What to build....
What to build....
I recently bought an 84 Z28 with the 305(non H.O.) and a 700-R. I am asking for everyone's honest opinions on motor swaps.
I have been thinking LT1 for Mainly Gas mileage, but I don't know if i want to go through the trouble of all of the conversions. I have a 350 right now with flattops that came out of a truck. Right now it has an RV cam in it, which of course is no good for my application. Now, my conflict is that I have the motor, and I can pretty much rebuild it for a little bit of nothing, but a Holley is not exactly going to help with my gas since this is a daily driver. I was wondering if a tpi swap would help on the gas enough to make a difference, and still make power. If I build up the motor I already have, i'll probably put new rings in it, leave the flat top pistons in it, a mild cam (maybe a 268), 1.6 rockers, and ported heads. I want to know if yall think i should Put a TPI on it, buy a LT1, or just slap a holley on it and go
all your 2 cents will add up, thanks
I have been thinking LT1 for Mainly Gas mileage, but I don't know if i want to go through the trouble of all of the conversions. I have a 350 right now with flattops that came out of a truck. Right now it has an RV cam in it, which of course is no good for my application. Now, my conflict is that I have the motor, and I can pretty much rebuild it for a little bit of nothing, but a Holley is not exactly going to help with my gas since this is a daily driver. I was wondering if a tpi swap would help on the gas enough to make a difference, and still make power. If I build up the motor I already have, i'll probably put new rings in it, leave the flat top pistons in it, a mild cam (maybe a 268), 1.6 rockers, and ported heads. I want to know if yall think i should Put a TPI on it, buy a LT1, or just slap a holley on it and go
all your 2 cents will add up, thanks
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Of course. TPI or some form of fuel injection will absolutely help with the gas mileage problem.
I wouldn't really bother with TPI in stock form. I would go aftermarket since you have a carb right now. Or if you do go TPI I would at least get the aftermarket intake. Fuel rails and so fourth. I personally love fuel injection.
I wouldn't really bother with TPI in stock form. I would go aftermarket since you have a carb right now. Or if you do go TPI I would at least get the aftermarket intake. Fuel rails and so fourth. I personally love fuel injection.
I wouldn't put a stock TPI in it, that would make no since. But I really don't want to drop a lot of money in something like that. Couldn't I port the stock runners, add bigger injectors, port the intake, and slap a bigger throttle body on it and still make the needed power? The big question is the computer...my car only has a Quadrajet on it right now so it has minimal computer control. Is a computer going to hit me in the wallet hard?
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It will take next to nothing to get the stock CC q-jet to work with the 350 (secondary rods/hanger tuning). What you'd have to do to get the TPI to work is quite a bit more. You should absolutely improve the exhaust (throw all of the stock stuff away, get '86-'90 TPI single-cat application headers on-back).
What heads are you planning on using? Most factory truck 350 heads are worse than factory LG4 heads.
With port matching, the stock intake will work fine, too. Or, a GM performance q-jet manifold, or Weiand Action+ would be good improvements.
The RV cam would probably work fine. Especially for gas mileage concerns. But, a good computer-compatible cam from Comp or Crane would improve power without hurting mileage too much.
What heads are you planning on using? Most factory truck 350 heads are worse than factory LG4 heads.
With port matching, the stock intake will work fine, too. Or, a GM performance q-jet manifold, or Weiand Action+ would be good improvements.
The RV cam would probably work fine. Especially for gas mileage concerns. But, a good computer-compatible cam from Comp or Crane would improve power without hurting mileage too much.
I don't want to use the quadrajet just because of the coldstarting/gas mileage. That RV cam is not good for anything except local cruise in night. I already put a 3 inch cat, 3 inch pipe, and flowmaster on it becasue the original exhaust was like swiss cheese. I will probably put a set of heddman headers on it.
I don't know what heads im going to use yet....you are right, those factory castings are boat anchors
any suggestions on heads? Are the bolt holes at a different angle on the TPI heads?
any suggestions on heads? Are the bolt holes at a different angle on the TPI heads?
I wouldn't bother with the tpi... an older stock setup probably will need new injectors anyway. a new bigger TB is pretty expensive also, but probably the main limitation are the runners. those 3 are 1000$ allready! and yes, an older tpi setup CAN run worse than any well tuned carb.
the only thing the tpi is good at is showing off- it does look neat!
the only thing the tpi is good at is showing off- it does look neat!
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You can definatley get good gas mileage with a carb. If you put a mild cam in the engine with some nice aftermarket heads like the World SR Torquers or something like that, and a 500-600 cfm carb, you should be fine with about 20 mpg. TPI is good for low maitnence but converting can be a pain. There was someone selling a complete TPI setup in the classified section for like $450.00 and that had the computer and stuff with it.
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There are aftermarket induction sets you can get.. like a MiniRam or Holley's(?) fairly good TBI peice.
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Originally posted by Speedshift
The big question is the computer...my car only has a Quadrajet on it right now so it has minimal computer control. Is a computer going to hit me in the wallet hard?
The big question is the computer...my car only has a Quadrajet on it right now so it has minimal computer control. Is a computer going to hit me in the wallet hard?
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I would suggest a some sort of aftermarket DFI setup. I mentioned TPI because it will feed a stock 305 plenty and they are cheaper than aftermarket for a complete setup. You can mod it to flow better and work ok on higher HP motors. Personally I think TPI with a different intake and plenum, runners and so fourth could be cheap enough and be ready for good high HP engines.
If you are serious about making alot of power than I would say that DFI of some sort will be needed to keep good gas mileage. However the cost will go up. I have never seen a high HP motor pull good gas mileage out of a carb.
I don't know much about carbs. I have never seen one that would give consistant and comparable gas mileage to FI. I notice that they need to be tuned all the time. I know that the newer electic choke helps for starting on cold days and things like that.
My TPI runs the same on cold and hot days. Just my $0.02.
If you are serious about making alot of power than I would say that DFI of some sort will be needed to keep good gas mileage. However the cost will go up. I have never seen a high HP motor pull good gas mileage out of a carb.
I don't know much about carbs. I have never seen one that would give consistant and comparable gas mileage to FI. I notice that they need to be tuned all the time. I know that the newer electic choke helps for starting on cold days and things like that.
My TPI runs the same on cold and hot days. Just my $0.02.
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Gas Mileage with a carb shouldn't be too awful...My dad can still pull 21 MPG in his truck...Its a 350 with double hump heads and a 650 Holley....Just gotta know how to set everything up!
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