88fastgta

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hey guys.. i have a chance to get a 93 lt1 trans am wing for cheap from a buddy.... i was wondering how do you think it would look on my 88 gta.... my wing has the crappy rubber wing and is in horrible shape.... its so bad that its held on with zip ties..... i will not pay 399 plus shipping for a fiberglass replacement

BlackenedBird

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It will look great & you won't regret doing it. I swapped my fiberglass repro version out for 4the gen, keeping my fiberglass one thinking that in case I didn't like it I could just switch back. A week later I had it up for sale.

Lots of threads on TGO about the 4th gen wings on 3rd gens with pics of them.

88fastgta

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thanks man thats what i wanted to hear... im going to pick one up monday..... i will post pics of my new wing....

BlackenedBird

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I know that you already posted that it is a 93 wing your getting, but in case that falls through or others read this.....Do NOT get a 98+ wing. The rear deck has a slightly different contour to the top & I found out the hard way when I put a 01 wing on. It doesn't sit entirely flat.

And you will hafta make the 2 center post extensions, but layers of lexan/plexiglass will easily accomplish that. You will have to fill the stock mounting holes & drill new ones then repaint, but that is just the kinda thing we gonna do to mod our cars, huh? The 3rd brake is a direct plug-in though, so you won't even hafta mod the wiring.

88fastgta

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thats good to know.. im not worried about drilling new holes that would be easy... since i put a 3 inch cowl hood on my car the wing looks alittle small and im tired of looking at the rotted wing.. the whole car need painting anyways so im trying to get all my parts on the car... i was thinking about cutting the two pieces out and smoothing it... i like what this guy did even tho its on a camaro...

Now this looks badass and looks WAY better than the factory 85-90 wing IMHO

88fastgta

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here is another one.. my gta is the same color as this bird. but i will take out the two center posts..

88fastgta

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Are these wings made of fiberglass. ..

BlackenedBird

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I think it is. I know it is hollow.

WickedCrazy

Yeah fiberglass. And they are hollow. They practically blow up when deer hits them. Ask me how I know......

TTOP350

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$400 plus shipping is a steal compaired to the factory replacement $1,200 or more, when you could get them.
If you drive 140mph and up you will wish you kept the factory style 85-90 wing because it creates downforce instead of lift like the 91-2 plastic wings and the 93-02 wings.
To me, the 4th gen wing looks neat, on a 4th gen.

88fastgta

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Yeah well I will not be going anywhere near 140mph in this car.. I wont even be going over 100 unless I'm at the track which is rarely... I can get the 93 4th Gen wing for 40 bux... I'm not going to pass that up..

2007xl50

40 bucks sounds like a deal, Yeah I need a new spoiler, the rubber is shot, but $400 + shipping sucks. I will not put a 4th gen spoiler on my car, but if you like it-do it.

FueledSoul

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Extending the center posts are easily, however the look of the sides that wrap around the glass that is a different story...

BlackenedBird

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What is wrong with the sides?

FueledSoul

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Its molded to the contours of a 4thgen not a 3rdgen... The end of the arm and rear where the wing mounts will make countact with the deck lid and hatch glass/trim but there will be a arch shaped space in between those two areas that wont make contact with the trim/glass and it will look unfit...

BlackenedBird

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You are correct & incorrect at the same time. I had already indicated to the OP about it, but I'll say it again for your benefit.

The 93-97 wings fit good whereas the 98-02 wings do not, because of the fitment issues you mentioned. So the 93 wing he is getting will fit just fine.

mantaguy

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88fastgta

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well i installed the wing on my car and i like it..... it reminds me of pro mod cars with those wings in the back.... It looks fit to me and it bolts down perfect. if its not perfectly molded to my car who cares... the wings goes pretty well with my cowl hood anyways..... like i said im not trying to win any showroom class or best stock or whatever... it works for me and its alot lighter.... all i need to do now is get it painted as well as the rest of the car...

FueledSoul

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There is no difference, both the high rise hatchs and high rise wings are all interchangeable through out the entire 93-02 model years only change was to the 3rd brake light harness which was changed in 98 that's the only difference period! 4thgen's have always had fitment issues with panels. I parted out a 1995 trans am, pulled the wing and molded it to fit a 3rdgen... there's a gap...

BlackenedBird

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If you were right, then my 01 wing (i made a mistake about the year) would sit flat with the 2 pedestals like the 95 in your pics (remember that I said 93-97 fit, 98+ don't?) but it DOES NOT!

Yes.....There is the slight gap under the forward wing pieces but that is so minimal only a pansy would whine about something barely even seen.

You want a bad fit? Let me show you how the pedestals of a 98+ fits & then you still tell me that they are they same. Sure look different to me from your pic......




Vs the 95 wing shown here who's pedestals sit flat. I didn't take this pic or it woulda been much closer, but I did see it in person & the pedestals SIT FLAT (after they were extended with flat pieces, no moulding required).


This actually a well documented issue here on TGO & your gonna pop up after all the years it has been talked about & claim that all of us have been wrong for all these years? And your basing your perception on what? Your ONE retofit?

88TransAmGuy

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I absolutely love the look of mine..makes Thor look mean(:

88TransAmGuy

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Yes like some other members have said,you have to increase the length of the center posts. I have the info on HOw to in the link in my sig.

FueledSoul

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Nope, all 93-02 high rise hatch's and wings all the same period.
On the 1995 wing i had to extend the two pedestals just like in your pics...
I used wood and fiberglass filler to extend them...

It's not minimal... there is a noticeable gap but even more so at eye level. Also the rear quarter panel design is different on the 3rdgen camaro to the 3rdgen firebird so it may look a tad different.

I also acquired a 01 wing at after i modded the 95 wing both where identical no difference what so ever. everyone knows that 93-02 hatch's and wings are the same and are 100% interchangeable minus the harness..

http://ls1tech.com/forums/paint-body...m-hatches.html

http://ls1tech.com/forums/paint-body...ise-wings.html

BlackenedBird

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[quote=FueledSoul;5305468.....I also acquired a 01 wing at after i modded the 95 wing both where identical no difference what so ever. everyone knows that 93-02 hatch's and wings are the same and are 100% interchangeable minus the harness.....[/quote]

OK, if you say so BUT......Explain how the posts on mine are different? Explain how MANY posts are here on TGO for the last 5 years or so about them being different? Then you pop up claiming that aert identical, after all these years of people having ones that are different? How are mine in my pics different, if they are identical, as you claim they are? I have first hand experience proof that THEY ARE DIFFERENT. Where is your proof, other than claims?

I read your links & nothing but words vs MY PHYSICAL 1ST-HAND EXPERIENCE WITH PHYSICAL PROOF OTHERWISE! Show something PHYSICAL to prove your theory not just words.

TTOP350

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This is just a FYI to all of you from a railroad conductor;
DON'T PARK ON TRAIN TRACKS FOR ANY REASON.... EVER

BlackenedBird

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What year did your week come off of & did you have to do anything more than add flat pieces to extend the center 2 posts? Or did they sit "crooked" & not level after extending them like these didn't?
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o...g/PB230004.jpg
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o...g/PB230003.jpg

88fastgta

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(excuse the tape in the last pic.. i had to hold the wing down so i could mark where i needed to drill at.....)well here are some pics of it installed..between my 3 inch fiberglass cowl hood and the 4th gen wing it almost makes the car look like a pro modified car from the back.. i desperately need a paint job and i will work on the center post on the wing later this week.....

FueledSoul

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I had to extend the posts on mine just like you did to yours. I also ended up selling the hatch i pulled the 1995 high rise spoiler off of to a local club member that had a busted out rear window on his 99 T/A he bought my 1995 hatch and bolted on his 1999 high rise since they where both the same color... There is no physical difference between a 93-97 and a 98-02 high rise spoilers or hatch's... Even on the 4thgen forms people are mismatching years with the high rise hatch's and spoilers...

BlackenedBird

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Again, and this the last time I ask because you have apparently realized your mistake & are not willing to man-up & admit it......WHY IS MY 2001 CROOKED WHILE THE 1997 WING SAT FLAT? Why have for the last 5 years (since I did mine) NOBODY has made the same claim that you are?

Stop talking talk & show picture evidence. I know you can't because you know that you are wrong & can't just man-up to admit your mistake & let everyone move on. Just like you keep ignoring the FACT (as shown in the pictures) that mine is crooked & I guarantee you that it was 100% unmodified when I took those pics.

TTOP350

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Did you remove part of the black metal around your hatch glass??
If so, you do know that helps hold the metal hatch decklid to the hinges right??
The hatch struts push on the metal deck lid and will move it rearward over time. It will be faster now if the metal around your hatch glass is cut off.
You need to remove the hatch completely to swap it out with base firebird glass trim.

BlackenedBird

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I just chiseled those clips off the trim so mine is being held on by only 2 of the 4 wing studs (the 2 under the wing forward pieces...the pedestals just "float" there) now. First thought is that won't work, I know but 5 years now & it hasn't budged.

88TransAmGuy

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Haha correct but look at my thread. They're local tracks that haven't been used in almost 100 yeara

88fastgta

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what metal tracks are you guys talking about????

88fastgta

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i took that whole metal trim thats all around the glass off.... was that a bad idea.... i rarely even open the hatch....

TTOP350

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Having the hatch closed puts more rearward pressure on the rear decklid than having it open will..

deadbird

The trim would also protect the edge of the glass from getting chipped which, keeps it from breaking into a billion little pieces. Tempered glass breaks completely and with a decent amount of force at the size of the hatch glass.
Lottery odds to happen but, one never knows when the odds favour them. jmo

88TransAmGuy

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Mine came off a 95 and yes it wasnt even at first but we mocked up some posts and set it on the deck lid,then used shims to make it even with the decklid

FueledSoul

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"Hi,
All 1993-2002 Pontiac trans ams tall rear end spoilers carry the same part number and are the same year to year. However this part has been discontinued and is no longer available from General Motors.


Thank You,
Norton

GmPartsDirect.com
When replying to emails please include all previous email correspondences so we can better assist you."

I even called my local dealer ship same part numbers 93-02...

I'm not trying to get you upset or prove you wrong i simple have dealt with both the lt1 and ls1 year spoilers and these is no difference like i said ended up selling the hatch i pulled the 1995 high rise spoiler off to a local club member that had a busted out rear window on his 99 T/A he bought my 1995 hatch and bolted on his 1999 high rise since they where both the same color... fit perfect maybe they changed the mold, manufacturing techniques but the **** if i know and its not like im going to have pictures because i suspected a spoiler debate to arise like this if there was then i probably would have and everyone that is buying up hatches and wings for 1993 to 2002 birds would have reported interchange problems but there are none no documented - my wing doesn't fit my hatch etc... even the member that pick up the hatch didn't ask and i had no clue that there was a chance that the 95 spoiler was different from his 99 spoiler... So whats up with the 3rdgeners having spoiler problems? i even had a 01 wing at the time i modded up the 95 and i saw no difference...

BlackenedBird

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OK. In everything you have you said, you have continued to dodge one thing.....Explain my wing fit pedestal problem, as shown by the pictures above..

Explain why the 2 center posts are crooked whiles other sit flat. I understand what your saying & I understand what somebody told you, but I have 100% physical proof otherwise. You are still only providing words. Where are your words to explain the odd fit of mine?

88TransAmGuy

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Do NOT remove the center posts! These wings are actually pretty heavy. Without the center support, the wing will eventually crack down the middle from all the bumps and vibration from driving. Trust me! If you search you can read a few stories about how people who didn't use center posts regret it so much. Go to my body and paint thread. There's a post in there about how to extend the center posts

88TransAmGuy

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88fastgta

What size spacers are on your back tires?

anesthes

iTrader: (12)

So I picked up one of these trans am wings off a '94 or so Monday for $35 (pick and pull).

Should be fun.

What's the preferred method for extending the center posts?

-- Joe

TEDSgrad

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I used wood and carriage bolts with epoxy, then fiberglass over.
I also used neoprene under the wing and feet (no paint to paint contact) which also aids in stiffness, especially at the wing tips. The tape seen here is just to hold the neoprene on as I sand the neoprene block to eliminate any "gap."
First pic shows neoprene, it actually compress more when all four bolts are tightened down but is still visible on the inside as shown. Outside view in pic 2 lies down flat when bolted. Wing tip hardly moves at all, which is good as it sits close to the glass but not too close.

Thirdgen89GTA

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Love the way the whale tail looks on it.

TEDSgrad

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Now I need cut one up and modify for a "track wing." No need for all that drag for street driving...well...maybe....right...yeah....

Thirdgen89GTA

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Why not simply install the mounting bracket for the big spoiler and leave it off for street duty, then bolt it on for track days.

anesthes

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How do you cut the wood to be the shape of the posts?

I've built my own house, but "finish carpentry" is not my thing.

-- Joe

TEDSgrad

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Trial & error. Start with a paper template. Use "pressboard" stock - less chance of moisture absorption. Drill holes to match the bolt holes in the legs. Then drill in some "recess" area for the nut on the carriage bolt so it is flush. Scuff up the area inside the legs so epoxy adheres. Cut the carriage bolt end to desired length after fitted. Use acorn nuts to minimize sharp interference with weatherstripping.

Using a junkyard pull is cheaper - and now I now how to go about doing it. Cut the top off a wing (get a cheap cracked one), Styrofoam on the inside creating the lip, matte over, and glass in. Like a poor man's Meacham wing. Paint doesn't have to be perfect for track day - flat black even. There are no brackets to speak of - four bolts off of wing and four nuts. I'm very confident that four bolts and neoprene will hold tight with no vibration at high speed.
Speaking of high speed - any word of MWF-body date?

Thirdgen89GTA

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May 4th and 5th, 2013.

EDIT: The Road America website was just updated with prices and stuph. http://roadamerica.mfba.org

I'm going to have my car there again, and finally ready for track duty beyond Touring. We are also going to be at the Road America booth at the Chicago Autoshow with a Road America simulator.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/85540264@N02/8084746638/http://www.flickr.com/photos/85540264@N02/8084746638/ by http://www.flickr.com/people/85540264@N02/, on Flickr

TEDSgrad

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Neoprene rubber is an all purpose elastomer and an extremely versatile synthetic rubber used in thousands of applications. Neoprene rubber resists degradation from sun, ozone and weather and performs well in contact with oils and chemicals. Neoprene rubber maintains its strength, flexing, twisting and elongation very well over a wide temperature range while having outstanding physical toughness. Many grades of neoprene are available depending on the application.

Used .093 under feet and at back of wing. Used the 1/2" thick for the "gap" and sanded to fit.
Purchased the two "samples" for $10 each (includes ship).
http://www.rubbersheetroll.com/samples.htm