who has them, what brand, and where did you get them?

i need them bad and must order some rather quickly for my 91.......so i would appreciate as much help as anyone can give me.

Here's a couple of links:
Russel Braided Steel Brake Lines at Jegs

Earl's Hyperfirm Brake Hose Kits at Jegs

so no one has braided lines?

I have a set buy have not drove my car yet. It has kind of turned into a project. I got mine from Andyz28 on this board. I think he has them custom made. They seem pretty nice but as I said I have not drove the car since I got them.

Ben

Earl's 28A190 is what you need if you have the rear single piston ALUMINUM calipers. The front lines in this kit will fit EITHER the aluminum 1LE dual piston front calipers or the standard single piston iron calipers.
28A180 is for front single piston iron calipers / rear drums
28A520 is for front single piston iron calipers / rear single piston iron calipers.

My guess with the front 1LE lines is that Earl's only makes one set of front hoses that happen to be the proper length for the 1LE calipers, but I can't verify that as I've only used the 28A190 kit.

The only difference is length, really, so if you have the front single pistons the lines will be a little longer than stock but it shouldn't cause any problems.

Actually he will have single piston fronts and alum(1le) rears if it is 4 wheel disk brakes because they used the alum rears on all 4 wheel disk brake cars from 89 on I believe.

Ben

Momar, sorry I missed that. I'll amend my above post.

Stay away from the Russell braided lines.

I'm not sure about the other brands, but the Russell lines use a cheap brass T-fitting on the rear axle. This fitting will break VERY easily.

I know two people who broke theirs simply by bumping them while working on their cars. Mine broke merely from daily driving and my brakes went crap on me. Fortunately it occurred in my driveway.

I contacted Russell and submitted 3 broken lines to them about 4 months ago. I've received all kinds of promises to replace the broken lines, have their R&D examine the lines, and so on. Bottom line, they haven't followed thru on anything. Russell lost me as a customer and I informed them that I'd be sharing my bad experience.

I ended up having a custom line made that uses the factory steel fittings. This is a waaaay better line than the mass produced ones and well worth the $49 it cost me.

Well...

I've never heard anything bad about the Earl's lines themselves. It is a bitch to get the right part number, though, and of course Earl's website is NO help.

The lines themselves are good. IIRC the rear T fitting is made of steel or aluminum and is quite substantial.

I've seen posts before saying the Russell lines are not as good quality as the Earl's lines, so I'll be sticking with Earl's, thank you very much.

I have the Earl's lines on my RS, later fabbed my own for the rear calipers when I converted to a disc rear.
Felt a difference immediately.
Much firmer pedal and I haven't had any troubles with them.
-Rich-

thanks guys, really appreciate all the comments and for taking the time out to reply!

i just ordered my earl set, should be here monday......can't wait!

I also have a set on order (two, actually): One for my second thirdgen (91Z) which is getting a set of front and rear 1LE brakes just like my 84 (yes, I like the 1LEs), and the other for my mom's '79 vette.

I don't like rubber lines.

Nice post count Hawk. You might want to change that.

I have Russell ss lines. However I've been using a stock GM rubber line for 7 months now where the hard line connects to the axle housing because my line broke. Mine is one of the 3 Bret sent for evaluation and replacement. When the line originally broke last year I contacted Russell. I was told by the lady I spoke with that they would replace the line free of charge. But she was unable to give me the name of a SINGLE distributer I could take it to for replacement. Pep Boys used to stock them, but they wouldn't even special order one anymore. Since I'm roughly 1 hrs drive from the factory I could even go there, if that were an option. To put it mildly, I am very dissapointed with their response and timely replacement of the defective line. Lon

Wow, thanks for the info, guys... I was thinking about the Russell lines for this summer. Now, no way in hell will I pick a set up; I'll go with Earls (or just regular rubber) instead!

Pick up the Earl's. It makes a noticeable difference in pedal feel.

Do they make a kit for only the front, because I already have braided rear. I want to change the front, because my car pulls to the right when I get on the brake, and I was reading in another thread that this is a probable cause of it.

Ben

Sure, order the kit for the drum brake cars. Those only come with three lines, the front two and the center rear.

Would it be worth it, though? The right rear caliper would still have an original hose. Haaaaay... wouldn't that mean that from the factory, there's been uneven braking pressure between the left rear caliper (hard line) and right rear caliper (hose)? Anyone thought of replacing that right rear hose with a regular 'ol steel line? It'd be a pain to change pads, but...

Was the idea of a brakepad change the only reason that GM used a hose on the right rear caliper? I know they used a hard line on the left rear because of the tight clearance, but why bother using a hose for the other side? Know what I mean?

I guess that might be my only real option. And yes it would be worth it. My 3 rear ones are already braided lines. I have the 89+ rear disks in my car. These had rubber lines on both sides and middle instead of just one side and the middle. I bought a 87 3.45 9 bolt and just finished converting it to the newer brakes and put it in my car. I put the braided lines on the back then. I got them from AndyZ28 on the boards. He had them custom made I believe but seem to be real good quality. How much does the kit for the drum rear cars cost from earls?

Ben

No clue. Go punch in 28A180 in the manufacture's part # search at summit racing...

It is about $70. Are you sure that is the correct # because it doesnt give a description other than chevrolet brake line kit or something. I just wouldn't want to buy the wrong thing.

Ben

Yeah, that's the right onw. Summit's descriptions of the Earl's kits SUCKS. I usually browse Jeg's, grab the part number from there, and then order from Summit.

28A180 84-92 Camaro with Front Disc

Actually, before you order them, I got a deal to make with you.

Check the price on 28A190. A friend of mine needs the rear lines only. You need the front lines only. AFAIK there's no good way to get just the rears.

Would you be willing to buy the full kit (which is about $99) if I were to send you the difference in price, + some S&H, + a little extra for your trouble in exchange for the rear two lines?

That might be a possibility. Would he pay 45 plus the shipping to him. I would pay 55 plus the hanling fee from summit? Let me know. This was not the first thing I was going to do with my money being as my car is not running yet (new motor) but if he is wanting to do it now, I have the money and can do it now. Find out if he wants to do this and if he is wanting to do it now or when.

Ben

Momar,

I'm going to take this to e-mail. You have mail.

I will check it when I get home. I should be there in 20-30 min. I will leave here in about 10 min.

I just got a set of Russel's ...dammit.

Oh well, we'll see

99Hawk120 is wrong. The 28A190 does not fit iron front calipers.
https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...postid=1236829

Tim

Wish you would have told me that about a year ago when this thread was new. lol. Anyway, they may not fit, but can be made to. I just had to grind the corners off of the spot that mounts to the caliper so it was shaped a bit more like the ones that are made for the iron calipers. The holes are the same. The bad thing was I didnt figure this out til I had already shipped the rear ones off and couldnt return the fronts that I had because they were a set.

Ben

If that's the case, I'm sorry for the bad info. I don't have iron calipers on any of my cars, that was second hand information from a friend that does. I could have sworn he had the 190 kit...

A some point when I upgrade my brakes I want to go braided/or stainless (and earl's seems to be the way to go..)

why choose braided over stainless and vice versa

The stainless are for the hard lines. There are flex lines that connect the hard lines to the callipers. These are ones you use braided for.

Ben

I just ordered the Russell lines. It's been 3 years since anyone posted on this subject so has anyone had any good/bad experience with the Rusell lines since?

I happen to have Russel lines on the front of my RS but I only use Earl's or Goodridge lines now. Russel has had some complaints on the line fittings cracking but mine haven't. Good luck with your lines.

Ed

i had one come apart at the fitting and another one split internally. changed to earl's and all was well. i have ss lines on the front now because that's what came with my baer setup which seem to work just as well though.