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ZZ4 swapped into an '89 RS TBI, now undriveable

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Old Nov 21, 2001 | 06:43 PM
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From: Midlothian,VA. 23112-6108
Car: 1982 Z-28
Engine: 5.0 w/ Holly carb
Transmission: TH-700R4
ZZ4 swapped into an '89 RS TBI, now undriveable

I have become involved in a coversion project that was begun,abandoned,then begun again.A ZZ4 crate motor was installed into an '89 RS which was originally equipped with a 5.7 TBI.
Once they got the car running with all the original induction and fuel systems intact.The idle quality is very bad,and the car is very nearly undrivable.
What do I need to do to fix this problem?
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Old Nov 22, 2001 | 12:36 AM
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Old Nov 22, 2001 | 01:36 AM
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yah, he said it best.
but you can call hypertech and give them the specs of your engine(cam, heads etc etc) and they can proly burn a chip for you.
But for proly not to much more, you can just throw an intake and carb. on there, and you will make more power than the crappy tbi.
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Old Nov 25, 2001 | 08:46 PM
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Car: FORMULA 350
Engine: ZZ4
Transmission: 700R4
hate to say this,,,,but there was no 5.7 tbi. but if it is tbi,,,or tpi,,,is should be more flexible than you have stated.
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Old Nov 25, 2001 | 10:33 PM
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are you running EVERYTHING stock that was previously on the car? throttle body, etc.?

you will definitely need a custom chip to get the most out of it, and i would DEFINITLEY get a high CFM throttle body if you plan on keeping the TBI.

but..even without a custom chip, the car should be more than driveable. i drove mine for over a year with a stock chip and it screamed. this spring i am going to be making/getting a custom chip, so i plan on seeing what the combo really has.

so, what are you running? what equipment?

-brian

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Old Dec 1, 2001 | 08:14 PM
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Car: 92Z28,98LegacyGT,ZX9R,91 Z28,02 Z71
Engine: 350,307,2.5,900cc,5.0
Transmission: 700r4,4spd auto,700r4,4L80
Axle/Gears: 323,?,323,?,373
Maybe you should get a TBI from a
big 454 and then have a chip burned
for your car.Unless your running a TPI.
Just a thought.
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Old Dec 1, 2001 | 11:56 PM
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Car: 1989 Trans AM GTA
Engine: 5.7 TPI - Stock
Transmission: 700R4
Isn't there 5.7 TBI that exist in Caprice cars.

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Old Dec 2, 2001 | 10:34 PM
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yeah, and in trucks, but not F-bodies.
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Old Dec 3, 2001 | 08:37 AM
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Car: 1991 Camaro RS
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all the throttle bodies are basically the same, except the 454 truck throttle body has 2" bores instead of 1-11/16" bores.

the difference between the 305 and 350 throttle bodies is the rating of the injectors.

you can get an adaptor and get either a 454 truck throttle body or a holley 670 cfm throttle body. but, you shoudl probably use your injector pod (with either) because the GM style injectors are WAY better quality than the ones that come in the holley, and both the 454 tb and the holley come with HUGE injectors.

your best bet will be to use your stock injector pod, make the fuel pressure regulator adjustable, and use your stock injectors at a higher FP or get 350 injectors.

with the stock TB you will starve the engine for fuel. BUT it should be driveable. so that may not be yoru problem.

-brian

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1991 Camaro RS
GMPP 350 HO crate engine - Holley TB, MSD ignition, SLP exhaust, everything is new
700R4 - 2,400 stall converter, vette servo, shift kit
My car's webpage - z28boy.cz28.com
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Old Dec 4, 2001 | 10:10 AM
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Engine: 350 Crate Motor
Transmission: Tremec TKO
Axle/Gears: 10 Bolt 3.73
I replaced my TBI 305 with a crate 350, but not as agressive as the cam in the ZZ4.Still, You should be able to make it work with the 350 Truck injectors,adjustable fuel pressure regulator and a custom chip.
Mine puts out a little over 300HP with this setup,but with the Crane Compucam 2030 hydraulic roller,ported Turbo City Throttle Body and cast iron TPI heads.
With the ZZ4 cam, you might need the 454 injectors, but like Z28 boy said, I'd stay with the gm injectors as they will tolerate more fuel presure than the Holleys.
-Rich-
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Old Dec 4, 2001 | 02:36 PM
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Engine: Chevy ZZ4
Transmission: Select Built 700R4
Axle/Gears: Moser Axles / 3.73 Richmond Gears
If you're running the TBI it's close enough to a regular carb. so I'd dump the TBI, ecm, etc and use a nice new 750 carb. That's just my opinion.
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Old Dec 5, 2001 | 09:51 PM
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I agree. Drop the TBI and go carb. Obviously you aren't into EFI enough to understand how it works so give it to somebody that has lots of time on their hands.
EFI is only as good as it's programming and obviously you need some good programming.
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Old Dec 8, 2001 | 04:03 PM
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Engine: L03
Transmission: 700R4
If you want to stay TBI get the chip reprogrammed and get this
670 CFM 2-BBL GM Truck TBI
Made by Holley, "Fully compatible with all O.E. plug-ins" plugs right into your old harness
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