stelios_z28

i am having a little problem here in greece.people here doesn't know much for american cars.i took my car for the E.P.A check and they told there that except the vin number under the windshield...you konow infront of the driver side...the car must also have the vin number somewhere on the chassis!please tell me guys..is that right??does the 1982-1992 f-body has somewhere else a vin number on the chassis except the vin number little plate in front of the driver's side under the windshield?????please urgent help!!!it was a joke when they told me at the E.P.A office that maybe my car is stolen...only if they much the vin number under the the windshield with the vin number on the chassis is ok!!!

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iTrader: (14)

there is a vin# on the end of the driver door on the stickers. does that count.

stelios_z28

no sticker!they want..how can i tell this..a number press on the chassis!!on metal part!!does third gen f-bodies have anywere else vin number on the chassis??i don't meen sticker.i meen press vin on a metal place.press or sculpted!

1320_Guy

iTrader: (3)

I know there is alot of vin stickers. Dont know if there is any stamped in the body.

Stephen

iTrader: (12)

Yeah, to my knowledhge, thhe only sources of the VIN # are that stamped tag, the engine, the tranny, and stickers on the body.

I'm afraid to say...you might hafta provide them GM proof that there is NO OTHER stamps of the VIN anywhere else on a 3rd gen.

I'd also ask THEM to provide a law saying it has to be stamped elswhere, on a car that never had it from the factory.

Of course, you might have to go through the trouble of doing this the first time, then the next time around, you'll have the documents from this year, to show them, and avoid this hassle.

Good luck! Let us know how it turns out.

shades69x

There might be a vin # uder the hood ....
correction : on the underside of the hood....

stelios_z28

ok thanks guys!i'll do that!i'll let you know what happens!i'll go tomorrow to the cadillac-corvette hellas that we have here to ask for that proof!

Stephen

iTrader: (12)

My GTAs have one...a sticker. Like I said, I know of no other metal VINs other than the engine, tranny, and windshield tag.

MajorPayne

Usually the VIn numberunder the windsheidl is not accepted as a legal forms of identification. That iswhy in most european countries the VIN is also stamped into the frame when the car is imported. This is done by a government funded organisation (at least here in the netherlands). The exact VIN location on the chassis is on your car papers!

So either your car is just imported from the usa, then you need the bill of sales and the title + the VIN under the windshield, and let the appropriate autoroties put the vin in the chassis.

Or the car is bought from a EU country, then it should have a vin on the chassis and the location is on your paperwork. A usual location is on the drivers side subframe, engine side. You may have to clean or sand the frame to notice it. If you do not have the paperwork you can probably ask for an identicication on the car, or provide it yourself: pretty much every model year can be identified by body/engine/transmission and interior style.

If all else fails just ask someone if they now someone who has the corrrect size numbers, so you can stamp the VIN on the chassis yourself.

Tell me, did you import the car from the USA, buy it in greece, or did you buy it somewhere in europe. That maybe usefull information!

MajorPayne

Reading you post again, I think they are looking for the cowl tag, and not the extra VIN in the chassis which is obligated in parts of europe... I don't know it any thirdgens have a cowl tag like the 1960 and 1970 cars do. Anyone??


There must be an RPO (regualr production options) sheet somewhere in you glovebox. But this is just a sticker.

camaro430sut

iTrader: (2)

I believe early 82-84? thirdgens had a tag much like a cowl tag located on the radiator support. Take a look there, im not sure if a partial vin or the whole thin, or anything is there but take a look.
Matt

Stephen

iTrader: (12)

Are you referring to this? It's the only thing stamped under my hood anywhere, abd other than the fact I have a V8, the #s don't even come close to coincide with the build sequence # in my VIN. I do have (what's left) the sticker I was referring to, on the bottom of my hood. The first half is gone, but I can read the end, showing the build sequence #.

camaro430sut

iTrader: (2)

Nope thats not the one, Your car being an 87 I dont think itll have this tag. Ive only seen them on early cars. Look on your rad support, kinda near the middle, all cars have the indent for this tag but only the early ones actually had it. Ill see if i can find a pic.
Matt

Import Killer

I went and pulled my repair manual to find the vin locations, there are a few you can try
1. there may be a plate on the upper radiator support near the middle
2. there should be one on the just below the right side cylinder head next to the timing cover
3. there should also be one on the right side of your transmission towards the front and above the pan for automatic and about the same place on a manual

I hope this helps you and good luck with them

Stephen

iTrader: (12)

Nope. That was the only thing even REMOTELY close on my rad support It was just to the left of center, by the radiator car a passenger side headlight.

Stephen

iTrader: (12)

My 89 has one like the 87, but the #s are different, no where near the VIN # either, and the tag is centered on the rad wall.

stelios_z28

well my car was imported from the states but not for sale.let me explain you...when here in greece in about 1980's we had the american base many american people work here.then when the american base closed...people leave for the states but they leave their cars here.so goverment took them and sell them on auctions.here in greece we have many american cars.now because people in EPA had no clue about american cars they told me about that vin number on the chassis.i think that the best thing for me to do to solve the problem is to stamped it my self.

pacecarkid

Hi.
On my 82 camaro there is another stamped VIN under the right front fender.
It is located on the main spar that ties the front end together about even with the shock tower. I do not beleve it is the entire vin but the last six
digits of the vin. Hope this helps.

Blackknight

iTrader: (1)

All cars here in Switzerland got a plate also in the engine compartement.

trigger GTA

there is a stamped vin... well just the serial number. (last 6 or so numbers of the vin) on the fire wall of the engine bay. its the only one that i have seen on the car and i have stripped the thing totaly. if you need a pic of its exact location i can get it for you.


you can also find a sticker vin in both doors/ under the hood/ under the rear hatch/ inside both front fenders/inside both rear 1/4 panels/back side of the nose/ and one in the glove box.

Legal Disaster

iTrader: (6)

I admire your work so far. I wish I had the time and space to completely strip mine. It is always the best way to go that extra mile.

stelios_z28

thanks a lot all of you guys for your help!trigger can you send me a close photo of the loction on the firewall?it is near the wipper motor?

trigger GTA

ya man i will get it tomorow

stelios_z28

thanks a lot!your help is much appreciated!!

trigger GTA

ok got the pic for you. also found a second one i did not know about.

pics say it all.

stelios_z28

thanks a lot my friend.i'll check it out on my car.something else....the vin number tag under the windshield...is placed on the dashboard or on the chassis between the windshield and the dashboard?

trigger GTA

the vin is stamped on a plate that is rivetted to the frame of the car. the dash stops before it get there. the only way to realy get to it is to remove the glass.

Toyota h8r

I have a plate on the radiator support. It Doesnt seem to have a vin number though. Pic is a 83 firebird.

camarotucker

iTrader: (2)

In post #16 what is this plate for? His is 13 1590. My plate is 13 6488.

camarosrock1989

iTrader: (1)

On a 91 RS they are under the tire well on frame. They have at least 5 on every car.
Call a dealership, they will tell you where to find them. I came across a internet site once that told where they were all stamped. Just can't remember.

camarotucker

iTrader: (2)

"theft deterrent" labels- doors, front and rear fenders, hood, compartment lift window panel, front and rear impact bars, and the door windows.

"VIN" attached to the upper left of the instrument panel and can be seen from outside the vehicle.

A derivative of the VIN appears on the engine and transmission.

The plate that I am reffering to appears to have no connection to the VIN. My question is what is this plate for?

donnj

bump from the dead post past. Anyone know what the plate that camarotucker is reffering to for?

camarotucker

iTrader: (2)

In post #16 and #28 the tag slightly towards driver side on center of core support. The older models the tag contains some trim options-?, at some point (85-?)they are changed to a six digit number. Through some research the six letter tag coresponds to the same number that is on the build sheet. I would imagine that it was a way to keep the build sheet and the car together at the factory. It would seem more logical to just track the build sheet by vin. The numbers have some meaning, I want to know what the numbers mean.

donnj

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KRH

Since this post 10 years ago, these images seem to have disappeared. I'm wondering, can anyone repost them?

The context was the last 6 of the VIN being stamped on the firewall.

Much appreciated!
-AJ