I ave a weird ASC 91 vert 5 speed . She is in great shape but needs couple parts I am Keeping the car stock. I checked the block and its org but its a 350 ???? in a RS ???? ok no problem if that's a weirdo don't care or if a change over happened I can put a boat anchor back in her, Im not building it for speed (yet a 383 has been drooling all over it from one of my stands) . Here is the problem . All over the car and very noted on the back I see the Maro and RS tag then a missing Tag a person removed . Same thing on the Dash, a maro tag then Gms stamp then RS then a glue spot where a tags removed but a form is impressioned there where these tags were. Any Idea what is gone ? The 350 is of no concern drive trains are easy on my end the other stuff I don"t know .Gen 1 Gen 2 builder prior to looking at this and drooling myself.

 

Any pics? I can't picture in my head, what you are talking about.

On a side note.....

A 350/T5 and it is ORIGINAL?

 

Yea weird only thing I can think is the boat anchor had a problem and they dropped a 350 in to appease and rectify the situation by request or spec order that way. I have been doing FRAME OFF SHOW CARS for twice as long as many of you have been born.She is a factory era drop in and that block went in late 90 with all the stock trimmings when the car was built.Whatever comes back on the build sheet it will have.Ive done a tremendous amount of 1 and 2 Maros that went in rags (magazines) but back in the day did 1910 Maxwells and 29 Ershkins etc.I was sanding wooden spoke wheels at age 6 . I know they are not a blue chip car but will raise in value when I post the outcome of the cash for car squishes as many many went through for the 4k . I have access to that data . Need my parts first lol.


I will post pics as soon as I can to show tye missing tags .I am thinking its some type of logo etc . If I posted what I paid no person would believe me . Put it this way it was a great deal I gave the guy 50 extra as I felt bad. About 2 k worth of new electronics in it. I will yank out for stock stereo parts . Mint interior minus it has mint electric firebird/TA seats in greay from same year I want to swap for the original Maro seats before I have perfect seats ripped apart and covered non electric. Only change I found was the seats were changed later .

I really need the code break down link so I know what I have . I have done SLP upgrades for GM and its not that shape tag missing .Will get pics tonight I think its a convert tag or something. With the experience I have that blocks been in since org build time . Sure the 5sp is org also but no recognisable vin prod for concept but it has kilos so maybe an export type tag. I dunno

 

How are you concluding the engine is original? In your first post, you say the engine is "orig", which I assume to mean original and most define that to mean original to that vehicle (engine that the car came with from the factory).

Only way to identify it as original to that vehicle is via the partial VIN stamped on the block (very hard to see and find without some work). The last digits on the block should match the last digits of the VIN of the body.

What is the 8th digit of the VIN on the body?

 

JT I need the code break down links . You need to trust me on this one your a admin and I don't want to offend so I wont go down a huge list by experience.It went in same year.When you get a chance pull a 305 against a 350 and start at the harmonic bal and work your way back . It will give you an easy prospective of the clear differences in the motors. Also a inspection mirrow and air will help with the numbers instead of bending.I got mine back at Lincoln tech before teaching at ASE .1 thing I will say however as I have done so many chase downs for finds many so called org cars we looked at for frame off restores were not org and we denyed them. The only way to hide a transplant of power is all new parts and new tranny otherwise you will see marks . Also for the scammers out there hcl is used to find stamped numbers that are not correct time stamp. Do I think the car came with a 350 org - no freekin way that would be stupid .I think a 350 in a unibody is stupid especially with TPI. A unibody has enough trouble with a boat anchor .Back in the cowboy days when these were built could it be a SPO or a deal saver transunion YES but whatever the code comes to is what she will have. Drive trains not a problem.If any body parts or interior safty stuff is gone BIG PROBLEM .My state requires a 1 time inspection and all must be org and perfect stock.I am used to picking fake transferred Yenkos apart etc . Yes I have a org but its on the rack . I have a few toys.I also have the problem of who we are and if jury rigged up the locals will pick the car apart and find it. If I had a pinto or yugo it would be looked over to see if all original. Im going to rip about 2k worth of super nice electronics out of this stereo and all and drop stock back in as they will hack on me .I must drop the rear remove tiny tiny surface rust sand blast and paint or she will not pass inspection.i need to know wgat the tag is.I think the cars a 91rs305 5 sp org but was a CO or TO not to loose or to gain a sale.

 

I'm sorry, but I'm not really following you. You said you have a 1991 ASC 5-speed, RS. I understand that part as I'm no stranger to ASC Convertibles as I have a 1992 Trans AM Convertible (ASC) 305/5-speed.

However, you then said you checked the block and it's "orig" but it's a 350.

I asked you to provide the 8th digit of the body VIN. If it's an "8", then the car originally had a 350 from the factory. If it's a "F" or "E" it's a 305. If it's a "T", then it's a V6.

That's all I asked. I didn't question the difference between a 305 or 350. I question if you actually have a 350 original to the car itself, which is how your statement reads, which I quoted below, as you stated you have an RS Convertible with an "org" (original) 350. The RS Convertible was not available with the 350 from the factory.

Now, if you are simply stating the engine is a 350 but is not original to that car, then that makes more sense and is most likely.

 

Were on the same page I am aware the RS never came with a 350 but they put one in this one in 91 as there is no trans case marks etc.so its a SPO or TO to save or get a sale.Somebody was stupid or I have a dash plate that's been changed . Thats the reason for looking at the tags to notice a missing piece and taking the time to look at the block code.I have the custom model sheet direct from gm so its not a pre post employee buy or concept.

I need those links . Is Dan from Pa on this site I am sure you know him as a mod.Connect me if you can to his user on here.He used to pick up our old gen 2 doners from my home when we had all the lifts full at our shop and I did a few there .Just 10th anns etc nothing big.Wont post his last name but Im sure you know who I mean.I am not computer great.I am a builder though big time.


I don't care about the drive train - dime a dozen to me. Ill get pics of the missing stamps . Is there a reason I cant get code links as the org GM shop and manufacture manuals don't have them. Is it that a RPO has no been generated on these cars ? I dont know 3s well other than Ive ripped drive train parts out of them to put back in the original cars and set them out with a free sign to get them away from my shop.

I need links most of all and what ever the tags were for must be on my car or Im done. looking for DG he knows these cars.

 

You can run your vin through compnine.com for free and/or get a complete RPO SPID sheet from GM. That should give you a good run down of the car was originally equipped with, to restore if back to original status.

 

Stephen is correct. Since you have a 1991, the compnine website should have your vehicle in their database:
http://compnine.com/vid.php

This will tell you what you have, from the factory.

 

Thanks tons


Looks all black and base to me only weird thing is its a 1 of 1 . Guess thats common on the verts .

There are 1 1991 CAMARO RS CONVERTIBLE vehicles (0.012%) matching your exact options list. There are 1 (0.012%) with at least as many options.

cant understand why 2 rpos for the manual tans . This all matches . The cars clean and that was a worry .

 

JT can I post the rpo list and you look for a reason for the missing tags and also tell me any oddities ? Also I need to find black cloth seats . I think they may let the grey go through inspection but they are power and I do not know all the unknown posted codes. I can give you the vin in a pm or post the results. I do not know what I am looking at the 2s and 1s are a lot more simple . Also as a diagnostic tech I never cared for those breakdowns during inspections . We do here though . I think its just a all black org car that had a 305 unless one of those codes is a sp code . If you have the time can you look ? 2 tranny upgrades is weird also.

 

All cars had two RPO's for the Transmission, whether it is an Automatic, or a Manual... Its one of those things that makes you ask "why?" But it is what it is.

The www.compnine.com page I suspect that your car was the only one like that made that particular day... No one has come up with a good reason why almost everyone's car comes up 1 of 1 or 1 of 3... At least when they check their third gen.

My head is spinning...