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Old Feb 14, 2023 | 08:10 PM
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Why is this?



I know i have this car for sale but I would still like to know if anyone knows. Why did GM make this out of this foam that deteriorates in sunlight? And is replacing it the only fix?
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Old Feb 14, 2023 | 08:24 PM
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Re: Why is this?

Yes the rubber the wing is made of had long since passed its shelf life.

im honestly shocked my wing made it as long as it did. But one of the strakes let go and it’s time to go wingless until I put a fiberglass one on.
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Old Feb 14, 2023 | 08:35 PM
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Re: Why is this?

The fiberglass replacement one looks really great. If no one buys this car I will probably pick one up this summer and paint my car.
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Old Feb 14, 2023 | 09:16 PM
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Re: Why is this?

They should have just stuck with the spoiler that was on the '82-'84 Trans Am & '85-'92 Firebirds...
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Old Feb 14, 2023 | 10:33 PM
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Re: Why is this?

Yea not a bad idea at all.
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Old Feb 15, 2023 | 01:45 AM
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Re: Why is this?

Seems like it should be restorable, but I don't know what would stick to the surface well. Maybe just bondo and sand it smooth. SEM makes a flexible coating that works well, I've used it before on cracked rubber stuff but nothing with that level of deterioration.
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Old Feb 15, 2023 | 03:49 AM
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Re: Why is this?

You don't fool with trying to fix these aero wing spoilers and damn sure not one that is in as bad a shape as the one you have is. When they start going bad they don't quit going bad. They rot from the inside out and they don't stop until they have rotted out their mounting points on the hatch decklid and they still keep rotting until nothing is left of them. They are a cancer that doesn't respond to any treatment except cutting it out before it spreads.

You can pretty it up and make it presentable enough to push the problem off on the next guy if that's your thing. But don't waste no time and effort trying to fix it up nice and expect it to last if you keeping the car. Might as well take your time, effort, and money and light it on fire.

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Old Feb 15, 2023 | 08:24 AM
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Re: Why is this?

If you decide to keep it, Hawks reproduction is the way to go. It's very light and of good workmanship. Previous owner replaced his rotted oem then had it painted flat black like the oem for 1986 models.

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Old Feb 15, 2023 | 09:40 AM
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Re: Why is this?

On mine the extensions that go forward along the glass have already rotted out the mid mounts. The front ones are the only ones keeping it from looking like a wet noodle. I've got to order a hood from hawk anyways, I might go ahead and get a spoiler for this one. Even unpainted it will look better than this.
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Old Feb 15, 2023 | 05:47 PM
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Re: Why is this?

Wow.


I've never seen one so bad yet at the same time have the bottom perch / bolt down areas looks so good.


No fixing these. Just get the repro or install the "Knight Rider" style / base Firebird spoiler.
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Old Feb 15, 2023 | 10:50 PM
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Re: Why is this?

Originally Posted by Komet
Seems like it should be restorable, but I don't know what would stick to the surface well. Maybe just bondo and sand it smooth. SEM makes a flexible coating that works well, I've used it before on cracked rubber stuff but nothing with that level of deterioration.
The problem is that once the paint flakes off and exposes the rubber underneath moisture makes its way down to the steel core. Which begins to rust, and then swell, which splits the wing, exposing more of the core, and more splitting...etc.

These spoilers are NOT worth any level of repair attempt. Once they go, you need to replace them with a fiberglass replacement.

The only time it would be acceptable to 'restore' one would be if you were attempting to restore some 1 of 1 unicorn where a fiberglass replacement would destroy the 'value' of the car since it was no longer original. But lets be honest, one of those cars probably sat its entire life in a climate controlled garage and its spoiler is going to be JUST fine.
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Old Feb 15, 2023 | 10:52 PM
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Engine: LT1, AFR 195cc, 231/239 LE cam.
Transmission: M28 T56
Axle/Gears: 3.23 10bolt waiting to explode.
Re: Why is this?

Originally Posted by Airwolfe
You don't fool with trying to fix these aero wing spoilers and damn sure not one that is in as bad a shape as the one you have is. When they start going bad they don't quit going bad. They rot from the inside out and they don't stop until they have rotted out their mounting points on the hatch decklid and they still keep rotting until nothing is left of them. They are a cancer that doesn't respond to any treatment except cutting it out before it spreads.

You can pretty it up and make it presentable enough to push the problem off on the next guy if that's your thing. But don't waste no time and effort trying to fix it up nice and expect it to last if you keeping the car. Might as well take your time, effort, and money and light it on fire.
Right now when I drive my GTA, the forward strakes of the wing want to flop around like a willie in the wind! lol. Once I hit 88mph it starts waiving its arms like in the air like it just don't care!

Its really time to rip the spoiler off my car, but then I have to seal the holes it left behind till I put a fiberglass one on it.
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Old Mar 10, 2023 | 12:27 PM
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Re: Why is this?

Originally Posted by Carlos89
If you decide to keep it, Hawks reproduction is the way to go. It's very light and of good workmanship. Previous owner replaced his rotted oem then had it painted flat black like the oem for 1986 models.
Never been a fan of two tone color schemes but the black on white looks pretty good. Is the wing painted in a matte finish?
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Old Mar 10, 2023 | 12:40 PM
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Engine: LT1, AFR 195cc, 231/239 LE cam.
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Axle/Gears: 3.23 10bolt waiting to explode.
Re: Why is this?

I kinda like it without the center mount tail light too.

But I think I like the high mount tail light less than having it in the middle of the wing.

With a Fiberglass wing it would be awesome to put a LED brake like strip into the rear of the wing so it didn't change the shape of the wing at all. Kinda like the 4th gens.
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Old Mar 10, 2023 | 02:05 PM
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Re: Why is this?

That would definitely be a more appealing design.
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Old Mar 10, 2023 | 02:51 PM
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Re: Why is this?

Originally Posted by Thirdgen89GTA
I kinda like it without the center mount tail light too.

But I think I like the high mount tail light less than having it in the middle of the wing.

With a Fiberglass wing it would be awesome to put a LED brake like strip into the rear of the wing so it didn't change the shape of the wing at all. Kinda like the 4th gens.
I came across these on TGO earlier today
https://www.spoilerlights.com/sl-cat...aro/1982-1992/
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