trying to burn first chip and not sure im doing it correctly. I downloaded the instructions from moates but I think I might be doing something wrong.
1.) I connected Flash & Burn to the laptop via USB and opened the software. 2.) I selected the correct chip from the chip list (27SF512).
3.) I erased the chip.
4.) I clicked on "load file to Buffer" and I selected a bin file to use. Here's is where I think I'm going wrong. The next thing I did was click on "Program Chip" It looked like a bar graph showed the chip being programed but the car didnt start after installing. I did this b4 steps 5 and 6
5.)Input address of the buffer you want burned to the chip(Buffering Address)??? dont know what that means?
6.)Input the address of the chip that you want the buffer date written to(Chip address)????
Steps 5 and 6 im having trouble with... I did see a section with "Chip address" says start address in hex 00C000.....End address in hex 00CFFF..."Buffering Address" start address in hex 000000....end address in hex 000FFF..
am I supposed to enter something in steps 5 and 6? Any help would be great.

 

TTT

 

This should help:

http://support.moates.net/2010/04/05...using-offsets/

 

think I did the burning correctly but now the car just cranks but wont fire. I have spark and good fuel pressure so I'll have to check my timing next i guess

 

Does it start and run on a stock MEMCAL?

 

good question. I'll bypass the GP1 and see what happens with the stock prom ... I didnt even think to try that but I will tomorrow after work and let you know.

 

Your addressing should look like the attached image.

Did you install the distributor yourself? I'd crank the engine and have someone start turning it left or right and see if it will fire.

 

thanks ..yes my addressing does look exactly like that. Car just cranks but wont fire..I installed the cars stock Prom and it fired and ran pig rich...any ideas?

 

making alittle progress... seems the notch on the chip has to be toward the ziff handle in the burner but away from the ziff handle in the ecm? after doing that the car fired with the GP1 and chip..was rich and stalled but fired..might be flooded from my previous attempts

 

Yes, that's correct. Are you working off a stock prom? Or one burned for your setup?

 

i'm working off a bin sent to me by another thirdgen member with the same size engine,same cam,same injectors same year maf car and similar heads. he has a stealth ram and I have a super ram..it runs but very rich...Ive just had the car ideal and reved it in park...

 

I have heard that ford injectors are rated at 39# and GM injectors at 43#..So being I have ford 30lb reds what pressure would u guys suggest I set my constants too? 30? maybe 33?
just went to a fuel injector calculator, going from a stock setting of 39# with a Ford red top 30lb injector to 43#. The Calculator says the Ford Red 30lb is now 31.50lb so I'll switch to that unless anyone thinks thats wrong?

 

Ford uses a lower static fuel pressure, but there is debate on whether this effects the rating of the injectors. Seems to be a case by case basis.

In tuning, make a change and see what it does, it can always be changed back or more pretty quickly (especially with an emulator), so it's easy and quick to see how the changes effect the way the engine runs. Also tune in open loop, trying to tune in closed loop will cause you to keep chasing "tuning issues" that aren't really there.

 

Did a data stream it is running really rich could anyone take a look at the datastream and give me some advice please? Had to add as zip file wouldn't allow upload of .adl file extension, thanks again.

 

TTT

 

i cant seem to open it. email it to me, email is in your PM

 

also the fuel injector rating u have is incorrect, i thought i told u in a PM that the injector constant will change as ford injectors are rated at (say 30lb SVO injectors) are 30lb at 37.5psi... GM rates there injectors at 43.5psi... i did the calculations and it comes out to 30.76ish lbin which is a ford 30lb SVO at 43psi compared to the stock ford psi of 37.5. you could probably increase the injector constant from 30.76 to about 31psi as it would be close but the ECM will round the number up or down depending on the value u enter.

also changing the injector constant will change the overall TUNE of the BIN. a higher number say like 32lbin injectors when your running 30lb SVOs at 43psi(weve established that it would be 31lbin) entering the value as 32lbin means the engine will run LEAN, since your telling the ECM that it has 32lbin injectors, so when its not seeing as much fuel as is should it will increase the injector pulse width. so the opposite will happen when u put a lower number than what your running, I.E. you enter 30lb in the bin but your really at 31lb... so the ECM is dumping more fuel than it needs to bc its calibrated for the 30lb injectors, so in conjunction with the 02 sensor it will decrease the injector pulse width after some time to compensate.

if its running rich and your using my bin as im assuming, i had to add a good bit of fuel to the lower MAF tables. try setting the MAF tables to the stock settings (if u can open up the stock bin that u have by using the HDR1 from moates or look one up on the net). i changed the MAF table 1 considerably (i also used orr89rocZs MAF tables as a base) and his values were higher than mine slightly. i did change the MAF table 2 as well since i had a throttle tip in hestiation, and i looked at what MAF Gram reading it was around that i was getting the hesiation.

i also added a bunch of PE for the upper ranges and a good amount of AE to help with the throttle tip in hesitation. the AE will kick in ( i can see it on my narrow band gauge) as soon as the accelerator is pressed after a certain amount of TPS voltage is reached (forget wat value its at). Bc my gauge will be bouncing around in stochimetric untill i hit the throttle then it will read rich for a second and drop back, thats the AE.

setting the MAF tables to stock and the AE will prob help with the rich condiditon, make sure you set the injecotor constant CORRECTLY for your injectors at the correct psi. Make sure your base timing is matched in the BIN, mine was at 8btdc. also sometimes some ppl with mess with the MAF scalars (guy did for his bin that was tuned my craig moates) and if the scalars is different then all the values in the tables are WAY different, the scalar is what converts the MAF values for the ECM to provide fuel. i set the MAF scalars to stock values.

 

Are these the injectors you have?

http://fuelinjectorconnection.com/sh...od&productId=5


If so, it says

 

no, most likely these are the ones hes running. those arent the EV1 type ford SVO 30lb injectors.

these are the 30lb SVO EV1 injectors AKA redtops, same ones im running
http://www.uribe.ws/images/caprice/DSC05981.JPG

EV1 is the same style injector connectors as our stock wiring harness

 

The ones I posted are ev1. Those are the ones I'm running. Anyway sorry for going offtopic thread starter.

 

im running the ones customblackbird posted

 

i had issues with sealing the injectors (bosch III) design with a TPI setup. they where the corvette 22lb injectors that where lengthened by fuelinjectionconnection for the stock TPI length. however they were too short and i had to adjust the injectors once installed to stop the injectors from leaking.

the bosch are a good design but the ones i posted "red tops" went on with no issues and where the correct height. the bosch at 289$ is not that bad but i paid 200$ shipped for my brand new 30lbSVOs from a ford racing distributer. they have the same nozzel design too (4 small holes).

TPI formula 350... and updates? hows the tune working out for u? u really should get it running OK before u get to the dyno that way they can just fine tune it. any new logs after i told u want to try?

 

TPI formula 350... and updates? hows the tune working out for u? u really should get it running OK before u get to the dyno that way they can just fine tune it. any new logs after i told u want to try?[/QUOTE]

I havent really mess with the car at all. I'm kinda clueless on what to change in the bin to get the corrections. I dont want to wash the oil down in fuel before it goes in for the dyno tune so I havent started it since I sent u that datalog. Its running so rich that it fills the garge with smoke in seconds. I'm just going to have it flatbeded to the tuner. One odd thing, I know in that data log i sent u it was saying that the coolant was like 30 degress. Funny thing was it was like 50 degrees out? I'm gooing to check to see that the coolant sensors are hooked up right. Anyway for the $550 this tunes going to cost me he can figure it all out. It goes in next Tuesday.
** checked the coolant sensors and they look fine

 

even if its 50 out the engine could be cooler... still i would change one thing and see if it helps. lean out the entire mixture by simply changing the injector constant. you tried 32lb so thats not enough, set the injector constant at 36lb and see if it lowers the richness. i know it will and it has too bc your telling the ECM that the injector is flowing 4lbs more fuel each injector which the engine isnt getting this would cause a lean mixture... which should even yours out some. your engine wasnt that rich btw... sure u have smoke but you were reading almost 11:1 when it started to hit 37degrees, at the begginning of the log u were at 9ish:1 which is pretty rich.

just change the injector constant and report back, see if it helps. i too agree that 550$ is alot but figure that ppl tune there cars for months to get the tune right in real world conditions and u think theyre gona get it in one day? lol not likely. my friend spent 500$ and was on the dyno for 9hrs and they got the tune down ok but its still cutting out and has a fuel issue on his mustang with a vortec V2. your best bet is to get it running better before you get there and have them just work from that

 

ok..I'll try changing the injector constants to 36 after work tomorrow and data log. I'm sure it will help. The dyno guy I'm taking the car to said he wants the car for a few days..He has a reputation for being very thorogh. Has to be better then the last place I took the car last summer that did a 2 hour tune and blew up the new 406 I had in the car last year. Hoping for better luck with the 383. Anyway I'll email u the data log tomorrow eve.

 

found my main problem with the car running rich. It was the coolant temp sensor. It was saying the coolant was like 15* when it was 60* out all week. So after replacing that it was alot better