Flipped my wing upside down
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Re: Flipped my wing upside down
not feeling the spoiler.
it sticks past the lower bumper.
shorten it about 1 - 1.5 inches on each side and maybe we can talk then.
still.
not my taste
it sticks past the lower bumper.
shorten it about 1 - 1.5 inches on each side and maybe we can talk then.
still.
not my taste
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Re: Flipped my wing upside down
Not to be the bearer of bad news, but it looks like the spoiler is mounted upside down, did you accidently flip the car before installation?
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its not that bad but when you think about it it just doesn't make enough sense and falls just a little bit too short of looking good enough for it to actually be up to f-body standards and there are some very nice f bodys raising the bar all the time out there
love the notchback tho.
btw theres a 3rd gen firebird running around ive seen like twice here in allentown and it looks like he used the82-84 bumpers chopped em' in half and grafted it onto the front and back and used what looked like universal side skirts onto an 85-89 firebirds stock bumper and it looks halfway decent i also have wondered what that might look like with a 90-92 bumper grafted to it
im not 100% about the date ranges but im sure u know what im talking about
love the notchback tho.
btw theres a 3rd gen firebird running around ive seen like twice here in allentown and it looks like he used the82-84 bumpers chopped em' in half and grafted it onto the front and back and used what looked like universal side skirts onto an 85-89 firebirds stock bumper and it looks halfway decent i also have wondered what that might look like with a 90-92 bumper grafted to it
im not 100% about the date ranges but im sure u know what im talking about
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I have have seen way worse **** done to our cars so whatever. IMO I wouldn t do it but if it was fabricated a bit and looked more full it would look cool wi proper ground fx. I am a huge fan of the notch back its just BA period so Idk its your car so **** what everyone has to say about it I dont like alot of the gay *** **** people put on there car here so wtfe. Plus GUMBY cant do wrong he's a Steelers fan...
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I don't see why people have to mock what they don't like. everybody has different tastes. I thought this board was to show off new ideas or different versions of an old idea. don't listen to what everbody else sais. If you like it then thats all that matters.
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Actually, administrators and moderators mostly don't pay much attention to threads with no legitimate technical or otherwise useful content unless there are naughty words or a chance that someone might get their feelings injured.
"Rice" used to be filtered out automatically because some people found it offensive, and others had food allergies. I used to eat rice all the time, but it started to affect the rain forests because of the rapid depletion of rubber tree sap.
As for suggesting that a collection of metal and plastic is offensive to a given person's sensibilities of tastes, that's strictly individual preference. I personally despise the look of those Honduh and Scion things that look like a box of Rice Crispies from the factory, yet I'm not going to nick my paint running all of them off the road just because they are fugly - Their owners already have enough problems.
If some owners want to add useless mass to their vehicles and ruin what is already a fairly aerodynamic package, that's their choice. Who's to say what is or isn't ugly when there are plenty of examples for comparison already rolling around out there?
Half a dozen or so spoilers might actually improve that.
"Rice" used to be filtered out automatically because some people found it offensive, and others had food allergies. I used to eat rice all the time, but it started to affect the rain forests because of the rapid depletion of rubber tree sap.
As for suggesting that a collection of metal and plastic is offensive to a given person's sensibilities of tastes, that's strictly individual preference. I personally despise the look of those Honduh and Scion things that look like a box of Rice Crispies from the factory, yet I'm not going to nick my paint running all of them off the road just because they are fugly - Their owners already have enough problems.
If some owners want to add useless mass to their vehicles and ruin what is already a fairly aerodynamic package, that's their choice. Who's to say what is or isn't ugly when there are plenty of examples for comparison already rolling around out there?
Half a dozen or so spoilers might actually improve that.
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If some owners want to add useless mass to their vehicles and ruin what is already a fairly aerodynamic package, that's their choice. Who's to say what is or isn't ugly when there are plenty of examples for comparison already rolling around out there?
This would help that car:
This would help that car:
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Re: Flipped my wing upside down
Course the idea is sort of stole from RedRaiff but she made it seem harder then it was. If you look under where the bumper tabs clip into the metal bumper support and remove the two outer tabs you have two perfect pre-made holes to use. You just drill 1 hole each through the wing down the center of the wing leg support and it all lines up like magic.
I wonder if you could post some pics of them from the side. I would like to see how the side lined up with the cover. Also I wondered how much overhang you are getting with your mounting point.
Do you also have any picks of the hole you drilled and how the mount looks from below? I wanted mine to maintain a clean look when seen from below as well... I use mirrors when I show at certain shows. I'm curious because mine will recieve an overhaul before it is all said and done.
I have maintained the use of all 4 studs on the bottom of the spoiler as to not put any undue weight on the 84 urathane GFX, but the wind pulls the spoiler down when in motion and even with a spread load across the surface the GFX are ripping. So again thats why there is an overhaul in the bird's future...
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I'm not sold on the looks yet. Are you worried about the exhaust melting the spoiler? The tip looks awfully close to the spoiler. I think if the exhaust poked through between the body and the spoiler, instead of under the spoiler, it would look better; something doesn't look right with it where it is. Better yet, if you had two tips, one on either side of the spoiler next to the supports, maybe even with some type of grill insert to hide more of the undercarriage junk. Do you plan to blend the spoiler into the bumper at all on the outside? That would look tons better IMO. Just tossing ideas out there.
The original idea for me was to put the tips thru the spoiler, but there are no tips out there that will fit in that tight of a space. You might get someone to fabricate something uot of stainles, but now you are taking some money. If you run something small that will fit, it will put a resistance in your exhaust flow.
Blending would be a nice idea. Another thought I would liek to pursue. With the spoiler a form of fiberglass and the GFX and cover urathane you have alot of composition difference. The worst problem is the movement the air gives. The spoiler does flex and there will undoubtly be cracks. These issues were what held up my move to blend.
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Re: Flipped my wing upside down
I think my word choice was poor - "melt" should be replaced with something like char, or similar. When I had my exhaust with stainless tips mounted temporarily with steel straps, they got hot enough to burn through the straps COMPLETELY. The appropriate rubber straps, positioned correctly, held it nicely later. I would tend to think that hot tips would at least char the spoiler, making it look terrible if they were in constant contact. I know I wouldn't want to be holding up my exhaust's tips while the car's running, lol.
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I think my word choice was poor - "melt" should be replaced with something like char, or similar. When I had my exhaust with stainless tips mounted temporarily with steel straps, they got hot enough to burn through the straps COMPLETELY. The appropriate rubber straps, positioned correctly, held it nicely later. I would tend to think that hot tips would at least char the spoiler, making it look terrible if they were in constant contact. I know I wouldn't want to be holding up my exhaust's tips while the car's running, lol.
The way the shop made mine was to tack the 4 tips together with a metal bar about the diameter of a pencil across the top. This bar actually did touch the spoiler. It rubbed the paint, but did not char it. At repaint time I had the exhaust tweaked as to clear the spoiler by a few millimeters I added a piece of rubber to the bar just in case a bump cause an impact, but I NEVER had any charring or paint issues. Could be the heat having the 4 tips to transfer thru. I do know they are VERY hot to the touch though.
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I sure won't argue with vader. I may not like the spoiler on the bottom but it still looks a lot better than most cars I see on the road. To each his own, what is a custom car but a reflection of it's owner. Mine's got rust. 
And I am lactose intolerant so while I don't mind if y'all say rice, I would appreciate you not using the m*lk word.
And I am lactose intolerant so while I don't mind if y'all say rice, I would appreciate you not using the m*lk word.
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I look forward to the upgrades, I know you were thinking about an LS# engine swap back in the day. How did that go ?
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Well that was back when the LT1 was going to go in the 82... Well it got taken back from me and is not going to be replaced, so once I find a replacement for the 82's engine.... then I can refocus on the birds power plant. So for now it will still be the 3.4, but with the last few results we got from the new intake manifold/TB combo before the car went down, I'm not so sure I'm ready to toss in the towel on the 3.4. I had a cracked head which forced the tear down, but I took the new heads to a whole new level to compliment the new intake... So I will push this combo a bit first and see where it leads. Maybe break a few stereotypes like I did with the 3inch exhaust. Then a power plant swap might be in order. Though the plan was to always have the 82 be the big gun!
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The rear upside down spoiler... maybe it really does work as sort of a air diffuser. like you said need a wind tunnel to find out i guess.
Glad to see you're still around. I don't frequent the site as much due to the junior members (you're still a junior member if you haven't posted anything worthwhile, anyone can post crap and get the 200 or 250 posts to get the senior member title) having an opinion on everything they have no idea about. You'd be the first one to agree that not everyone likes all the mods done to your car, but it's your car, not theirs. I for one copied the 4th gen firebird mirrors from your car and I love it. Subtle change not many would notice.
You can always turbocharge the 3.4
Lay the smack down on these guys talking **** with their stock 305 or 350 Tuned Port that they think is the greatest invention to performance
Wow burning thru the metal straps... Dang... My fiero is still running with metal straps holding it up on the main pipe, right by the engine and I have not tanked a strap yet. It got noisey so I added rubber, but never burn thru anything.
The way the shop made mine was to tack the 4 tips together with a metal bar about the diameter of a pencil across the top. This bar actually did touch the spoiler. It rubbed the paint, but did not char it. At repaint time I had the exhaust tweaked as to clear the spoiler by a few millimeters I added a piece of rubber to the bar just in case a bump cause an impact, but I NEVER had any charring or paint issues. Could be the heat having the 4 tips to transfer thru. I do know they are VERY hot to the touch though.
The way the shop made mine was to tack the 4 tips together with a metal bar about the diameter of a pencil across the top. This bar actually did touch the spoiler. It rubbed the paint, but did not char it. At repaint time I had the exhaust tweaked as to clear the spoiler by a few millimeters I added a piece of rubber to the bar just in case a bump cause an impact, but I NEVER had any charring or paint issues. Could be the heat having the 4 tips to transfer thru. I do know they are VERY hot to the touch though.
Glad to see you're still around. I don't frequent the site as much due to the junior members (you're still a junior member if you haven't posted anything worthwhile, anyone can post crap and get the 200 or 250 posts to get the senior member title) having an opinion on everything they have no idea about. You'd be the first one to agree that not everyone likes all the mods done to your car, but it's your car, not theirs. I for one copied the 4th gen firebird mirrors from your car and I love it. Subtle change not many would notice.
You can always turbocharge the 3.4
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Glad to see you're still around. I don't frequent the site as much due to the junior members (you're still a junior member if you haven't posted anything worthwhile, anyone can post crap and get the 200 or 250 posts to get the senior member title) having an opinion on everything they have no idea about. You'd be the first one to agree that not everyone likes all the mods done to your car, but it's your car, not theirs. I for one copied the 4th gen firebird mirrors from your car and I love it. Subtle change not many would notice.
You can always turbocharge the 3.4 Lay the smack down on these guys talking **** with their stock 305 or 350 Tuned Port that they think is the greatest invention to performance
You can always turbocharge the 3.4
Lay the smack down on these guys talking **** with their stock 305 or 350 Tuned Port that they think is the greatest invention to performanceNo seriously, the past few years have been nuts. I had a house built on my Grandpas lot where he never had a chance to move to. Moved...actually got into a REAL relationship and we have been together for almost 4 years now. Tied the knot so to speak back in 06. I'm very happy, but it brings on a whole new set of time consuming responcibilities. Due to some tragic circumstances the bird has been off the road since right after the World of Wheels in 2006. Basically an overhaul that went bad and many bridges were burnt in the process. So now money and a quality painter has the poor guy sitting waiting for paint repairs in the engine bay!
It makes it hard to come and post cause I miss the car so much! Seems I have missed a whole heap of Drama...
The 4th gen mirrors have been by far the most rewarding simple change over. No one even notices the blend so well...
Turboing the 3.4 has not gone undebated. I would love nothing better then to really giving it a go. I just don't know how much of a nightmare its going to be. I just need to learn to weld and then do it myself! LOL!
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Re: Flipped my wing upside down
Actually, administrators and moderators mostly don't pay much attention to threads with no legitimate technical or otherwise useful content unless there are naughty words or a chance that someone might get their feelings injured.
"Rice" used to be filtered out automatically because some people found it offensive, and others had food allergies. I used to eat rice all the time, but it started to affect the rain forests because of the rapid depletion of rubber tree sap.
As for suggesting that a collection of metal and plastic is offensive to a given person's sensibilities of tastes, that's strictly individual preference. I personally despise the look of those Honduh and Scion things that look like a box of Rice Crispies from the factory, yet I'm not going to nick my paint running all of them off the road just because they are fugly - Their owners already have enough problems.
If some owners want to add useless mass to their vehicles and ruin what is already a fairly aerodynamic package, that's their choice. Who's to say what is or isn't ugly when there are plenty of examples for comparison already rolling around out there?
"Rice" used to be filtered out automatically because some people found it offensive, and others had food allergies. I used to eat rice all the time, but it started to affect the rain forests because of the rapid depletion of rubber tree sap.
As for suggesting that a collection of metal and plastic is offensive to a given person's sensibilities of tastes, that's strictly individual preference. I personally despise the look of those Honduh and Scion things that look like a box of Rice Crispies from the factory, yet I'm not going to nick my paint running all of them off the road just because they are fugly - Their owners already have enough problems.
If some owners want to add useless mass to their vehicles and ruin what is already a fairly aerodynamic package, that's their choice. Who's to say what is or isn't ugly when there are plenty of examples for comparison already rolling around out there?
But hey, do what you guys want. That's why I don't post here much anymore.
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Re: Flipped my wing upside down
People like you are why these cars do NOT get respect.
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Normally I just shake my head and keep my mouth shut when I see things like this post. But doing something like sticking a rear spoiler on the bottom of a car which looks exactly like that's what was done and NOT good at all.. and you call a factory installed option rice?
People like you are why these cars do NOT get respect.
People like you are why these cars do NOT get respect.
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There's a big difference between not approving of something, and screaming your disapproval for all to hear. The bashing that is allowed to go on in this board these days really irritates the hell out of me. It's not cool. It's not constructive. It doesn't help anyone. We should be encouraging people to try new things. That's how things move forward.
But hey, do what you guys want. That's why I don't post here much anymore.
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But hey, do what you guys want. That's why I don't post here much anymore.
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I'll keep my true feelings to myself, I don't want to upset anyone.
I'll just keep laughing at that ridiculous abomination....you're A) ruining the look of the car and B) ruining the aerodynamics...however to each their own.
Instead of making the car SLOWER why not get that turd to move a little quicker? Then again I've seen other slow V6 abomination post in this thread so it must be a V6 thing. I guess some of you V6 guys add more spoilers and tacky body mods to distract people from realizing that you're driving a Fbody that can barely get out of its own way?
To each their own..it's your car and your money but when you do things like more spoilers(upside down nonetheless) expect backlash. Just ask RedRicer.
...as far as one comment posted back in April about trashing redraif's car out loud and then silently being envious...yeah...ok. The non pop-up lights aren't bad but if that's about it...again to each their own but that's a pretty bold statement to make. I'm not sure why anyone would be envious of 3 spoilers flipped upside down and a whole catalog full of JC Whitney parts.
You guys should start a myspace group. "Upside down spoilers UNITE!"
Bug deflectors don't count...
AMEN brother.
I'll just keep laughing at that ridiculous abomination....you're A) ruining the look of the car and B) ruining the aerodynamics...however to each their own.
Instead of making the car SLOWER why not get that turd to move a little quicker? Then again I've seen other slow V6 abomination post in this thread so it must be a V6 thing. I guess some of you V6 guys add more spoilers and tacky body mods to distract people from realizing that you're driving a Fbody that can barely get out of its own way?
To each their own..it's your car and your money but when you do things like more spoilers(upside down nonetheless) expect backlash. Just ask RedRicer.
...as far as one comment posted back in April about trashing redraif's car out loud and then silently being envious...yeah...ok. The non pop-up lights aren't bad but if that's about it...again to each their own but that's a pretty bold statement to make. I'm not sure why anyone would be envious of 3 spoilers flipped upside down and a whole catalog full of JC Whitney parts.
You guys should start a myspace group. "Upside down spoilers UNITE!"
AMEN brother.
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Normally I just shake my head and keep my mouth shut when I see things like this post. But doing something like sticking a rear spoiler on the bottom of a car which looks exactly like that's what was done and NOT good at all.. and you call a factory installed option rice?
People like you are why these cars do NOT get respect.
People like you are why these cars do NOT get respect.
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Wow - What is this world coming to? Arguements about what is rice 10 years after the definition has already been beaten out of 70 gabillion horses???
I think what is most disturbing is how many people have responded to this thread about how redraifs car has won awards, and how these modificaitons ARE TASTEFULL!!!!!!
Are you people kidding me? How could you think that even remotely looks good? I'm all for a car thats done up, has a body kit on it, ect, but these modifications represent a total lack of ability and creativity.
I'm sorry, but a car like mine, or several other members on here is a true representation of what our cars are - not these garbage hodgepodge looking things...
And awards? TV? don't you realize why her car was on TV? I'd bet out of evewry 100 people who saw that car on the TV, 99 of laughed and said "wtf was that!" I got an award once for my car - and it was in ****ing primer!!!!
Apparently I'm out of touch with what looks good - you people who think that it looks good and is creative need to lay down the crack pipe. I've tried to hold back for a long long time - but this one put me over the edge.
Please, don't do something different to be different, then convince yourself so strongly it looks good. Bring yourself back to reality!
I think what is most disturbing is how many people have responded to this thread about how redraifs car has won awards, and how these modificaitons ARE TASTEFULL!!!!!!
Are you people kidding me? How could you think that even remotely looks good? I'm all for a car thats done up, has a body kit on it, ect, but these modifications represent a total lack of ability and creativity.
I'm sorry, but a car like mine, or several other members on here is a true representation of what our cars are - not these garbage hodgepodge looking things...
And awards? TV? don't you realize why her car was on TV? I'd bet out of evewry 100 people who saw that car on the TV, 99 of laughed and said "wtf was that!" I got an award once for my car - and it was in ****ing primer!!!!
Apparently I'm out of touch with what looks good - you people who think that it looks good and is creative need to lay down the crack pipe. I've tried to hold back for a long long time - but this one put me over the edge.
Please, don't do something different to be different, then convince yourself so strongly it looks good. Bring yourself back to reality!
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Wow - What is this world coming to? Arguements about what is rice 10 years after the definition has already been beaten out of 70 gabillion horses???
I think what is most disturbing is how many people have responded to this thread about how redraifs car has won awards, and how these modificaitons ARE TASTEFULL!!!!!!
Are you people kidding me? How could you think that even remotely looks good? I'm all for a car thats done up, has a body kit on it, ect, but these modifications represent a total lack of ability and creativity.
I'm sorry, but a car like mine, or several other members on here is a true representation of what our cars are - not these garbage hodgepodge looking things...
And awards? TV? don't you realize why her car was on TV? I'd bet out of evewry 100 people who saw that car on the TV, 99 of laughed and said "wtf was that!" I got an award once for my car - and it was in ****ing primer!!!!
Apparently I'm out of touch with what looks good - you people who think that it looks good and is creative need to lay down the crack pipe. I've tried to hold back for a long long time - but this one put me over the edge.
Please, don't do something different to be different, then convince yourself so strongly it looks good. Bring yourself back to reality!
I think what is most disturbing is how many people have responded to this thread about how redraifs car has won awards, and how these modificaitons ARE TASTEFULL!!!!!!
Are you people kidding me? How could you think that even remotely looks good? I'm all for a car thats done up, has a body kit on it, ect, but these modifications represent a total lack of ability and creativity.
I'm sorry, but a car like mine, or several other members on here is a true representation of what our cars are - not these garbage hodgepodge looking things...
And awards? TV? don't you realize why her car was on TV? I'd bet out of evewry 100 people who saw that car on the TV, 99 of laughed and said "wtf was that!" I got an award once for my car - and it was in ****ing primer!!!!
Apparently I'm out of touch with what looks good - you people who think that it looks good and is creative need to lay down the crack pipe. I've tried to hold back for a long long time - but this one put me over the edge.
Please, don't do something different to be different, then convince yourself so strongly it looks good. Bring yourself back to reality!
I was trying to be more diplomatic before, but it has got out of hand with the # of people thinking this is something good.
If you want to make an interesting , unique body mod for your car, then make something out of fiberglass or steel that shows some skill and thought. Slapping something on that clearly doesnt belong there just reflects on how lazy and completely lacking in design sense you are. Why not bolt a screen door to the bottom? How about a rain gutter? I know, a commode! At least that would be funstional for the stuff that drops out of it.
For those that complain of "bashing", these cars were deliberatly displayed for soliciting opinions. You cant whine when people tell you how dumb it looks. I agree that arguments over weather or not it is "rice" are irrelavant. Its just bad, doesnt matter if its rice or not.
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The front did in fact cool the car... I watched the temp gauge differences... It also held my original CAI in place. Once I got everything routed and hooked up on the new hood, I eventually phased the front spoiler out. The lines never lined up the way I wanted on the sides and I planned to do a different nose all together anyway..
Instead of making the car SLOWER why not get that turd to move a little quicker? Then again I've seen other slow V6 abomination post in this thread so it must be a V6 thing. I guess some of you V6 guys add more spoilers and tacky body mods to distract people from realizing that you're driving a Fbody that can barely get out of its own way? .
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Exhaust upgrade to 3in...
And this was from a new TB and intake...
...as far as one comment posted back in April about trashing redraif's car out loud and then silently being envious...yeah...ok. The non pop-up lights aren't bad but if that's about it...again to each their own but that's a pretty bold statement to make. I'm not sure why anyone would be envious of 3 spoilers flipped upside down and a whole catalog full of JC Whitney parts.
As I have stated in the past... and I think this is another restated version of it... For people who hate the car so much you spend so much of your time discussing and worrying about it.
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I'm pretty sure all the 4th gen wheel users are running 3inch-ish spacers as well... See the modern world left us deep dish rim runners in the past. There is a VERY small market for aftermarket rims for our offset anymore. To even use stock current model cast offs you need spacers. As long as they are made correctly they are as strong as any rim!
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Funny thing is that it has been stated many times over that the stock spoiler does not even lend anything to the aerodynamics of the car at all. Its too low to even connect to the air pattern that is produced at teh rear of the vehicle. The mecham spoiler it actually the one that lends the most aid in this department. At the time there was NO mecham spoiler available and I figured what the heck the 86.5 spoiler would get the stocker in the airstream... and it does. Driving in the rain has left evidence of that. So it has served a purpose. Again to know the true effect one needs an air tunnel, but I don's see any of you proving that its ineffectual or detrimental.
The front did in fact cool the car... I watched the temp gauge differences... It also held my original CAI in place. Once I got everything routed and hooked up on the new hood, I eventually phased the front spoiler out. The lines never lined up the way I wanted on the sides and I planned to do a different nose all together anyway..
This just goes to prove you are talking about things you don't even know about. I actually have made the stock 3.4 numbers move in ways no one expected. Down was not one of them...
Exhaust upgrade to 3in...
And this was from a new TB and intake...
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Good way to prove your point... LOL... 3 spoilers upside down... Ummm ONE... Count often? TWO if you live in the past.... THREE in your imagination!
As I have stated in the past... and I think this is another restated version of it... For people who hate the car so much you spend so much of your time discussing and worrying about it.
The front did in fact cool the car... I watched the temp gauge differences... It also held my original CAI in place. Once I got everything routed and hooked up on the new hood, I eventually phased the front spoiler out. The lines never lined up the way I wanted on the sides and I planned to do a different nose all together anyway..
This just goes to prove you are talking about things you don't even know about. I actually have made the stock 3.4 numbers move in ways no one expected. Down was not one of them...
Exhaust upgrade to 3in...
And this was from a new TB and intake...
Attachment 179640
Good way to prove your point... LOL... 3 spoilers upside down... Ummm ONE... Count often? TWO if you live in the past.... THREE in your imagination!
As I have stated in the past... and I think this is another restated version of it... For people who hate the car so much you spend so much of your time discussing and worrying about it.
As far as the V6 comment, that wasn't even directed towards you.
However since you posted it...I wouldn't come rushing it bragging about 143hp to the rear wheels...that's like some guy coming in bragging about screwing some fat chick he met at the bar. I guess you're a Goddess among the V6 people for getting that INSANE power from a V6..but in the real world that's really nothing to be proud of.As far as the "3" spoiler comment...it's called sarcasm, I guess you don't learn that in your part of the country...
I only brought up your car because you posted in the thread. Other than that I could care less...if you're happy with that abortion of a 3rdgen then so be it...that is what it's all about...
I look at it this way...when I see abortions like the 2 cars in this thread it makes my 3rdgen worth that much more and look that much better..so yes...please...you two keep on doing what you're doing...our wallets will thank you.
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Re: Flipped my wing upside down
[quote=redraif;4183452]Funny thing is that it has been stated many times over that the stock spoiler does not even lend anything to the aerodynamics of the car at all. Its too low to even connect to the air pattern that is produced at teh rear of the vehicle. The mecham spoiler it actually the one that lends the most aid in this department. At the time there was NO mecham spoiler available and I figured what the heck the 86.5 spoiler would get the stocker in the airstream... and it does. Driving in the rain has left evidence of that. So it has served a purpose. Again to know the true effect one needs an air tunnel, but I don's see any of you proving that its ineffectual or detrimental.
I dont know where you got that from. These cars were tested extensively in wind tunnels in development and the stock wing was shown to reduce drag by helping to maintain laminar flow and reducing the low pressure center behind the car. I believe there is a reprint of the car and driver (?) article that discusses this in the "media" section.
Ironically, its possible the upside down wings help aerodynamics by maintaining laminar flow along the bottom of the car, but it doesnt change the fact that they dont look like they belong there. Building a custom one integrated into the ground effects would be much more impressive.
I dont know where you got that from. These cars were tested extensively in wind tunnels in development and the stock wing was shown to reduce drag by helping to maintain laminar flow and reducing the low pressure center behind the car. I believe there is a reprint of the car and driver (?) article that discusses this in the "media" section.
Ironically, its possible the upside down wings help aerodynamics by maintaining laminar flow along the bottom of the car, but it doesnt change the fact that they dont look like they belong there. Building a custom one integrated into the ground effects would be much more impressive.
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Re: Flipped my wing upside down
I'm pretty sure all the 4th gen wheel users are running 3inch-ish spacers as well... See the modern world left us deep dish rim runners in the past. There is a VERY small market for aftermarket rims for our offset anymore. To even use stock current model cast offs you need spacers. As long as they are made correctly they are as strong as any rim!
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Re: Flipped my wing upside down
Are you people kidding me? How could you think that even remotely looks good? I'm all for a car thats done up, has a body kit on it, ect, but these modifications represent a total lack of ability and creativity.
And about those cars with body kits.... HMMM what availablity is there for 3rd gens. Im not seeing much of anything. So you have to get creative which is what I have done.
And awards? TV? don't you realize why her car was on TV? I'd bet out of evewry 100 people who saw that car on the TV, 99 of laughed and said "wtf was that!" I got an award once for my car - and it was in ****ing primer!!!!
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As far as the V6 comment, that wasn't even directed towards you. However since you posted it...I wouldn't come rushing it bragging about 143hp to the rear wheels...that's like some guy coming in bragging about screwing some fat chick he met at the bar. I guess you're a Goddess among the V6 people for getting that INSANE power from a V6..but in the real world that's really nothing to be proud of.
However since you posted it...I wouldn't come rushing it bragging about 143hp to the rear wheels...that's like some guy coming in bragging about screwing some fat chick he met at the bar. I guess you're a Goddess among the V6 people for getting that INSANE power from a V6..but in the real world that's really nothing to be proud of.
As far as the "3" spoiler comment...it's called sarcasm, I guess you don't learn that in your part of the country...
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I'm going to be very constructive here and I'm being sincere. Earlier in the thread you posted up 2 other wheel options. I really think you'd be better off going with different wheels....even though the rest of the car is gaudy and flashy..I don't know...the 2 sets of black wheels you posted look really out of place. It sucks that you have to run spacers but if you're going to run spacers the rims better be 100% perfect for the car.
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Never bragged about 143HP... The actual iportant number on that graph you seem to have totally missed was the 258.1FTlbs of TQ... The HP numbers were never correct. The car never got a new tune to straighten out the AFR#s... The numbers being so Off tanked the HP numbers. About a week after I got a new chip burned to test we found the cracked head, so the car went down and has been down since.
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You nailed it Fb.
I was trying to be more diplomatic before, but it has got out of hand with the # of people thinking this is something good.
If you want to make an interesting , unique body mod for your car, then make something out of fiberglass or steel that shows some skill and thought. Slapping something on that clearly doesnt belong there just reflects on how lazy and completely lacking in design sense you are. Why not bolt a screen door to the bottom? How about a rain gutter? I know, a commode! At least that would be funstional for the stuff that drops out of it.
For those that complain of "bashing", these cars were deliberatly displayed for soliciting opinions. You cant whine when people tell you how dumb it looks. I agree that arguments over weather or not it is "rice" are irrelavant. Its just bad, doesnt matter if its rice or not.
I was trying to be more diplomatic before, but it has got out of hand with the # of people thinking this is something good.
If you want to make an interesting , unique body mod for your car, then make something out of fiberglass or steel that shows some skill and thought. Slapping something on that clearly doesnt belong there just reflects on how lazy and completely lacking in design sense you are. Why not bolt a screen door to the bottom? How about a rain gutter? I know, a commode! At least that would be funstional for the stuff that drops out of it.
For those that complain of "bashing", these cars were deliberatly displayed for soliciting opinions. You cant whine when people tell you how dumb it looks. I agree that arguments over weather or not it is "rice" are irrelavant. Its just bad, doesnt matter if its rice or not.
The making of something out of fiberglass or metal takes time and planning. I never siad the car was done. Everything on my car evolves. What starts as a bolt on usually gets smoothed and refined. Pictures on my site prove that! But to legitimated decide what you want to do takes trying things out to you hit the right idea. I have seen plenty of cars with a design that looks like a lower reversed spoiler. It does lend itself to better airflow. However before I randomly take what I've done and smooth it to the body I need to be sure of all the angles and how it will affect the car. So no it does not get done in one almighty step. Ther is ALOT of refining I want to do to make everything flow and blend. And yes smoothing is one of those steps.
The one thing that bugs me to death it having the headlight doors still there. But its not going to be easy to work out the particulars to make the fix work, so I'm not going to half a** it and have it crack of look like some paper machete project
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Re: Flipped my wing upside down
I dont know where you got that from. These cars were tested extensively in wind tunnels in development and the stock wing was shown to reduce drag by helping to maintain laminar flow and reducing the low pressure center behind the car. I believe there is a reprint of the car and driver (?) article that discusses this in the "media" section.
Ironically, its possible the upside down wings help aerodynamics by maintaining laminar flow along the bottom of the car, but it doesnt change the fact that they dont look like they belong there. Building a custom one integrated into the ground effects would be much more impressive.
Ironically, its possible the upside down wings help aerodynamics by maintaining laminar flow along the bottom of the car, but it doesnt change the fact that they dont look like they belong there. Building a custom one integrated into the ground effects would be much more impressive.
I will be sure to look the srticle up!
Integrating the whole thing in is on my list of "to dos" before the car is relaunched
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As far as the TQ numbers... No they would not be impressive on a v-8. Though when you talk about percentage of increase based on the starting versus finishing numbers... take that percentage increase and apply it ot a bigger platform and thats when it starts looking better...
There is no replacement for the gains of larger engine for sure.
All take any wheel suggestions people have, just not TQ thrusts or the equivalet. I'm so tired of them. And no more chrome. I'm not looking for the bling factor
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