vicman

Hey guys I'm so sorry for been away for so long but I'll get that # from my dash as soon as I get back home, thank's.

vicman

Hey guys I'm so sorry for been a way for so long but I'll get that # from my dash as soon as I get back home , thank's.

okfoz

2xx I don't remember exactly Want to think 265 or so, but I am probably more than likely wrong.

John

vicman

Hey guys this is the last 6 digits of my vin on my ASC: 119756. I hope it helps.

okfoz

Out of curiosity, what is the sequence number on the RH side of the dash. You gave the VIN, which is helpful. But being a 2.8, it should have a number on some sort of plaque or something on the dash. The Cars ordered through RPO codes did not get the sequence number, but those Camaros that were dealer special ordered through ASC.

John

slimwhitman

vicman - We need the 6th digit from the VIN as well so we know if it was a "factory ASC convertible" vs a dealer-ordered ASC convertible? You will not have a passenger's side glovebox door number that John is requesting if the car has a sixth digit of "3". As John requests: If your sixth digit is a "2", then you should have a limited edition number on the RH side of the dash....what is that dash number?

Vehicle Identification Number Example: 1G1FP2184NL100000
First Digit Nation of Origin: 1=USA, 2=Canada
Second Digit Division: G=General Motors
Third Digit: 1=Chevrolet, 7=GM of Canada('83-'88)
Fourth & Fifth Digit Body Style: FP=Camaro Sport Coupe, FS=Firebird, FW=Trans Am
Six Digit: 2=Hatchback, 3=Convertible
Seventh Restraint Codes: 1=Manual Belts, 2 or 3=Manual w/ Driver Air Bag, 4=Auto Belts
Eigth Digit Engine: See Engine Codes Below
Ninth Digit is Check digit
Tenth Digit Year: H=87, J=88, K=89, L=90, M=91, N=92
Eleventh Digit Production Plant: N=Norwood,Ohio, L=Van Nuys
Last Six Digits increase by one with each car built at each plant

88CamaroConvert

okfoz

88CamaroConvert...

If your 6th digit of your VIN is a 2, then it would technically be a conversion, if it is a 3 then it is a convertible as ordered by the Dealer. Although they could be identical otherwise.
VIN 1G1FP31 = Convertible
VIN 1G1FP21 = Coupe

BASSr

Not necessarily, what is the 6th digit of your VIN code? Factory would be a 3, 1 or 2 then it has been modified by other than ASC.

88CamaroConvert

The VIN is gone, the car has a salvage title, how do i tell if its an rs, iroc, z28 also, the rear bumper cover was replaced and all the badges just say camaro

BASSr

Now that's a good question. I am not sure how to tell you how to proceed.

What else can you tell us about the car? Most likely an IROC convertible but hard to tell if all the badging and VIN plate are gone.

Any one else have any ideas?

88CamaroConvert

I did find some z28 badges in the trunk, I dont know if they are from this car or not, what would help? pics? what other info?

BASSr

Is the console still there? (look for the RPO codes) Look around for anything that would help identify it that is still attached to the car, also send some pic's.

Anyone else here know some tell tale items on these (kinda like look for the dual fuel line on 1st gen's that only SS's had???)?

okfoz

The VIN is located in several places:

BASSr

The full VIN? I thought that was only the last 6 digits they stamoed in other places of the car, not the full VIN.

88CamaroConvert

Heh, since this is a convertible thread i guess i didnt pay attention before but i found the stamp in the first pic
As you can see in the rest of the pics, most stickers and worn or taken off, ill post what i can but i dont know what most of these numbers mean

88CamaroConvert

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BASSr

Look a little closer at the 2nd picture. At the bottom, there is another label that I can see that looks like it ends in "SC". If the begining of this is ASC, then I would have to assume that this is a "factory" authorized convertible conversion done by ASC.

Now the tricky part. According to GM, the 6th digit of the VIN should be a 3. I see in the picture of the console for the RPO's an "8" in the 6th digit location.

On the home page of this website, you can download and install an RPO decoder that will tell you what all the 3 digit codes are for the car that was built. Note here that the VIN code on that "might" not be for this car unless you find the last 5 digits stamped somewhere else on the car.

Weird to me.

Anyone else have any input on this?

88CamaroConvert

Found out the console is not from this car =/ its from a 86 and my car is for sure an 88

okfoz

You might still have the stickers on the rear quarters and the inner fenders...

John

1 Love

Here is my 85 camaro z28 that i've been working on. ENJOY

slimwhitman

Very nice! Do you know what coach builder converted your car?

bluehudson

I bought an 1983 camaro, 2 seater, convertable, does anyone have a clue about how many were converted in 1983???

1 Love

Mine was done by matrix. I have a plate with the name and a number by the door striker. i,m currently replacing the 305 HO motor with a 5.3 Vortec motor and trans combo.

okfoz

You will probably like the 300 HP 5.3L Vortec...

nickdiesel

Z28's were not made in 1988 so its either a Iroc convertible or just a regular camaro convertible. The regular camaro convertibles could be ordered with the 305 5 speed or auto. I believe all 350 autos were Irocs.

okfoz

There was no 350 IROC convertibles in 1988+ There was 4 made in 1987 as ASC conversions.

jagman1

I have a Matrix3 coming up for sale next week.

slimwhitman

Please post some photos when you are ready. Be sure to include some top-up and interior shots. Can't wait to see it.

rainmaker70

Some matrix3 and autoform info. I just did a GM archive vehicle invoice on my autoform and one of my matrix3 cars, and it showed nothing out of the ordinary just the cars getting delivered to the dealers as complete cars. Does this mean the dealers decided on which cars got converted. Also none of my cars started life as t top cars.

slimwhitman

Yep. GM had absolutely nothing to do with the conversions (until the ASC convertibles in '87). Autoform and Martix3 both marketed to Chevy/Pontiac dealers to get them to have conversions done as showroom specials. They also often displayed at local auto shows to get perspective owners to have the dealer order them a conversion.

The dealer would order whatever trim level or option package cars the buyer wanted or they thought would interest a perspective buyer (from strippers to lux or sport models). Converting a T-top car would be more expensive, since they would be cutting off the extra-cost T-tops anyway. Sure...the T-top cars came with extra reinforcing, but the coach builder reinforced as needed for T-top or non-T-top cars.

Rare Bird Conv.

Hello,I'm new to the site and find it very informative.I have an 88 ASC Formula vert. I contacted ASC with my VIN.and it is the 69th of 104,it started out as a T-top.It has the ASC limited edition sticker in the door jam The car is black on black on black w/ 45K original miles.I'm the second owner since 1990.Originally purchased in So.Calif.and has always been in Calif. garaged and pampered.

Michael Malpass

They have most likely changed out your rear end. I have an 83 autoform camaro in white. The car was transformed at the dealer and they would have taken the back seats out. I can send u pics of mine if you need. I am still in restoration mode, I have been offered almost 12,000.00. Try Hagerty's for insurance though

okfoz

When did you contact ASC for this information? Have we spoken before?

two-if-by-sea

iTrader: (22)

Someone posted this one over in the regional section. 86 Trans Am. A little different, not sure what it is. Pics attached for future reference. Matrix3? Appears to have a Z20 spoiler attached?
http://norfolk.craigslist.org/cto/4397904153.html

okfoz

It appears to be quite the modified car... Not sure who made the conversion, but the spoiler does appear to resemble the z20... Also the seats are from a Camaro or Cavalier, Firebirds never had the "High Back buckets"

It also strikes me that the car may have been a T-top car but started as a Hard top, but it is hard to tell from the pictures...

John

two-if-by-sea

iTrader: (22)

They are constantly on EBay and AutoTrader, and many of them have ultra low miles. The owners always seem to be very proud of them, repeatedly speak of how rare they are, and ask crazy prices.

SolarGoldRaptor

Here's a couple unfortunate samples in the UK :
A 1984 Trans Am, it appears to be a Straman convertible. It was for sale complete in october of 2012 and I nearly bought it, but it had been sitting for a long time with broken windows as it was vandalized...oh and the title was lost or somethng :
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1984-Ponti...item338e6d02b7

A 1984 Camaro Matrix from mister unlucky... :
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1984-CHEVR...item19ec7e90ab

86B4Z

X2. Its obviously had paint work done (hard paint line around decals) & $19.5k ? Im not trying to flame but even if it was showroom perfect i cant see paying that kind of loot for sonething thats not GM authorized. If it was, say a 1LE one off 'vert well then different story.

mrwizard43

Help..I have a 1989 Iroc that was converted to a convertible by a company in New York called convertible concepts. Would like to have any info that is available. It is a manual top and has a glass rear deck. Thanks Bill

slimwhitman

Hi Bill,
I will dig thru my files but your conversion sounds very interesting. I have only ever found a few post-'87 f-body convertibles that were not ASC built. I would really like to see a few photos of the car to compare it to other conversions. That would include overall photos, trunk lid, top up, rear seat area with top up. Does it have a Convertible Concepts label or badge? Where? Feel free to send to my email at kcdesoto1 (at) hotmail (dot) com.

mrwizard43

Help- I have an 89 that was converted near Rochester NY around 1990. Have no idea what kit was used. Will try to post pics. Thanks

slimwhitman

Hi Bill,
You sent me those photos and I have yet to go thru everyphoto from my archive. Regardless…Iwould not be able to tell you how all the parts go together. You should dig thru the old posts in the convertibleforum and look for other members with similar cars.

Here is my assessment from previous comparisons I have made:
Buffalo Conversion Corp: Cannotdetermine, my photos are terrible of this one, but is in upstate New York!!
R. Straman Company:tiny trunk. Straman is the only company I have found still doingthis conversion after 1987, but located in SoCal.
Convertible Concepts/Auto Sunroof Inc: tiny trunk lid.
Hi-Line Customs: tinytrunk lid.
Coach Conversions: tinytrunk lid.

If you choose to send me photos like the ones I include here, then I can compare even further.

TRANSAM82-92

iTrader: (1)

I hope those NON ASC convertibles never need gaskets or seals...

okfoz

Do post some pictures... also take some full shots of the car with the top up and down...

I assume there are no stickers or any paperwork with the car...

John

jovibuilt

I was looking at this car.Whats is it worth?

okfoz

The "Rule of thumb" I use is a convertible is worth about 1.5x to 2x what a similar coupe or T-top is worth. However being that it is not an ASC or Autoform that throws a wrench into things.

The Autoform and ASC bring the most, I think just because of the massive amount of cars actually made. The ASC is by far the easiest to get parts for (no convertible 3rd gen is "easy" but you can at least get weatherstrip seals, new tops, and some pieces and parts thru aftermarket)

The problem with most of the other aftermarket convertibles even the Autoform for that matter they are too difficult to really get the pieces and parts for to fix them if damaged, unless you make the parts yourself.

I would think it is not worth much more than a regular coupe.


But it is worth whatever someone is going to pay for it.

John

TRANSAM82-92

iTrader: (1)

exactly X2

90IRAWKZ

iTrader: (1)

I saw this 1984 MATRIX 3in a PHX junkyard today. Top is still in GREAT condition with ALL convertible mechanics in place, top color is blue.

okfoz

What a great find that would be for someone with one of those for parts...