Changing from a closed loop to a open loop carb?
Changing from a closed loop to a open loop carb?
I need some help here plz :-)
I currently have a 87 camaro with 305 LG4 motor complete stock, and crappy q-jet carb that has been given me nothing but problems! (running rich no matter what i do) My mechanic has suggested this, switch over to a open loop carb, meanin no computer, sensors or emissions control on the carb. I want to get away from having to to deal with the computer i just want an old style carb.
Now what is involved in doing this? How do i bypass the computer? Do i have to change anything in the car and why?
Why should this affect the TQ converter, if at all?
I ve read a couple of posts on the board about this but im just utterly confused here! I need a good explanation
I also need suggestions on a carb to buy, i dont really have a lot of money right now, but i would like to know what u guys think thx.
I currently have a 87 camaro with 305 LG4 motor complete stock, and crappy q-jet carb that has been given me nothing but problems! (running rich no matter what i do) My mechanic has suggested this, switch over to a open loop carb, meanin no computer, sensors or emissions control on the carb. I want to get away from having to to deal with the computer i just want an old style carb.
Now what is involved in doing this? How do i bypass the computer? Do i have to change anything in the car and why?
Why should this affect the TQ converter, if at all?
I ve read a couple of posts on the board about this but im just utterly confused here! I need a good explanation
I also need suggestions on a carb to buy, i dont really have a lot of money right now, but i would like to know what u guys think thx.
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It has been covered several times in other posts. But first, do you have to worry about emissions? I hope not, since your mechanic is suggesting something that is illegal.
The cheapest, easiest, and best for long-term driveability and economy is to get your computer controlled carb fixed up. Period.
Now, if you're hell-bent on going through with this, and get new parts, you're looking at a q-jet type of spreadbore base carb, and new q-jets from Edelbrock go for about $400. Others are available, but they're not q-jets. Or, you can get a used q-jet and take your chances there, and go through the rebuild and tuning routine that is bound to be needed.
If you go with a square-base carb like a Holley, Demon, or Edelbrock, they won't bolt to your stock intake manifold. You'll either need to get an adapter, which will raise the height of the carb and air cleaner, or get a new intake manifold that will accept either the q-jet or squarebore (like Edelbrock Performer or Weiand Action+). You're looking at another $100 there, or about $150 for an EGR version.
You will also need a different distributor, since the computer needs the carb input to properly operate the ignition. A mechanical/vacuum advance HEI or other aftermarket unit will run you at least $175. If you get a used HEI unit, you'll want to upgrade the coil and module, since the factory stuff is junk.
If you keep the EGR valve, you'll need a vacuum-only version to replace the one controlled by the computer you have now.
All of this will make your computer completely brain-dead, so you'll have to either hook up a toggle switch to lock up your torque converter, or get a $75 kit from Summit or Jegs to do it.
So, with new parts, you're looking at a minimum of about $475, probably more like $650-700. You're also looking at a good bit of time to do the conversion and get it all tuned. With used parts, you don't know exactly what you're getting until you disassemble/rebuild/install and try to fire it up.
Or, you could take your carb off, mail it to Jet Performance, and about a week and $300 later you'll have what's basically a new carb.
This is, of course, assuming your original statement about the carb causing your problems is true.
The cheapest, easiest, and best for long-term driveability and economy is to get your computer controlled carb fixed up. Period.
Now, if you're hell-bent on going through with this, and get new parts, you're looking at a q-jet type of spreadbore base carb, and new q-jets from Edelbrock go for about $400. Others are available, but they're not q-jets. Or, you can get a used q-jet and take your chances there, and go through the rebuild and tuning routine that is bound to be needed.
If you go with a square-base carb like a Holley, Demon, or Edelbrock, they won't bolt to your stock intake manifold. You'll either need to get an adapter, which will raise the height of the carb and air cleaner, or get a new intake manifold that will accept either the q-jet or squarebore (like Edelbrock Performer or Weiand Action+). You're looking at another $100 there, or about $150 for an EGR version.
You will also need a different distributor, since the computer needs the carb input to properly operate the ignition. A mechanical/vacuum advance HEI or other aftermarket unit will run you at least $175. If you get a used HEI unit, you'll want to upgrade the coil and module, since the factory stuff is junk.
If you keep the EGR valve, you'll need a vacuum-only version to replace the one controlled by the computer you have now.
All of this will make your computer completely brain-dead, so you'll have to either hook up a toggle switch to lock up your torque converter, or get a $75 kit from Summit or Jegs to do it.
So, with new parts, you're looking at a minimum of about $475, probably more like $650-700. You're also looking at a good bit of time to do the conversion and get it all tuned. With used parts, you don't know exactly what you're getting until you disassemble/rebuild/install and try to fire it up.
Or, you could take your carb off, mail it to Jet Performance, and about a week and $300 later you'll have what's basically a new carb.
This is, of course, assuming your original statement about the carb causing your problems is true.
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