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Old Nov 4, 2001 | 09:26 PM
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Solid Red Tail Lights, (UPDATED) & Switch Panel

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Old Nov 4, 2001 | 09:31 PM
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Ive been wanting to do that to my tail lights too. I love how it looks. Do you have a "how to" you could post? Id apperciate it, thanks.
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Old Nov 4, 2001 | 10:16 PM
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"180degree trick braking"? Your taillights look good, better than stock

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Old Nov 4, 2001 | 10:17 PM
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Go to the hobby store and buy a can of Testors Candy Apple Red transloucent Paint.

Clean off your tail lights really good and tape everything off and apply two to three layers, till it looks right.

Then use supoer fine 1000 grit sand paper and go over it so its super smooth. Get alittle lacor finish and rub it on their to shine it up, then use some clear coat and spray that on there then rub some more lacor on thier. Let dry for 4 hours and remove the tape. Should look great after words.

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Old Nov 4, 2001 | 10:19 PM
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.(UPDATE)

Yes if I had any common sense at the time and read the article I read, I would have releazied its done by locking up the rear brakes, not turning them off, which can be achived by the parking brake, so a poor choice of words lead to my bashing for all time on this topic

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Old Nov 4, 2001 | 10:23 PM
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how do you accomplish doing that?
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Old Nov 4, 2001 | 10:25 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by un4givin89:
180 degree trick braking is a type of stunt braking used in movies and stuff to create those perfect 180 degree U-Turns, like Kitt in Knight Rider used to always do.

Its done by turning off the brakes in the rear end of the car, so that when you hit the brakes at a fast speed and turn the wheel the rear end swings in the direction you want. Then you turn them back on and jet off.
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Old Nov 4, 2001 | 10:53 PM
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HAHA. Yea that's pretty cool

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Old Nov 4, 2001 | 11:37 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by un4givin89:
180 degree trick braking is a type of stunt braking used in movies and stuff to create those perfect 180 degree U-Turns, like Kitt in Knight Rider used to always do.

Its done by turning off the brakes in the rear end of the car, so that when you hit the brakes at a fast speed and turn the wheel the rear end swings in the direction you want. Then you turn them back on and jet off.
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How do the switched turn off the rear brakes? Do they opperate some kind of solenoid valve that changes the path of the hydraulic fluid? You gotta tell us how you do that man, I've always wanted to try it and scare the **** out of my friends!
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Old Nov 5, 2001 | 07:57 AM
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Actually, I thought if you locked up the rear brakes it would swing around. If you turn OFF the rear brakes, then you will just slide forward. Or did you say that/is that what you mean, and I am confused.

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Old Nov 5, 2001 | 09:02 AM
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Is there any way you can get a pic of the lights when they are on? I am curious to see how the Amber section glows through the red. Does it look different than the other sections? Thanks.
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Old Nov 5, 2001 | 09:13 AM
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lmao at this post...

I love the use of the cheap pepboys/autozone/lappens switches that break really easily , heck , I've seen some that wouldn't hold and would switch themselves whenever the car hit a bump.

that will do wonders when your brakes turn on and off randomly

oh yeah , not to mention that it's just retarded... that switch is way too close to other stuff and it could be accidentally switched on , dude , I don't say this often , but you must be legally retarded...

and please enlightem me on HOW you accomplished to turn off the brakes with a simple switch , sure it's possible ,but I would hope that you would be smart enough to buy a DECENT switch and put it somewhere where you can't accidentally trip it...

anyone has that BS flag animated gf ?

so you want my thoughts and comments ?

I think you need to sell that piece of **** and buy a honda so the ***** crowd will be happy to hang out with you, and I'm not saying that because you have neon or strobes , heck , they can look good when it's done tastefully but your level of intelligence is just about the same as the people with civics and their 7" exhaust tips
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Old Nov 5, 2001 | 09:17 AM
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lmao , this is getting better and better , I checked out your site, and wow , I'm amazed

so you even painted the reverse lights huh ? (I didn't realize you did when I saw the pics) , now I KNOW you must be retarded....

I wish it was legal to shoot people that endanger others for no ******* reason , no reverse lights (yeah I know they're there , but now they're RED and that's just wrong, I don't care how good it looks (I don't think it does anyways) , but you don't paint **** like that ok ?) , switch for turning off your brakes , lmao , yeah that's safe aight , I just hope for you sake that when you screw up and rear end someone I won't be in the car infront of you

I love that steering wheel cover

do you by any chance work at pepboys ?
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Old Nov 5, 2001 | 11:08 AM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by smurfmobile:
lmao , this is getting better and better , I checked out your site, and wow , I'm amazed

so you even painted the reverse lights huh ? (I didn't realize you did when I saw the pics) , now I KNOW you must be retarded....

I wish it was legal to shoot people that endanger others for no ******* reason , no reverse lights (yeah I know they're there , but now they're RED and that's just wrong, I don't care how good it looks (I don't think it does anyways) , but you don't paint **** like that ok ?) , switch for turning off your brakes , lmao , yeah that's safe aight , I just hope for you sake that when you screw up and rear end someone I won't be in the car infront of you

I love that steering wheel cover

do you by any chance work at pepboys ?
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People get more and more mature every day dont they. Come on man, you dont have to rip on the guy just cause you think you can. No, I dont agree with his switch choice, or the position of it, but if I were to tell him that, I would have definately done it in a more mature manner than you did. I dont understand why people like you have to go and rip on people just cause you think know whats best. I would imagine that it is possible to turn off the rear brakes with a simple switch. It could be attached to some kind of solenoid valve that made the fluid flow somewhere else besides the brakes.
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Old Nov 5, 2001 | 12:37 PM
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listen , I don't bitch at poeple for mods that make sense , be it just a visual thing like a neon kit or a blower on a four banger firebird... it's THEIR car , but some things are just stupid ,especially things that endanger others , and that switch does EXACTLY that (if he even hooked it up and it's not just a fake one , which wouldn't surprise me at all).

you know why it's illegal to paint over your reverse lights ? 'cause it's not safe , if see a car backing up, it better have two white lights on in the back , people EXPECT to see that ,and if they don't , they assume the car is not in reverse etc...

what he did was stupid , unnecessary and simply retarded...

My car is customized to the extreme (at least to what I consider "ok" ) , exterior is far from stock , interior couldn't even be called stock anymore , and drivetrain isn't stock at all either.

but I haven't done ONE thing that would not be safe.

pisses me off to see people drive around with fenders half falling off , non working tail lights , or talking on cell phones and cutting people off etc... if you can't follow a few simple LAWS then you shouldn't be driving in the first place...
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I'm not even gonna comment on Smurf's immature comments. But as for your lights: I like them. If I get my IROC, I think I'm gonna try it. As for your switches, I think they look very cheesy. I also don't like the rainbow colors. Just get them all black or all clear or all any color and label them, not all different colors. They are also too big. If I were to do a "switch panel", I would build one inside the console so then they won't get hit on accident. But, its your car, so do what you want.

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Old Nov 5, 2001 | 02:26 PM
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Im going to agree, that the switches do look cheesy, and the location of them isent such a good idea, i dont know about you, but when i drive my car my arm kinda rests there, you dont want to be switching those things on and off it could be dangerous.

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Old Nov 5, 2001 | 02:43 PM
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I think the taillights look good, my neutral box is fubar, my backuplights come on while in park, and it takes some moving of the shifter to get the back up lights to even come on. *Sigh* oh well. I think the switch placement you chose is ideal, but the switches look a little *slants wrist* well.. anyway.

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Old Nov 5, 2001 | 03:08 PM
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you guys don't get it

just because it's his car doesn't mean he can do that stuff... ya know why ? 'cause it's illegal !

there are laws agains stupidity like that, but hey , jump on the bandwagon , I'll laugh my *** off when he'll post about his night in jail after getting busted for his neons

'cause as soon as he leaves them on (or hits that switch by mistake while driving) cops will be all over his ***
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Old Nov 5, 2001 | 03:47 PM
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Hey Smurf's, shut the **** up man. I like my switches and my wheel cover that works till I find the right wheel to replace the stock one. SECOND, in my state its perfectly fine to paint those, I asked a local cop and asked when I got the car inspected. THe only thing danagours on this board is you. You're only showing your age.

But their is no point in aruging with an idiot like yourself, cuase you'll only bring me down to your level and beat me with your experince.
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Old Nov 5, 2001 | 04:28 PM
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Old Nov 5, 2001 | 04:40 PM
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Actually baing able to see the tailights, they look alright. I believe I like the grid-style ones somewhat better though. Maybe it's just that angle of the pic but, those don't seem very glossy either. Not a bad job though.

As for the switches, rocker switches would have been a better route to go, even using different colored ones, they just aren't quite a gaudy.

I don't very much get the 180° brake theory unless you're using the switch to help the car drift thru a turn to compensate for lack of power to do it? Using the E-brake for sliding the rear out (or doing a 180)would make more sense since that's how you (I really,,) do it in a fwd car. Most movies I've watched (and was actually able to pay att'n to)the E-brake starts the slide, is released & then the car is throttled thru the rest of the turn. I think a good example of this is the Beastie Boys 'Sabotage' video.
I'd also believe having a momentary switch would be safer since it would only be active when you pressed it & forsay something went wrong the rear brakes would become active as soon as you let off the switch instead of relying on you to to switch them yourself.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by smurfmobile:
you guys don't get it

just because it's his car doesn't mean he can do that stuff... ya know why ? 'cause it's illegal !

there are laws agains stupidity like that, but hey , jump on the bandwagon , I'll laugh my *** off when he'll post about his night in jail after getting busted for his neons

'cause as soon as he leaves them on (or hits that switch by mistake while driving) cops will be all over his ***
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Just cause its illegal doesn't mean he can't do it. Blackouts are illegal in Illinois and I see cars with them. And I don't throw a tantrum when I see something illegal.

And do you really think he will spend a night in jail for neon lights? I usually don't say this to people on the board, but from now on, just shut up.


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Old Nov 5, 2001 | 06:24 PM
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you asked a cop and he told you it was ok ? LOL , wow

first, so come on , explain to me that way you disengage the rear brakes ? please

second , NO IT'S NOT , you said it yourself , you failed the test because of the taillights (it says it RIGHT THERE On your website) so stop the bull**** ok ? that is not legal in ANY state... put down the crack pipe man

and yes , having neon on WHILE driving is considered "impersonating a police officer" , and for that you WILL spend a night in jail (or more). don't believe me , call your local police station and ask some cops will let it go , others will pull you over and slap handcuffs on you , I've seen it happen so please , stop the bull****

your theory on that 180 degree trick is wrong too , but hey , you would have to prove to me how you did it first , then we'll go from there (I still say you're full of **** and just like fake switches )

blackouts are illegal , and yes people have them , sure some cops don't care while others will make you take them off right there AND give you a nice ticket for 'em (don't believe me , ask others...) , same with tint (over the legal limit).

come on guys , show me some proof , or at least throw out some real arguments

"And do you really think he will spend a night in jail for neon lights?"

that won't do it (and the answer really is YES HE WILL ! in *most* states you can have the neons on in parkings lots and areas when the car is NOT moving , as soon as it moves you're asking for it...).

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Old Nov 5, 2001 | 06:27 PM
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"GRRRRR, I went to get my car inspected and they gave me a rejection sticker. Man that really tweaked me. Apparently they wanted me to put my emissions control stuff back on my car, and my soild red tail lights they didn't like either. I have to have white reverse lights."


THAT is exactly what is on your website right now , umm... so I guess it's legal to paint them right ?

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Old Nov 5, 2001 | 06:34 PM
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Smurf, I have been pulled over several times in Delaware and Maryland for neons and was never sent to jail nor was it ever even mentioned. So, I do not think ANY cop would pull a stunt like that.
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Old Nov 5, 2001 | 06:35 PM
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that's not true

you were just lucky enough to find decent cops.

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Old Nov 5, 2001 | 06:39 PM
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it also depends on color , some states will allow yellow color but nothing else.
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Old Nov 5, 2001 | 06:41 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by smurfmobile:
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Old Nov 5, 2001 | 06:59 PM
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hey , one more question

you say you ran 14.2 with 125 shot of juice.

first of all , do you have a picture of the bottle in your car ?

second , "other switches will be added later for cooling fan, nitrous, etc.", that sounds like you don't have a switch for the nitrous yet , how did you managed to use it ? maybe by saying the magic word "Please" ?

and I like your open element mod too , why not write something about the nitrous kit ?



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Old Nov 5, 2001 | 07:10 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by jobryan26:
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Um, wake up and smell the coffee chief. Massachusetts (along with quite a few other states) have severe penalties for having any type of blue lights on your car. I used to work for Servistar and we had red and blue lights for the Servistar logo up on the air deflectors on top of the truck cabs... Every driver that left our terminal with those lights on got a ticket AND was told to turn them off immediately. We eventually had to disable the lights on all the tractors because of it. The cops dont screw around with the issue. I can only imagine it would be the same with blue neon.

As for the other things posted in this thread... the tail lights look cool, but you would need to run some foglights under your bumper somewhere that turn on for reverse indicators to make it work. Just because you want to look cool doesnt give you the right to put other people in danger man. Thats not only stupid, its just wrong. The swiches are your own choice, but id have them be safety switches if they are out in the open like that.
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Old Nov 5, 2001 | 07:23 PM
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yeah no offense but it does say in your car that you ran with nitrous, but nowere in your site it says you have nitrous. i also guestion your et w/ nitrous only a 14.2 that would mean you have 300 hp and i figured you would run a little faster, also how did you run nitrous car with a non posi, i heard it really f's up your rear. and one more thing, why did you buy a vortec intake, when you dont have vortec heads, the ports are different

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by GMFB90:
Um, wake up and smell the coffee chief. Massachusetts (along with quite a few other states) have severe penalties for having any type of blue lights on your car. I used to work for Servistar and we had red and blue lights for the Servistar logo up on the air deflectors on top of the truck cabs... Every driver that left our terminal with those lights on got a ticket AND was told to turn them off immediately. We eventually had to disable the lights on all the tractors because of it. The cops dont screw around with the issue. I can only imagine it would be the same with blue neon.
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Dude he said "being thrown in jail". In my state they're also illegal here too but they won't throw you in jail for it. Because it's not "Impersonating an Officer" it's because it distracts other drivers just like the old rotating license plate lights. People will be looking at them and cause wrecks just like the Cell Phone ordeal going on now. It's call "Reckless Endangerment" They'll give you a ticket and make you turn them off. But to throw someone in jail for having lights "under" your isn't even close to impersonating an officer. Your state must have some really dumb laws cause I've never seen a copcar with lights "under it".
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The two red toggles in the lower hand coner are for my 180degree trick braking and the speed limiter.
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Well when I want to do a quick 180 (and Ive only done this about 10 times total on a nice WIDE road at about 25-30mph) I feint to right (if I want my car to spin to the left) this unsettles the suspension slightly, and I simply pull the E-Brake and pull to wheel the other direction. The car's rear end will lock up and the rear end will swing around, if you compensate correctly it will work perfect. I have me doing this on video (on a blocked off road.. oh, and Im a pofessional driver ) It can be achieved, but, it takes talent and a little luck... Powerslides are a bit more tricky and we will get into that later

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by smurfmobile:

and yes , having neon on WHILE driving is considered "impersonating a police officer" , and for that you WILL spend a night in jail (or more).
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No sir, you are wrong, I have neon on my car, and I HAVE been pulled over for it. The officer explained that it is Illegal to have the neon on and crusing along because it is distracting to drivers. Simple as that.

But, I like the red tail lights.. Im not so sure about your "trick 180" switch, Ive always found that the ol' E-Brake works quite well. Oh well, to each his own.

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Old Nov 5, 2001 | 08:13 PM
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well at first i must say i was against smurfmobile, but now hes starting to make since. Just try to be a little nicer


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Old Nov 5, 2001 | 08:48 PM
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Old Nov 5, 2001 | 09:23 PM
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"I think this would be awesome. Go around town turning like I'm in some kinda cop movie!"

lmao , oh yeah , if that's not proving my point then I don't know what is...

life is not a movie , that's why they say "kids, don't try this at home"

I just hope that when something goes wrong you hit an 18 wheeler and the only one that will get hurt will be you and not some poor soccer mom with 9 kids in her van...

sorry man , but you're asking to get hurt , no one in their right mind tries to turn off their brakes...
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Old Nov 5, 2001 | 09:32 PM
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I don't remeber saying i had setup anything yet. And neons are legal, i see them all the time. second, i got my car re-inspected at another station and they passed it with the red lights. So kiss my *** . And finally I don't give a **** how you interpt a damn thing I say. I have nothing to prove to you. I don't care who you are or even know you. Nor do you know me. So I could care less. YOu can think I am so bull**** talking rice boy oh well. I'm a bull**** talking rice boy.

Maybe you are jealous of something? What gives you the right to say I should be shoot for painting my lights? Maybe you are just an stuck up dumb **** who needs white lights to tell when someone is backing up.

Also flaming Z the guy with teh red Camaro everyone likes, has soild red tail lights too. Should he be shoot? Cuase he must a be a retard too for doing that.

I personally like my switches, I am a novist, and I appericate the others who made thier comments and opinions, they were objective and helpful, but unlike you who just blantely rips on someone.

Your attacking me speaks volumes of yourself. I see you're only a new member. Well welcome to the board. What a great start.

And I'll let you figure out how the owner of the car ran it with nitrous.

But hey, I am just a bull****ting rice boy right???

I could care less. Whatever, I like my ideas and my car, that makes me happy, and I like seeing other peoples no mater how off base or down to earth.

End of story.

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Old Nov 5, 2001 | 09:42 PM
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lol , ok first of all I've been on this board since 1995 , under a different name and then I changed it when thirdgen lost the non-tech part of the board, but you wouldn't know anything about that...

second , yes that other guy is a moron too

third, just because one station passed you doesn't make it legal , I can take a V6 firebird, put in a 502 big block , no exhaust and have it passed in CA , as long as you hand them over $$$ first... people are corrupted and they'll do anything for $$$ (or they just don't care).

yeah I'm jealous of all the tickets you'll get in the future

umm, yes I guess I'm dumb **** that needs white lights to tell when someone is backing up because that's the whole ****ing point of them. that's like saying that signaling is useless too.. I mean you can see the other car switching lanes , right ?
or how about stopping at a red light ? bah , who needs that... the other drivers will SEE you drive through it ,right ?

I still want to see some proof of you having a NOS kit in your car. so for now , yeah you are just a bull****ting rice boy (NOBODY installs a NOS kit and then an open element cleaner or any other kind of intake mod, that's like taking a stock 305 and putting on a blower but not touching the exhaust or anything else... will you see improvements , sure , does it make any sense, NOPE

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Old Nov 5, 2001 | 09:46 PM
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PS: quoting someone elses 1/4 mile time is pretty pathetic

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Old Nov 5, 2001 | 09:49 PM
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another PS: (I'm full of ideas tonight )

on your webpage , you can finally fill this in

Best 60-0 Braking: 0.5 miles

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Old Nov 5, 2001 | 09:50 PM
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thats nice, good for you. I have nothign further to say about this topic or about you unless its someone elses question.
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Old Nov 5, 2001 | 09:54 PM
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damn... oh wait , no you're still a bull****ting ***** wannabe

no need to say anything , just post a picture of your N2O setup

or if you really want to answer someone's questions explain how you managed to hook up that switch to turn off your rear brakes oh come on man , give me SOMETHING to work with here

I just don't like liars , that's all...

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Old Nov 5, 2001 | 10:03 PM
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Well Smurf, my lights were blue and they never said anything about it being a big deal and that is from two different states. A also went to Clemson University for a while and was never told anything there either.
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Old Nov 5, 2001 | 10:07 PM
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talkin smack

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Old Nov 5, 2001 | 11:15 PM
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Zepher, nope I live off of Baxter Road, Kempsville Area, much nicer townhouses than those old ones of of farell prkwy
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Old Nov 5, 2001 | 11:34 PM
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Hold on Smurf, you get on here all ranting and raving that this and that is illegal. you mean to tell me that you have never spun your tires. Wreckless Driving. Ticket. You have a stock exaust. Noise ordinance. Ticket. People are young. I havent been on here since "1995", but im not an idiot, you dont need to be busting on him for his ideas. "Ideas" thats what they are. If he wanted your opinon on the "trick braking" he would ask. Then you can tell him that it isnt a very good idea and leave it at that. Calm down, you aent his mother. Your acting like a freakin woman. Relax a little.
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Old Nov 6, 2001 | 12:22 AM
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Heh,, I forgot about that profanity thing when I saved that pic

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Old Nov 6, 2001 | 12:12 PM
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lol can't wait to see a pic of someone elses bottle lol

but anyways... so you have a switch for it , but it's not hooked up yet ? plus you don't seem to have any clue on how you're going to accomplish that... hmm , let me think, oh yeah , that's exactly what ricers do

*one day I'll need that huge wing for downforce , just have to add 8 turbos and a bunch of NOOOOOZZZZ* , yeah ok.

I've talked about this with a friend of mine and there is a really easy way to do what you want to do (still stupid , but doable), and all you had to do was to say two words to shut me up , but it still seems like you have no clue about what you're doing...

well I'm done here... have fun fantasizing about your future mods (it's a lot easier then getting out there and actually DOING some of them, right ? ) and maybe one day you'll realize that if you think adding a open element air cleaner assembly is a mod then you shouldn't even think about doing anything to your breaks other than changing the pads or rotors

good luck with whatever crazy mods you plan to do to that poor camaro...

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