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Old Jun 29, 2009 | 04:24 PM
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vacuum for dizzy?

i just swapped the 350 into my car and its running and idling just gotta get the timing perfect. but, ive got one problem, the vacuum advance for the distributor came from a fitting in my old carb (original q-jet) but the new carb (rebuilt q-jet, slightly older) dosent have this fitting for the vaccum. so where can i get some vacuum?

this is the old motor and the vacuum line is the one in the water neck (NOT the blue one) and another quick question what are those two things connected to the water neck and what do they do? they are already gone im just curious lol
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Old Jun 29, 2009 | 04:57 PM
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Car: 82 Berlinetta/57 Bel Air
Engine: L92/LQ4 (both w/4" stroke)
Transmission: 4L80E/4L80E
Axle/Gears: 12B-3.73/9"-3.89
Looks like the TVS (thermal vacuum switch) was hooked into two vacuum sources on the carb.

Have a pic of the "new" carb?
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Old Jun 29, 2009 | 05:45 PM
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Car: 1984 Z28 HT,2006 2500HD
Engine: 5.7L, 6.6Llbz dmax
Transmission: 700R4, 6 speed allison
Axle/Gears: worn out 3.73 posi
Re: vacuum for dizzy?

as far as i know the carb is from a 79 1 ton chevy pickup theres also no where to put the kickdown cable even tho the motor was mated to an auto tranny. what does the tvs thing do? am i ok to leave it off? sorry for the quality its a cellphone pic
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Old Jun 29, 2009 | 10:14 PM
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Car: 82 Berlinetta/57 Bel Air
Engine: L92/LQ4 (both w/4" stroke)
Transmission: 4L80E/4L80E
Axle/Gears: 12B-3.73/9"-3.89
From a thread on the FAQ forum:

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Old Jun 30, 2009 | 03:18 PM
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Transmission: 700R4, 6 speed allison
Axle/Gears: worn out 3.73 posi
Re: vacuum for dizzy?

thanks for the pic it helps alot, but my question still stands: where can i get vacuum? can i delete/relocate the tvs?


ive been sizing up the diagram and i was wondering if i can get rid of the hose at "j" since the egr is no longer functional and hasent been for sometime and plug the tvs for vac retard delay into the spot for the egr tvs? can it be done right? or am i totally out to lunch cuz im getting kinda desperate

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Old Jun 30, 2009 | 04:43 PM
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"J" is manifold vacuum, while "H" and "K" are "timed" or "ported" vacuum. You can use "J", just be aware that your vacuum advance will get vacuum all the time, which it wasn't "calibrated" for, and may cause idle or part-throttle issues. I never had a problem using timed with q-jets.

Personally, I wouldn't bother using the TVS. The EGR and EFE TVS's don't work the same way as the distributor TVS does, so either use the distributor TVS or don't use it at all. The purpose of the distributor TVS is to limit ignition advance while the engine is cold (an emissions thing). The other TVS's put vacuum to their respective devices only when the engine is cold - the opposite operation. Since you've defeated the major emissions controls devices, not using the distributor TVS is a relatively minor offense.
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Old Jun 30, 2009 | 04:53 PM
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Transmission: 700R4, 6 speed allison
Axle/Gears: worn out 3.73 posi
Re: vacuum for dizzy?

are "H" and "K" "timed" the same? would it be possible to use a T fitting in "k" and get vacuum from there? and is the vac retard delay switch just the same thing as the tvs? sorry for all the questions i just want to get the car running good
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Old Jun 30, 2009 | 06:15 PM
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Axle/Gears: 12B-3.73/9"-3.89
My mistake, "K" is the bowl vent vapor line going to the vapor canister.

Again, personally I'd just use the manifold (full) vacuum port and tune accordingly. I don't think I've ever seen a q-jet without the "H" port.

Out of curiosity, did you consider rebuilding the original carb? It's probably the better piece of the two, unless it's been FUBAR'd.
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Old Jun 30, 2009 | 06:27 PM
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Car: 82 Berlinetta/57 Bel Air
Engine: L92/LQ4 (both w/4" stroke)
Transmission: 4L80E/4L80E
Axle/Gears: 12B-3.73/9"-3.89
Both "J" and "B" are manifold vacuum, by the way.
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Old Jun 30, 2009 | 08:36 PM
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Transmission: 700R4, 6 speed allison
Axle/Gears: worn out 3.73 posi
Re: vacuum for dizzy?

Originally Posted by five7kid
Out of curiosity, did you consider rebuilding the original carb? It's probably the better piece of the two, unless it's been FUBAR'd.
well its pretty rough and the other one just cost me a hundred bucks to rebuild so i was hopin to use it but i may have to get the original one rebuilt if i cant get this right is it possible that the fitting for "H" fell off or something?ill have to look harder
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Old Jun 30, 2009 | 10:40 PM
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Transmission: 4L80E/4L80E
Axle/Gears: 12B-3.73/9"-3.89
Originally Posted by Brennan
is it possible that the fitting for "H" fell off or something?ill have to look harder
Can't tell from your photo. If you could get a clearer one, perhaps.
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Old Jul 1, 2009 | 09:27 PM
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Car: 1984 Z28 HT,2006 2500HD
Engine: 5.7L, 6.6Llbz dmax
Transmission: 700R4, 6 speed allison
Axle/Gears: worn out 3.73 posi
Re: vacuum for dizzy?

ok heres the plan for tomorrow. swap throttle bodies. should fix both my problems, vacuum and kickdown cable mount. ill post if it works or not
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Old Jul 1, 2009 | 11:19 PM
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Car: 82 Berlinetta/57 Bel Air
Engine: L92/LQ4 (both w/4" stroke)
Transmission: 4L80E/4L80E
Axle/Gears: 12B-3.73/9"-3.89
I'd guess there's less than a 50% chance they're interchangeable.
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Old Jul 2, 2009 | 11:33 AM
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Transmission: 700R4, 6 speed allison
Axle/Gears: worn out 3.73 posi
Re: vacuum for dizzy?

well they did swap but the "timed" vacuum port isnt on the throttle body according to some searching on the internet the egr is also a ported vacuum source so can i hook my vac advance into there?
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Old Jul 2, 2009 | 04:50 PM
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Right, the timed vacuum ports are only on the main body.

You can use the EGR port for the vacuum advance.
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Old Jul 2, 2009 | 09:42 PM
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Re: vacuum for dizzy?

thanks for all your help im gonna try it tomorrow if i can get a chance.
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