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Old May 11, 2007 | 03:58 AM
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Car: 1991 camaro rs
Engine: 305 tbi
Transmission: 700r4
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ok i have a 1991 camaro rs witha 305 tbi.... now i have looked up other atricles beofre posting im tryin to be considerate but i realy need to know this..... i wanna swap the 305 tbi for a 350 carb.... im prolly gonna do a new tranny automatic...... and a new rearend form a foruth gen... during this i want no computer whatsoever... i wanna know is that possible???? and what would i need for everything would anyone know??? and gauges as well how would those work... it might cost alittle more money and alittle more work and fab work but thats no problem i just really don;t wnat to deal with the wires and stuff and nothing will change my mind.. that and i want to keep the looks under the hood simple... so please some input like speedo cable or something or a different fuel pump which im sure would be needed anyways.... or am i just out of my mind????? please give me some comments and be civil about it
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Old May 11, 2007 | 09:39 AM
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Car: 82 Berlinetta/57 Bel Air
Engine: L92/LQ4 (both w/4" stroke)
Transmission: 4L80E/4L80E
Axle/Gears: 12B-3.73/9"-3.89
Your phobia about wires is unreasonable, but I'll be civil.

Any particular reason for the 4th gen rear end? It is exactly the same as 3rd gen rear ends, except being 2" wider, requiring 4th gen style rims on the rear. If you want an upgrade, you need to get an aftermarker (Strange, Moser) 12-bolt or 9" made for 3rd gens. Yes, expensive, but only those types are really stronger.

Your speedometer is electronic. You could eliminate all of the computer wiring under the hood, but as long as you kept the vehicle speed sensor wires running to the VSS module and then up to the speedometer, it would still work. To eliminate it would require putting in an older instrument cluster with the mechanical cable-driven speedometer, or some aftermarket system of the same. A lot of work to eliminate wires you can't see.

The rest of it is pretty standard EFI-to-carb stuff covered by tech articles and regular tech forum discussion. There is a thread on the Carb forum that has hundreds of pictures of members' carb'd rides, most of them converted from EFI and many very, very well done.
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Old May 11, 2007 | 10:10 AM
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Re: very serious answers needed

not to be a jerk but you would benefit more by going to MPFI than a carb
i realize this is only my opinion but hey its your ride.
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Old May 11, 2007 | 03:47 PM
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If you like the style of gauges you currently have (I like them better in '91 on the Camaro) you will still have electronics like five7 said.

As for phobia of wires and EFI when I put my LT1 in the car I felt the same way (and I was even going from a FI engine to the LT1, but a V6 instead) I had 8 wires total to hook up and the car is running with full gauges.

You will end up with more of a job removing the wiring to get rid of the computer than to keep it all electronic. Swapping out the dash harness to an older one and the gauge cluster to the older style, pulling the fuel tank and putting in a non-FI fuel sender, taking out the 700R4 and putting in a Turbo 350 (which takes a different crossmember and torque arm) or if you want to keep the 700R4, buying the TCC kit for 80-100 bucks so the torque converter will lock up properly.

EFI is beginning to be the way to make more power, ease of tuning, more fuel milage even with a fairly built motor vs crappy gas milage for a carb motor that is built.

But it all comes down to what you want in your ride, but I'll never go back carb again. I have a truck with a 350 4 bolt main that gets 8mpg, it got 8mpg new, it gets 8mpg now. That motor is coming out, a 6.0 LQ9 from a 2000+ Silverado is going in with either a 4L60E or 4L80E behind it, she'll get 18+mpg and have more HP than the 350 that's currently in it gets. :shrug:
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Old May 13, 2007 | 08:12 PM
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Engine: 400 sbc/350 TBI
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Re: very serious answers needed

I am doing the same swap myself. I just got the 350 motor in yesterday. What I am doing with the fuel system is keeping the existing electric fuel pump in the tank and running a fuel pressure regualtor. From there it will go to the 4bbl carb. Lets hope that works. As for gauges, I have the stock gauges and will hook those wires to the stock fuel, oil, temp sender, etc. I don't have everything hooked up yet so I don't know what will or won't work. I am just giving you an idea of what I am attempting. Hope this helps and good luck!
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Old May 14, 2007 | 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by nivek82z28
I am doing the same swap myself. I just got the 350 motor in yesterday. What I am doing with the fuel system is keeping the existing electric fuel pump in the tank and running a fuel pressure regualtor. From there it will go to the 4bbl carb. Lets hope that works.....
Should work fine. However, what have you done regarding your electronic timing? Did you swap to a vacuum advanced dizzy? BTW, which AFPR did you go with....?
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Old May 14, 2007 | 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Street Lethal
Should work fine. However, what have you done regarding your electronic timing? Did you swap to a vacuum advanced dizzy? BTW, which AFPR did you go with....?
I am using an HEI distubutor with vacuum advance. I went with a $35 dollar Holley fuel pressure regulator from ebay. I have not hooked up the fuel lines to the carb yet. Still have some work to do. In theory I think it should all work, we'll see.
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Old May 14, 2007 | 12:01 PM
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It will work well right up to the point that the in-tank electric pump burns out. You need to use a return-style regulator, or provide a means of return back to the tank. A dead-head $35 regulator doesn't cut it.
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