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Old Nov 1, 2005 | 09:00 PM
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injector "start" time

I'm interested in how the ECM decides to fire the injectors. Is that something that's done through the ECM code (on eprom), OR is it more of a "hardware/hardwired" thing?
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Old Nov 2, 2005 | 09:31 PM
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....sorry, I'm talking about a TPI computer (165/730). BTW, I know DRPs is what'll trigger the injectors. Just wondering how that process works..
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Old Jan 13, 2006 | 08:45 PM
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This is what DFI does....
This value, displayed in crank angle degrees, specifies the offset point that the Injector Target timing table indexes. This value generally would be the intake valve closing angle, in crank degrees. In order to set this value, obtain the Camshaft Information Card for your engine. As an example, we will use the Accel 74219 camshaft for a small block Chevrolet V8. Locate the angle at 0.050 tappet lift at which the intake valve closes. This is usually read in crank degrees, (ABDC) after bottom dead center. Since the cam card shows the intake valve closing point at 41*ABDC, and we know the crank angle at BDC intake stroke is 540* on a Chevrolet V8, then we can calculate the exact angle in crank degrees at which the intake valve closes. Simply combine these figures, 41* and 540* to net a crank angle intake closing timing of 581* @ 0.050" valve lift. Enter 581 in the table. The ECM will round this value to the nearest factor of 10, so the ECM will display 580.


Range: 0 to 720

Units: crank angle degrees

Resolution: 10
The factory ecms have to decide when to start to fire the injectors(ASSumingly relative to intake valve closing). Nobody can shed some insight?
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Old Jan 14, 2006 | 07:32 AM
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In a batch fire system I don't think it is going to matter. Some valves will be open, some closed, some closing, others opening. AFAIK, there isn't a method of changing the injector firing angle in the TPI ECMs. Doesn't mean that their isn't, just that I don't know of how it could be done.

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Old Jan 24, 2006 | 09:34 AM
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..a friend sent this to me.




http://www.sonic.net/~mikebr/efi/pro...or_timing.html
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Old Jan 25, 2006 | 12:13 PM
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Wow that's pretty interesting.

Though one thing confuses me. Is he talking about Accel DFI or a GM ECM?

He also disappointingly failed to mention the results from being able to consistently sync up the injectors to ignition events. Like Rbob said, it probably doesn't matter much.
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Old Feb 12, 2006 | 12:33 PM
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Originally posted by kevm14
Wow that's pretty interesting.

Though one thing confuses me. Is he talking about Accel DFI or a GM ECM?.....
He is talking about an Edelbrock Pro-Flow EFI setup. I surfed around his site. His final solution was to design a whole new ECM from scratch. Pretty cool. There is some other cool stuff on his site like a linear MAT sensor using an LM34 IC and a whole lot more. I plan to spend some time looking into some of his other projects.
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Old Feb 13, 2006 | 10:34 PM
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That is a good site. Wonder if it's somebody around here?


.....I understand that injector start time for batch fire is not going to matter much. Still want to figure it out though. Maybe it's not even in the code, something hardware based? Hmmmm...
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Old Feb 13, 2006 | 11:26 PM
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Originally posted by 11sORbust
That is a good site. Wonder if it's somebody around here?......
Agreed, excellent site. Lots of excellent info and I haven't gotten through a fourth of it. If it is someone around here, they obviously have an broad electronics backgound and a good understanding of embedded firmware and related hardware platforms. Know anyone around here like that with the first name Mike? Thanks for the link. Very valuable.
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Old Feb 13, 2006 | 11:44 PM
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Originally posted by 11sORbust
.....I understand that injector start time for batch fire is not going to matter much. Still want to figure it out though. Maybe it's not even in the code, something hardware based? Hmmmm...
I almost forgot, This is per the BHFM (4cyl. PFI, batch fire) hack.

;---------------------------------------------
; USED IF CPI/PFI MODE
; (TYPE $0D LN2)
;---------------------------------------------
L4969 FCB 94 ; 66 Deg DLY FM DRP TILL INJECTION
; CAL = DEG * (256/180)
;
L496A FCB 80 ; MIN PERIOD IN DBL FIRE
;-------------------------------------------------

Just FYI.
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