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Old Jul 14, 2007 | 06:23 PM
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EBL or PCM?

What is the advantages and disadvantages of the EBL vs. the 16197427 PCM? Is one better than the other? Is one better for certain things?
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Old Jul 14, 2007 | 07:23 PM
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Re: EBL or PCM?

The EBL offers an integrated solution to engine management. With many features not available in GM ECM/PCM's.

If you wish to run an electronic trans you need to use the PCM.

It is an apples and oranges comparision.

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Old Jul 14, 2007 | 08:51 PM
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Re: EBL or PCM?

Rob,
where can I find all the info on the EBL
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Old Jul 14, 2007 | 09:23 PM
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Re: EBL or PCM?

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Rob,
where can I find all the info on the EBL
Thanks
start here:

http://www.dynamicefi.com/

then search for the following terms on this board and read, read, read:
EBL
embedded
lockers
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Old Jul 14, 2007 | 10:15 PM
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Re: EBL or PCM?

Originally Posted by beatercoprice
What is the advantages and disadvantages of the EBL vs. the 16197427 PCM? Is one better than the other? Is one better for certain things?

Not even a choice IMO. EBL. EBL.
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Old Jul 14, 2007 | 11:44 PM
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Re: EBL or PCM?

How many people have used the EBL with the PCM running the transmission? Is this not as easy as it seems?
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Old Jul 14, 2007 | 11:59 PM
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Re: EBL or PCM?

people have been using a standalone computer to run the transmission only for many years, i think there is even a .BIN floating around out there for some truck computer designed to just run a 4l60e/4l80e.

So, if the tranny is already standalone, it doesn't care if the engine is carb'd or EBL or whatever.

it won't be as easy as falling asleep after a 24 hour workday, but it shoudln't be anything that hasn't been done and documented before.
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Old Jul 15, 2007 | 01:16 AM
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Re: EBL or PCM?

So is the 4L60 E way better than the 700r4?
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Old Jul 15, 2007 | 08:04 AM
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Re: EBL or PCM?

Originally Posted by Dominic Sorresso
Not even a choice IMO. EBL. EBL.
ACTUALLY, it is a tough decision. If I had a stock TBI truck setup with the 427 PCM, I would probably stay with the PCM. Like I previously stated the TBI PCM in itself has alot to offer. The EBL does however offer some features the TBI PCM does not.
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Old Jul 15, 2007 | 10:32 PM
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Re: EBL or PCM?

Fast,

I guess it depends. EBL isn't just an ECM but as RBob has stated its an integrated engine management and tuning system. There isn't a PCM around that does that. That's why I posted as IMO. For what I needed to do, it was the obvious choice.
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Old Jul 18, 2007 | 09:10 AM
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Re: EBL or PCM?

The PCM has many advanced features, but does not have the real time tuning package as EBL has. On the other hand, in an etrans app., it offers an integrated engine/transmission package so theres no need to split sensor signals and such.
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Old Jul 19, 2007 | 09:14 PM
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Re: EBL or PCM?

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The PCM has many advanced features, but does not have the real time tuning package as EBL has. On the other hand, in an etrans app., it offers an integrated engine/transmission package so theres no need to split sensor signals and such.
I know, but you can run a MAF with the PCM. I am still working with running a MAF and an E-trans on the same PCM. I have been playing with a running test engine/transmission on a test stand and am having difficulty inputing the VSS signal from the transmissions VSS into the 4L80Es turbine shaft speed sensor input. More specifically I have been unable to find the locations that the input goes into the code when the ECM is running.
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Old Jul 19, 2007 | 10:16 PM
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Re: EBL or PCM?

Originally Posted by Fast355
I know, but you can run a MAF with the PCM. I am still working with running a MAF and an E-trans on the same PCM. I have been playing with a running test engine/transmission on a test stand and am having difficulty inputing the VSS signal from the transmissions VSS into the 4L80Es turbine shaft speed sensor input. More specifically I have been unable to find the locations that the input goes into the code when the ECM is running.
This is already nearly done. I struck gold and found the alternate VSS thats triggered by a sinusoidal signal. It works the same as the MAF input, but needs to be wired directly to the VSS pickup at the tail housing. If you want a preveiw, set b4 of L5D02 to 1 and plug the VSS wires into pins F4 and F5. This will restore the function of the TOS. The TFT sensor isnt enabled yet as its being used as the manifold temp input, but Im working on integrating the code for both so if an e-trans is in use, the TFT will still work.
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