Problems with engine not starting.
Problems with engine not starting.
I'm having problems with a 3.1L v6 1992 firebird. The injectors are not firing so the engine will not start. I have gone through everything I can think of and I believe the pcm needs to be reflashed. The VATS system is working so I know that is not the problem. I believe it is all in the computer because when I have a scanner hooked up the pcm thinks the throttle is wide open. If anyone knows how I can get this fixed any help will be greatly appreciated.
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Car: 1967 Camaro, 91 z28
Engine: Lb9
Transmission: M20
Axle/Gears: J65 pbr on stock posi 10bolt
Re: Problems with engine not starting.
The ecm has a memcal and doesn’t get flashed. If the tps is at wot this will kill injector pulse.
error code 21 ?
error code 21 ?
Re: Problems with engine not starting.
I used a test light and went through the diagnostic test to check what was wrong and it led me to the pcm being bad. I sent it off and had it worked on but still had wot. I thought it might be the prom in the computer at this point and put a new one but still wouldn't run so that what made me think it might need reprogramming.
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Car: 1967 Camaro, 91 z28
Engine: Lb9
Transmission: M20
Axle/Gears: J65 pbr on stock posi 10bolt
Re: Problems with engine not starting.
The prom very rarely goes bad and you wouldn’t see wot command it’s based off tps voltage.
how did you check vats signal hz at the ecm or voltage at pin f10 ?
how did you check vats signal hz at the ecm or voltage at pin f10 ?
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Car: 1967 Camaro, 91 z28
Engine: Lb9
Transmission: M20
Axle/Gears: J65 pbr on stock posi 10bolt
Re: Problems with engine not starting.
Shorted injectors can cause the driver to shut down. Even though you don’t have a vats error you might want to check the dark blue wire at f10.
A bad icm can also prevent injector pulse.
A bad icm can also prevent injector pulse.
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Car: 1967 Camaro, 91 z28
Engine: Lb9
Transmission: M20
Axle/Gears: J65 pbr on stock posi 10bolt
Re: Problems with engine not starting.
You can also check the tps voltage to the ecm pin f13 also a dark blue wire. Voltage should be .67-.76 vdc.
anything over 4.50 will kill injector pulse.
If you have a tach installed and don’t get a reading while cranking the icm might be faulty.
anything over 4.50 will kill injector pulse.
If you have a tach installed and don’t get a reading while cranking the icm might be faulty.
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Re: Problems with engine not starting.
I replaced the icm doing a tune up along with distributor wires and spark plugs. The tach I have hooked up works when turning the engine over. I resistance tested the injectors and got the correct resistance from all 6. I tested the tps signal wire at the tps plug and got around 5 volts.
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From: Mile High Country !!!
Car: 1967 Camaro, 91 z28
Engine: Lb9
Transmission: M20
Axle/Gears: J65 pbr on stock posi 10bolt
Re: Problems with engine not starting.
I replaced the icm doing a tune up along with distributor wires and spark plugs. The tach I have hooked up works when turning the engine over. I resistance tested the injectors and got the correct resistance from all 6. I tested the tps signal wire at the tps plug and got around 5 volts.
The gray wire is the only one that should have close to a 5v reference.
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From: Mile High Country !!!
Car: 1967 Camaro, 91 z28
Engine: Lb9
Transmission: M20
Axle/Gears: J65 pbr on stock posi 10bolt
Re: Problems with engine not starting.
So if you probe the blue wire tps disconnected and have 5v the ecm is bad.
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/aaz-77-7730/
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/aaz-77-7730/
Re: Problems with engine not starting.
Guess that's what I get for getting a computer out of a junkyard. Thanks for your help on this. I'll be sure to get when I get it running on here. Have had it for two years and only had it running for a total of probably a week.
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From: Mile High Country !!!
Car: 1967 Camaro, 91 z28
Engine: Lb9
Transmission: M20
Axle/Gears: J65 pbr on stock posi 10bolt
Re: Problems with engine not starting.
If you decide to go with another jy ecm here are some applications just swap in your memcal (computer chip).
I have never seen a ecm fail in this manor , odd.
Application: 1227730 ECM's
1987 2.0 L4 TBI “1” LL8
1988 2.0 L4 TBI “1” LL8 (early)
1987-89 2.8 V6 PFI “W” LB6 (exc. “W” body)
1988-94 3.1 V6 PFI “T” LH0 (exc. “W” body)
1990-92 5.0 V8 TPI “F” LB9
1990-92 5.7 V8 TPI “8” L98 (“F” body
I have never seen a ecm fail in this manor , odd.
Application: 1227730 ECM's
1987 2.0 L4 TBI “1” LL8
1988 2.0 L4 TBI “1” LL8 (early)
1987-89 2.8 V6 PFI “W” LB6 (exc. “W” body)
1988-94 3.1 V6 PFI “T” LH0 (exc. “W” body)
1990-92 5.0 V8 TPI “F” LB9
1990-92 5.7 V8 TPI “8” L98 (“F” body
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