Body General body information and techniques for restoration, repairs, and modifications.

Paint Removal!!!

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jun 8, 2009 | 01:59 PM
  #1  
houston_boss's Avatar
Thread Starter
Member
 
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 112
Likes: 0
From: Houston
Car: 1986 IROC-Z
Engine: 305 TPI - 350 in the works!
Transmission: 700r4
Axle/Gears: 3.23
Paint Removal!!!

K, I know this kinda question gets asked a lot, but heres another one.

Im sanding down my car using a DA and 40/80 grit paper. I've been working 4 days on it, and only have the rear quarter halfway done. The problem is two-fold:
1.) I have to stop and start with the DA 'cause my compressor can't keep up
2.) I found 5 different layers of primer and paint under my current one.

So I've decided to go with a paint stripper. I know aircraft stripper is the best one out there, but does brand matter? Is there any one thats a better value?

How much does it usually take to strip a whole car and will it hurt the metal at all?

Sorry, a lot of questions, I know.
Reply
Old Jun 10, 2009 | 11:19 AM
  #2  
jb3829's Avatar
Member
15 Year Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 437
Likes: 0
From: Bucks County, PA
Car: 1991 RS
Engine: 383 stroker
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 3.23 posi
Re: Paint Removal!!!

try this....www.learnautopainting.com
they explain some of the ways you can strip a car with sand or chemicals
Reply
Old Jun 11, 2009 | 06:35 PM
  #3  
madhatter's Avatar
Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 298
Likes: 0
From: Chicago
Re: Paint Removal!!!

Originally Posted by houston_boss
K, I know this kinda question gets asked a lot, but heres another one.

Im sanding down my car using a DA and 40/80 grit paper. I've been working 4 days on it, and only have the rear quarter halfway done. The problem is two-fold:
1.) I have to stop and start with the DA 'cause my compressor can't keep up
2.) I found 5 different layers of primer and paint under my current one.

So I've decided to go with a paint stripper. I know aircraft stripper is the best one out there, but does brand matter? Is there any one thats a better value?

How much does it usually take to strip a whole car and will it hurt the metal at all?

Sorry, a lot of questions, I know.
i didn't have to much luck with the stripper, it takes some of it off but not all of it, i used quick strip brand, wasnt to impressed with the results, i had the same problem with my sander, so i bought a cheap 20 dollar palm sander, it worked. i did around a panel a day in my free time, so i stripped the whole car in about a week. still took me about 40 hours or so to strip it, i dont think that there is a fast method unless you media blast the car
Reply
Old Jun 11, 2009 | 08:52 PM
  #4  
ericjon262's Avatar
Supreme Member
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,545
Likes: 10
From: South Carolina
Car: 85 2M6, 87 'Bird 88 'burb
Engine: LX9, LG4, L05
Transmission: F23, 700r4, 700R4
Axle/Gears: 3.63, 2.73, 4.10
Re: Paint Removal!!!

so I guess nobody just uses a hand block with some 80 grit like i've been doing!
Reply
Old Jun 12, 2009 | 01:13 AM
  #5  
madhatter's Avatar
Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 298
Likes: 0
From: Chicago
Re: Paint Removal!!!

Originally Posted by ericjon262
so I guess nobody just uses a hand block with some 80 grit like i've been doing!
hope your joking
Reply
Old Jun 12, 2009 | 01:30 AM
  #6  
Irocz28NCHS's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 100
Likes: 0
From: Casper, WY
Car: 1986 Irocz28
Engine: 305 tpi
Transmission: 700r4
Axle/Gears: stock
Re: Paint Removal!!!

i used a 7" round da sander and was able to get it pretty much all done in about 4 hours. and if you are going to be painting it you can kind of be lazy about it. because you can spray a coat or two of high build primer to fill those small high and low spots. just dont be too lazy or it will look like crap and you will see high and low spots all over.
Reply
Old Jun 12, 2009 | 09:28 AM
  #7  
houston_boss's Avatar
Thread Starter
Member
 
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 112
Likes: 0
From: Houston
Car: 1986 IROC-Z
Engine: 305 TPI - 350 in the works!
Transmission: 700r4
Axle/Gears: 3.23
Re: Paint Removal!!!

Yeah I did a little more research and decided that aircraft stripper isnt really the way to go for me.
So I went out and bought one of those paint/rust stripper wheels that goes on my electric drill. It worked A LOT better.
I thought it would take about a month or so to get the whole thing done, but now that I got this, I think I'll be done by next weekend tops.

It was only $10, and since the DA pads I was buyin were $5, I think it was a good deal.
Reply
Old Jun 12, 2009 | 10:24 AM
  #8  
ericjon262's Avatar
Supreme Member
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,545
Likes: 10
From: South Carolina
Car: 85 2M6, 87 'Bird 88 'burb
Engine: LX9, LG4, L05
Transmission: F23, 700r4, 700R4
Axle/Gears: 3.63, 2.73, 4.10
Re: Paint Removal!!!

Originally Posted by madhatter
hope your joking

the only parts I have used a DA on: the small patch of "roof" behind the t-tops, and the decklid, my compresser can't keep a DA going for more than 3 mins, and I would rather not burn it up. I've also been using a long block.

I've finished 80% of the car I still have to do the hood, but thats it.
Reply
Old Jun 12, 2009 | 11:06 AM
  #9  
houston_boss's Avatar
Thread Starter
Member
 
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 112
Likes: 0
From: Houston
Car: 1986 IROC-Z
Engine: 305 TPI - 350 in the works!
Transmission: 700r4
Axle/Gears: 3.23
Re: Paint Removal!!!

Originally Posted by ericjon262
the only parts I have used a DA on: the small patch of "roof" behind the t-tops, and the decklid, my compresser can't keep a DA going for more than 3 mins, and I would rather not burn it up. I've also been using a long block.

I've finished 80% of the car I still have to do the hood, but thats it.
Wow! But how long did it take you?
Reply
Old Jun 12, 2009 | 12:59 PM
  #10  
madhatter's Avatar
Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 298
Likes: 0
From: Chicago
Re: Paint Removal!!!

Originally Posted by ericjon262
the only parts I have used a DA on: the small patch of "roof" behind the t-tops, and the decklid, my compresser can't keep a DA going for more than 3 mins, and I would rather not burn it up. I've also been using a long block.

I've finished 80% of the car I still have to do the hood, but thats it.
maybe i should ask the question first, are you taking it all down to bare metal, and secondly how long did it take you, and lastly do you have the arms of popeye the sailor man?
Reply
Old Jun 12, 2009 | 05:25 PM
  #11  
Sonix's Avatar
Supreme Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 10,763
Likes: 4
From: Calgary, AB, Canada
Car: 1982 Trans-Am
Engine: 355 w/ ported 416s
Transmission: T10, hurst shifter
Axle/Gears: 10 bolt, true-trac, 3.73
Re: Paint Removal!!!

Originally Posted by ericjon262
so I guess nobody just uses a hand block with some 80 grit like i've been doing!
I am.... I'm using a longboard though. Works great on bondo too
Reply
Old Jun 12, 2009 | 10:52 PM
  #12  
ericjon262's Avatar
Supreme Member
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,545
Likes: 10
From: South Carolina
Car: 85 2M6, 87 'Bird 88 'burb
Engine: LX9, LG4, L05
Transmission: F23, 700r4, 700R4
Axle/Gears: 3.63, 2.73, 4.10
Re: Paint Removal!!!

Originally Posted by madhatter
maybe i should ask the question first, are you taking it all down to bare metal, and secondly how long did it take you, and lastly do you have the arms of popeye the sailor man?

I have the famous peeling paint, so for the most part yes, down to bare metal, it's taking a while, I've been at it for about a week and a half. I have alot of time to waste while I save up for paint, but I've heard it will produce better results than a DA too, and no, I don't have popeye arms... yet!
Reply
Old Jun 12, 2009 | 10:57 PM
  #13  
Irocz28NCHS's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 100
Likes: 0
From: Casper, WY
Car: 1986 Irocz28
Engine: 305 tpi
Transmission: 700r4
Axle/Gears: stock
Re: Paint Removal!!!

very true lol using a block has always been a proven fact to have a better outcome. every high and low spot can be found and yet again good work takes time.
Reply
Old Jun 12, 2009 | 10:58 PM
  #14  
ericjon262's Avatar
Supreme Member
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,545
Likes: 10
From: South Carolina
Car: 85 2M6, 87 'Bird 88 'burb
Engine: LX9, LG4, L05
Transmission: F23, 700r4, 700R4
Axle/Gears: 3.63, 2.73, 4.10
Re: Paint Removal!!!

if you're useing a block like I am, paper brand does matter, any sanding product by 3M that say's "sandblaster" on it is worth it 105%+1! it's the only stuff I buy!
Reply
Old Jun 12, 2009 | 11:17 PM
  #15  
Irocz28NCHS's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 100
Likes: 0
From: Casper, WY
Car: 1986 Irocz28
Engine: 305 tpi
Transmission: 700r4
Axle/Gears: stock
Re: Paint Removal!!!

im not sure exactly what brand of paper i used but i used 180 grit and a durablock sanding block set and paper from my local auto paint store. it sticks to the block and makes life really easy.
Reply
Old Jun 12, 2009 | 11:31 PM
  #16  
ericjon262's Avatar
Supreme Member
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,545
Likes: 10
From: South Carolina
Car: 85 2M6, 87 'Bird 88 'burb
Engine: LX9, LG4, L05
Transmission: F23, 700r4, 700R4
Axle/Gears: 3.63, 2.73, 4.10
Re: Paint Removal!!!

Originally Posted by Irocz28NCHS
im not sure exactly what brand of paper i used but i used 180 grit and a durablock sanding block set and paper from my local auto paint store. it sticks to the block and makes life really easy.

My buddy let me use some of the self adhering paper he had leftover from painting his foxbody, I liked it, but I had already bought some paper, if I need more I'm getting the adhesive backed.
Reply
Old Jun 12, 2009 | 11:35 PM
  #17  
Irocz28NCHS's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 100
Likes: 0
From: Casper, WY
Car: 1986 Irocz28
Engine: 305 tpi
Transmission: 700r4
Axle/Gears: stock
Re: Paint Removal!!!

ya that stuff saves alot on your hands too lol instead of having to hold it onto the block.
Reply
Old Jun 12, 2009 | 11:56 PM
  #18  
ericjon262's Avatar
Supreme Member
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,545
Likes: 10
From: South Carolina
Car: 85 2M6, 87 'Bird 88 'burb
Engine: LX9, LG4, L05
Transmission: F23, 700r4, 700R4
Axle/Gears: 3.63, 2.73, 4.10
Re: Paint Removal!!!

Originally Posted by Irocz28NCHS
ya that stuff saves alot on your hands too lol instead of having to hold it onto the block.

my block has a few small nails under a flap that holds the paper, I just liked it because there was no waste, and because the paper always stayed in the same place on the block, with regular paper on my block, it can move about an 1/8", which decreases efficiency.
Reply
Old Jun 18, 2009 | 10:30 AM
  #19  
Burbo's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 44
Likes: 0
Re: Paint Removal!!!

I've used the stuff from VIP auto parts (black can) works pretty good, also you may want to check out Harbor Freight Tools, their not the best make of tools but the price is right and their air compreassures
Attached Thumbnails Paint Removal!!!-slide1.jpg  
Reply
Old Jun 24, 2009 | 08:36 AM
  #20  
jim91gta's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 91
Likes: 0
From: Odessa FL
Car: 1991 GTA
Engine: 5.7
Transmission: Auto
Re: Paint Removal!!!

I used 50 or 80 grit to get rid of the clear coat and then paint stripper.

when trying stripper with CC on it did nothing.

Last edited by jim91gta; Jun 25, 2009 at 04:43 AM. Reason: 50 or 80 grit, not 36
Reply
Old Jun 24, 2009 | 04:21 PM
  #21  
BMR Sales's Avatar
Former Sponsor
 
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 269
Likes: 1
From: Tampa
Re: Paint Removal!!!

Usually using aircraft stripper is the fastest way to go. Youy can't apply it in the sun and you have to brush it in one direction. If your car has that many layers of paint it will take two or three applications of stripper to get it off. You have to let it sit on there for a while. If you use stripper make sure you rinse the panel off really good with water or you will have problems later. If you decide to keep sanding be careful. That builds up heat and can warp a panel if your not careful.
Reply
Old Jun 24, 2009 | 09:37 PM
  #22  
Curtisyz54's Avatar
Member
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 254
Likes: 0
From: Michigan, West Bloomfield
Car: 84 z28, 86 irocz
Engine: LS6, 305 TPI
Transmission: TH350, T56
Axle/Gears: 3.73, 4.10
Re: Paint Removal!!!

Unless you have over 5 coats of paint it is not necessary to strip down. But if you insist, But a 3M Scotch Britte disk/pad. You can get them at auto stores, even wall mart has them. (they look like a black coral thing) use it on a buffer/sander.
Reply
Old Jun 24, 2009 | 10:07 PM
  #23  
ericjon262's Avatar
Supreme Member
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,545
Likes: 10
From: South Carolina
Car: 85 2M6, 87 'Bird 88 'burb
Engine: LX9, LG4, L05
Transmission: F23, 700r4, 700R4
Axle/Gears: 3.63, 2.73, 4.10
Re: Paint Removal!!!

Originally Posted by Curtisyz54
Unless you have over 5 coats of paint it is not necessary to strip down. But if you insist, But a 3M Scotch Britte disk/pad. You can get them at auto stores, even wall mart has them. (they look like a black coral thing) use it on a buffer/sander.
not nessicarily, my '91 needs to be stipped down because it has the paint with adhearence issues, I put a strip of masking tape on it, and the tape peeled the paint off, the tape was there for less than 5 minutes.
Reply
Old Jun 24, 2009 | 11:50 PM
  #24  
Curtisyz54's Avatar
Member
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 254
Likes: 0
From: Michigan, West Bloomfield
Car: 84 z28, 86 irocz
Engine: LS6, 305 TPI
Transmission: TH350, T56
Axle/Gears: 3.73, 4.10
Re: Paint Removal!!!

Originally Posted by ericjon262
not nessicarily, my '91 needs to be stipped down because it has the paint with adhearence issues, I put a strip of masking tape on it, and the tape peeled the paint off, the tape was there for less than 5 minutes.
okay if you have paint with flaking issues or checking issues your going to want to get that coat off.
Reply
Old Jun 24, 2009 | 11:52 PM
  #25  
dstss's Avatar
Junior Member
15 Year Member
 
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 86
Likes: 1
Car: 1992 TA Convertible
Engine: 5.0 TPI
Transmission: THM 700
Re: Paint Removal!!!

Originally Posted by ericjon262
not nessicarily, my '91 needs to be stipped down because it has the paint with adhearence issues, I put a strip of masking tape on it, and the tape peeled the paint off, the tape was there for less than 5 minutes.
I see I'm not the only one. When I bought my TA the paint was perfect. Had one scratch with I tried to repair with some spray touch up. Taped it, sprayed it, then when I removed the tape my 1' scratch was a 6" hole in the paint. That was a few years ago. Now with more flaking paint I am finally starting to strip the entire car. The Aircraft stripper is working wonders.
Reply
Old Jun 25, 2009 | 10:56 AM
  #26  
houston_boss's Avatar
Thread Starter
Member
 
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 112
Likes: 0
From: Houston
Car: 1986 IROC-Z
Engine: 305 TPI - 350 in the works!
Transmission: 700r4
Axle/Gears: 3.23
Re: Paint Removal!!!

I decided to go ahead and strip the whole thing because it wascracking in places, a d there were so many coats. I figured it'd be better to just get down to metal and start fresh.
Good thing, too. Practically the whole driver side of the car had a good 1/4-1/2" of bondo caked on for no apparent reason. It was pretty bad.
Reply
Old Jun 25, 2009 | 08:27 PM
  #27  
Aussie Muscle's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 38
Likes: 0
Re: Paint Removal!!!

Originally Posted by houston_boss
1/4-1/2" of bondo caked on for no apparent reason.
poor man's panel alignment, probably.
Reply
Old Jun 25, 2009 | 09:07 PM
  #28  
houston_boss's Avatar
Thread Starter
Member
 
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 112
Likes: 0
From: Houston
Car: 1986 IROC-Z
Engine: 305 TPI - 350 in the works!
Transmission: 700r4
Axle/Gears: 3.23
Re: Paint Removal!!!

That's what I'm thinkin, cause the front clip doesn't seem to be aligned quite right
Reply
Old Jun 26, 2009 | 02:24 AM
  #29  
Irocz28NCHS's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 100
Likes: 0
From: Casper, WY
Car: 1986 Irocz28
Engine: 305 tpi
Transmission: 700r4
Axle/Gears: stock
Re: Paint Removal!!!

lol my car had the exact same thing just on the right side though. good luck with it.
Reply
Old Jun 26, 2009 | 06:07 AM
  #30  
SolarGoldRaptor's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 588
Likes: 2
From: France
Car: 1984 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am
Engine: V8 5.0L HO (L69)
Transmission: B&W T5
Axle/Gears: 3.73 limited slip
Re: Paint Removal!!!

I arrive a bit late but I used another method to strip my 79 Firebird (five thick coats of paint, and I couldn't sand the last one which was like...not dry).
Heat the paint with a basic heat gun (dont burn it), and scrape it with a razor blade on a stick. It worked amazingly well, it's a bit long and takes a little practice but most of the time, I could remove big chunks of paint straight to bare metal. There were a few areas with bondo, and this is a little harder to remove.
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Frozer!!!
Camaros for Sale
35
Jan 19, 2024 04:55 PM
Vintageracer
Camaros for Sale
12
Jan 10, 2020 05:33 PM
NBrehm
Engine/Drivetrain/Suspension Parts for Sale
1
Aug 25, 2015 11:49 PM
Wife'sCar
Body
4
Aug 22, 2015 01:46 PM
3rdgenparts
Interior Parts for Sale
0
Aug 8, 2015 07:09 PM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:57 AM.