Well first of all, I'm glad you're okay. That's a pretty nasty wreck, and I'm sure it hit you pretty hard (mentally and physically).

Second, if this is your first fishtail, then congrats on holding it for a block. I drift my formula once in a while (fender and quarter panel shows it ) and I know how unpredictable and squirley the suspension can get when you're sliding. Sometimes you can't get traction, other times you can't loose it, sometimes you'll loose it and it'll grab suddenly and throw you the opposite way. Also, if you think even the slightest bit you can't maintain control, just ease off the throttle. Don't just let go, or it'll grab too suddenly (lost my door from this, after going around the final left in a slight s-curve)

Third, was the fishtail brought on, on purpose? or did it rain earlier that day (because it looks overcast in the pics) You can tell us if it was on purpose, we wont think you're a bad driver if you lost it... I wont at least.

 

it did rain earlier that day. at the time i was driving kind of crazy but the fishtail was not on purpose. i just took off too fast. once it shifted into second when i was coming out of the turn the back end went wayyy out.more than ever before. this was not my first fishtail i had done it hundreds of times before. usually it never happened like that but i guess maybe my rear end decided to spin both tires that day instead of just the one like usual. i kept the pedal down b/c usually when i fishtailed it i could regain control. this was the first time it slid out the other way like it did. usually the driver rear tire never would spin so i guess it was at the time thats why it did what it did. i didn't keep the pedal down b/c of panic...i was just trying to correct it since the driver side of my car never slid out before that much. when i paniced thats when i hit the brakes and my car slid off the road. that is what honestly happened and thats all im gonna say about it. if you all didn't know...i did break my pelvis in three places but im getting around fine and im walking normal now.
the other day i decided to make a video of my car from when i got it to the day i wrecked it so heres the link. http://videos.streetfire.net/video/0...7f00e42e18.htm

 

Wow, sorry about the pelvis. As for your answer, that just shows how unpredictable these cars can become concerning things like this. Always be careful man, best wishes.

 

Oh come on man don't lose faith..that will buff right out. lol good to hear you are ok. i had a wicked accident last year and was lucky to be alive as well, kinda makes you think twice when you start driving again. good luck with ur next one

 

"...held it for about a block..."
And yet, you were only doing about 30mph....


"...i did countersteer...about 5 times..."
But you weren't playing around...


"i know how to drive...
At 16 yrs old, I don't know HOW many times I said that too...


"...really the reason i crashed was because i tried hitting the brakes and thats why my car slid off the road"
Yet you HELD it for "...for about a block..."


"...the road was wet..."
And yet, there isn't a SINGLE spot of water on the car or the tires. Camera phone...sure...But they still pick up on reflections and such.


"i was fishtailing it wouldn't stop so i hit the brakes"
Let's see...
you held it for a block...counter steered 5 times, but were only doing about 30mph...

"my rear end decided to spin both tires that day instead of just the one like usual"
I thought you said it isn't a posi? And your profile shoes "3.73 LSD". LSD is Limited Slip Differential which means posi.

"usually the driver rear tire never would spin"
On open rears, only the drivers side get power. The passenger side doesn't ANY power, unless it is a posi.



I SO tried not to post...But after reading the whole thread, I just couldn't NOT post...

Yes, I'll **** you off (I'm sure of it), I may even aggravate others by saying all this. Part of life...

You were playing...

 

I couldnt have said that better

 

I've been through this before. Twice. When I was 17 I bought an 87 camaro (my first car) Then three months later right before I turned 18 I wrecked it but I didn't want to give up on it so I worked all the time during school to get it fixed. Then after I got new paint and a front end on it I wrecked it again after three months, same accident only it was snowing. Now I'm finally fixing it right again and I'm going to garage it for three months. I guess the lesson you should learn from this is to keep right on going but be careful and learn from your mistakes. I know your car really isn't fixable like mine was, but I imagine you'll have another camaro sometime and this time You'll be that much smarter. Good luck with that!

 

Well, Stephen got it pretty good, but muck like he, I can not resist the temptation to reply after reading most of the responses.

As the odds show the propensity of the possibility of a repeat performance, I'd have to say you show a surprising lack of experience and objectivity stating that as if you are somehow immune to misfortune. This accident should have illustrated to you how incorrect uttering that nonsense is in actuality.

I don't need to, nor want to. In fact I fervently hope you live nowhere in my driving proximity.

Yes, apparently.

You show such skill I am bedazzled. No, not really.

Again, putting aside the apparent reasoning that this is in fact implicit in your previous statement, I am glad that you state the apparent obviousness to those of us who failed to realize that the proper way to drive and/or handle a car is to attempt to create some carnal physical relationship with it and a large phallic symbol conveniently erected by the phone company for such use. Granted, it was so apparent that that you felt the need to proclaim it. We may never have realized your world renowned skill at handling a vehicle had you not so informed us. Thank you.

Whatever could have possibly lead you to this conclusion?

Really? I would think the part where you lost control would be the main reason behind that.

Yes.

That would require knowledge that you do not have. This is quite apparent since you didn't do it and decided to let your car fornicate with some wood.

No, I'm sure we would be coming up with some ridiculous names intimating your level of sophistication, intelligence, maturity, looks, sexual preferences, genus, etc. I'm sure someone of your towing intellect and skill understands how that goes.

No, of course not. Those of us that have a few more trips around that big gaseous ball of plasmated junk know exactly how much skill, maturity and prowess a sixteen year old male has behind a sports car. Heaven forbid we question your abilities.

My, how did that get in there?? I must have misquoted somewhere....

I'm sure. There is a member floating around somewhere who is a part owner of some world wide drag racing venture that you'd get along famously with. Then again, there is a fur smitten one around here that you may in fact get along with well as well.

No, in and of itself the car does not mean a thing, it is the operator that would make it worse, however, since you have informed us of your overall prowess behind the wheel, we should have no reason to draw any implicative thoughts with regard to the extent of any future accidents should anything this unfortunate happen again with you piloting the vehicle.

I've seen much much worse. Without a proper reconstruction there is no way to know that and those snap judgments made at the scene are incorrect far too many times to put any stock in them. But if you feel that you need this for bragging right or some such, please, don't let us spoil your fun.

In what context?

Take some engineering courses and get back to us.

Watch out, your experience is showing.

Oooo... now your knowledge is hanging out. Try again.

Contextually. If you are comparing your... wait, I forgot you are a god behind the wheel, forgive me for doubting... no never mind, keep it.

I'm sure the same was said prior to the purchase of this one. Granted, you did allow it some fornication leeway... maybe you should have given it a condom.

Glad, contextually, that you are ok. Don't let it happen again. Now man up and tell us you were really screwing around, tried to see how long you could slide in the hydroplaned tank and lost it.

 

(In response to Red Devil) BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. I can't say that I've never lost control of a car in a power slide. I can't say that I haven't had a car get loose on me all of a sudden, but I knew what I did was stupid, and my own fault.

 

Wow lets bash the kid for wrecking his car. Grow up guys.

We all play in our cars sometimes, and **** happens. You say that you have never been in a wreck, I hope you don't jinks yourselves.

It can happen to anyone.

And on a non posi-traction rear end, both tires can get power with equal amount of grip, but either tire can spin if traction is lost.

A differential is just that, it has the ability to drive either wheel.


/edit:

"On open rears, only the drivers side get power. The passenger side doesn't ANY power, unless it is a posi."

If this was true, wouldn't the car want to go to the right all the time ?

 

In no way is anyone bashing him for wrecking his car, it's his posturing and his Zdzislaw Byrczekness ( ) that offends most who have responded. Now you can go back to explaining how everything works for us. Thanks.

 

red that was quite brilliant, :bravo:

good reading

 

I can't believe Word Devil didn't pick up on this one.

 

LOL

That's mad power from a LO3 to spin tires for an entire block. I'm sorry your wrecked your car dude but don't sit here and talk **** like you did nothing wrong. **** happens, take your lumps and deal with the peanut gallery. As far as handling something with more power than your vert, um that's not too hard.

Be careful next time for everyone's sake.

 

ok fine. you all know i was messing around. no need to twist all my words and bash on me for wrecking my car that i had been building for the last three years. you guys really make me feel great. i felt bad enough already for wrecking my car and i know i was in the wrong but you just have to rub it in and make me feel like complete ****. you talk about me not being mature? take a look at yourself. i honestly swear to God that i am not lying about the road being wet. would u like to see the location? ill take pictures if you want. where i started fishtailing was under a bridge....u know...where it might take the sun a little longer to dry off the road. im not trying to make up excuses anymore but the accident was not 100% my fault and you all know it. you must really know your rear ends too. im very proud of you that you are completely wrong. my car would never spin the driver side tire alone. 90% of the time it was the passenger side only. the other 10% was both tires. never just the driver... watch my video and tell me im wrong about that.

 

In the 70's there was a very good dirt track motorcycle rider, I wish i could remember his name he is mentioned in the movie "On Any Sunday", anyway he said "you don't know how fast you can go until you loose it, then the next lap you go a fraction slower".
That how we learn, by playing. Sometimes its just a little more expensive than others. Madmax was lucky many times.

 

Eh, don't take them so hard. You had to figure someone was going to chew you out in a 2 page thread. Both tires spun due to the low traction surface and a hard weight transfer. I don't doubt that you have controlled the car through many slides. The problem when it rains, is that the surface is also unpredictable (as well as the whole suspension). It can be light rain, hard rain, raining for a long time, just started, the local ***hole spilled a quart of oil in the middle of the street, your tires could be hot, could be cold, the list goes on.

If you wish to become proficient in power sliding, or like wise drifting, practice in a wide open, even surfaced area, with no people around and nothing to hit. Once you become good on a dry area, try it when it rains. Remember, you'll go a lot farther with the lower amount of traction if you loose it, so choose your location wisely. I don't recommend you use a parking lot; It's illegal, people/cars may enter it.

Now for those of you who think it's impossible to do what he did, you have to remember that while the engine may not be that powerful, he had two great forces working against it. The turning power, and the large lateral force from making the turn. Now judging by what you've said, my guess is you rammed on the throttle a little early, so by the time entering the turn, you were probably doing 15-20. That doesn't seem like a lot to most of you, but If he's slid before, he knows to hang close to the side of the turn. If anyones tried to take a right turn at 15-20, they know there is quite a bit of force on you. Combine that with the torque from the engine, and the slippery surface and you've got an easy slide. Holding the slide for a block is also not impossible. Tie a string to a brick, and try to drag it across some plywood. It takes less force to keep it moving once it has started. This is true with the tires. Also, if hes still in the slide, again that's two forces working against the tires.

Now guys, he's made a mistake and admitted it, his car is suffering the concequences, he's still healing, and I'm sure he's learned from it. Time to give him a break, eh?

 

See, now you've learned 2 lessons. The first is to not drive like an idiot, and the 2nd much more important lesson, is to take responsibility for your actions and stop blaming it on everything around you. You screwed up, and after a lot of coaxing, you finally admitted it. Next time you screw up, just admit it up front instead of making up a hundred excuses, and you'll learn how much easier the truth really is.

 

Odd, I've driven on wet pavement hundreds of times without wrecking... you were going too fast dude... it was your fault.

 

 

Really? Who else was involved? Did somebody force you to spin out? Were you trying to avoid a dog that had run out in front of you or something?

From what you've posted, it was your own inexperience and ignorance that caused the incident - nobody else's. If no-one else was involved, it is 100% your fault. Grow a set and admit it.
It certainly wasn't my fault.

It sucks that you got hurt and destroyed your car, but maybe you've learned a lesson. Maybe.

 

haha okay guys. next time i do something stupid ill be straight up with you. thanks for the tips douchermann

 

If it is an 89 TPI car with a 5.7 I might be interested in the computer and the MAF.My 89GTA is having electrical issues right now and I replaced a ton of stuff.I might want to try replacing the computer,but thats an expensive thing to try just to experiment.It runs and drive fine,and starts fine when it is cold,but when it is hot it wont start unless I prime it with some carb cleaner into the intake.I have replaced every possible part except the ECU

If you are interest in selling either one of these parts{and you know they are good} you can Email me at Racer7391@aol.com.Thanks.

 

wow i didnt think a TBI car could go that fast