your car how YOU want it

 

looks good so far but you need to start ajusting your front body panels.

 

well it was in an accident so i still need to get my headlights and fenders adjusted right. i still yet to have to put my formula nose on it cause this one is all warped.

 

very exciting, please post a lot of pics when its all painted. i love 91 formulas!

 

thanks, you have a very nice car yourself. im going to put some 16" formula wheels on it that i am getting, or should i keep my stock 15 polished ones one? or just sell the 15's?

 

Keep in mind that when you take the ground effects off, you'll need to fill in their bolt holes.

 

yeah well im just going to leave them on probably. i am getting a formula nose. so i cant put front gfx's on but it doesnt even have the now, so i dont know what to do i guess just leave it.

 

Nope, i've installed them. I also thought about doing the formula look but, I like the ground effects. Although they are very fragile and you really have to be careful when parking or pulling up to places because if you pull up too far, say goodbye to them. Not easy to find either.

 

aahhh that sucks...i really dislike the ground effects. what was the whole point in this then? the car will just look weird with a formula nose and trans am gfx

 

i want to do it, its just i am going to have to fill in holes in the fenders which i guess isnt that bad. but what else?

 

If you are going to paint the car then you should just fill all the holes and make it a formula.

 

Take off the ground effects. As rwdtech said, the formula nose with the gfx doesn't look very good.

 

well its getting painted, so i am just gunna do that.

 

well i got the passenger side door one off. how do i go about that metal bracket that was on there. its like spot welded onto the body. do i just cut/grind it off or what. its looking alot better already. the holes wont be so bad to fill in after looking at them.

 

what would you guys reccoment to fill in the little holes with. like body filler/bondo? i still have to get these brackets off, but it looks like a formula now. i still have to get my bumpers on though

 

do you have access to a welder? how small are the holes?

 

yeah i have access to a nice miller one. and i know how to weld but can have someone help me. the holes are about a 1/2 inch maybe less.

 

someone needs to chime in because ive never done something like this. i cant wait to see it finished

 

yeah i dont really know what would be best to use. plus i dont think many people have done these conversions. i also have to get these side metal brackets off that are spot welded on. im planning by june to get it painted, but we'll see. ill post pictures of the progress though

 

i used body filler on my holes with a small piece of something called ty-patch. its made by dupont.one side is sticky &the othr is like fiberglass sheeting.i had to indent the area around it to make agood area for the filler to stick.take a 10 mm. socket stick it in the hole & give it a good whack with a hammer then grind all the paint off the area as far as the brackets go,you will have to cut/grind them off.

 

sounds good, so u just hit it to like indent the body then used body filler correct? i would work on it now, but its so cold i am going to hold off til it gets warmer. do you have any pics of your car?

 

yes, i indented the area &used body filler sorry about not explaining my procedure let me explain now.i used a 10mm 3/8 drive socket that was tapered at the tip i stuck the tapered end in the hole&tapped the sockets other end with a hammer.i used the ty-patch on the opposite side of the holes 2 keep the filler from continuously blobbing through&not plugging anything. i do have pics but haven't figured out how 2 post them

 

for the metal brackets on the side just drill out the spot welds and then fill the holes with welds know for the gfx holes i heard of people put a peace of copper on the other side and just filling it with welds thats what i plan on doing when i get to that in the spring.

 

i would rather weld instead of body filler, i dont want it to start to break apart after a year or more. thanks guys

 

THESE ARE THE PICS I HAVE FOR THE MOMENT

 

why dont you just cut out little circles of metal and weld them in, then grind it all down and then go over it with a little bit of body filler. you may not be able to totally avoid body filler....if you really dont want to, then try looking at junkyards for 3rd gen doors without gfx