88 Rs Camaro

Thank you Billy

1gary

Curious.Without going back through the whole thread,are you going to use a 727 Trans??.

project89

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just keep posting pictures im a huge fan of mopar stuff, cant wait to see how this turns out.

these guys just dont knwo the potential of these engines, they are all hung up on the lsx stuff, dont let them get to you

G92Bill

Hey project89, I love all of the Big three V8s they produces. LSX being my favorite. But I agree they just dont realize how nasty Mopar engines can really be. Especially the 440! With eaze Chris's 88rs should be in the low 10s with that 440. I wish I was back home to learn and assist him in the build but I am deployed to korea. Wish it was afgahn over this place. Anyways my Sbc is going to be getting some Patriot freedom series heads or AFR if budget allows with a nice lopey comp cam. I hope to push the Iroc into the low 12s on some Dr's. Then chill with that until I save enough coin for a LQ9 swap. What do you think? Lq9 or stay old SBC.

G92Bill

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G92Bill

My father owned a 73 455 SD T/A that thing was nasty. f

88 Rs Camaro

I always do

ricklovin93

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weird this comes up my father actually has a big 440 in the basement, compared to the 350 sitting next to it, its a bohemoth

G92Bill

<<<440 SLAPPING THE 350 LOL!

89rs454

I got a deal on a 95 i couldn't pass up, or i would have, and it was plug and play, so we can all take that upgrade to the bank. But goodluck man i didn't mean to act like this thread would die before it's finished cheers.

G92Bill

Chris does not know about LS engines. He is a Old school mopar guy so I dont think he knew what years the LS motors came out. Or cars they where in. I might be wrong. But you get what I am saying

89rs454

Well tell Chris good luck with his Mopar swap i'm looking forward to seeing it come alive. Also tell Chris LSx, Ltx. They have been terrorizing drag strips since 92-today. Big brother little brother. Valve chatter, opti spark.

1gary

Chris(I guess that is his name)is what engine swapping is all about.I am not a fan of cross breed swaps,but to shoe horn any engine into anything is the def of engine swapping.Having raced a 340 1973 Dodge dart sport and was on the fringes of swapping a 440 into it just before I sold the car,I do have a sense of the deal with Mopars.

The only comment I have is although 440's seem cheap at first to use,once you start getting into the aftermarket heads etc,it gets real expensive in a hurry.

Not sure if the hot ticket for the 727 trannies is still Art Carr.We have one guy around here racing big inch small blocks Mopar's for yrs and is a race only 9.90 car that is very competitive.He made the swap to a glide.Used to use the 906's yrs ago.

G92Bill

I believe he is looking for a Rock Crusher. I am not familiar with the trans much so that is all I can tell you.

88 Rs Camaro

For heads the 906 casting

88 Rs Camaro

That would be an old Hemi munci 22

88 Rs Camaro

This is a project play toy Just seeing if I can do it

Z28ricer

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If ? theres no if to it, theres just how much of a headache and how much does it cost.

G92Bill

906 heads. No, I want a aftermarket head that performs better.

88 Rs Camaro

I was suprised also actually it fir better than a 350 doing 1.75 primarys lots of tig to do lol.
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88 Rs Camaro

Well remember I am old school

88 Rs Camaro

Its a passion

88 Rs Camaro

You just do it always Most said that with the sidepipes and groud clearence lol guess what

89rs454

I'm wishing this guy the best god bless.

88 Rs Camaro

You know Billy Dart have always been best.

88 Rs Camaro

Sorry you feel that way.

88 Rs Camaro

Smart is a 4l60 wow.
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89rs454

I got your back brother, build that ****ing Bigblock.

89rs454

I want to see that 440 ****ing scream.

88 Rs Camaro

For now a 727 would like to find an old hemi 4 speed

88 Rs Camaro

Tks man it will be fun Have the exaust flanges on order have to do the exaust first while the motor is mocked up

88 Rs Camaro

I have to fix the weak spots in the 727 a hemi main band and kevlar should do the trick the only thing to figure out is do i want a slip yoke or eliminate it with a tailshaft trans brake only weakspots i see are the frame and driveshaft

redneckjoe

very cool project!!! dont listen to the haters.
im not a mopar guy, but do 383 and 440 parts interchange? i have a buddy selling some speed parts,...cams, headers, aluminum intake, etc. its all new if your interested.

Brando5641

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o god

89rs454

Any updates?

G92Bill

I will ask him tomorrow. It is late here in korea. He prob. have made some progress. I will ask him to post if anything new was done on the car.

zachkuby87

am i retarded or did this dude reply to his own comments like 14 times? cool project id love to see a vid of it ripping up the 1/4 mile but something seems fishy here..

G92Bill

What is so fishy? I personally know the guy doing the swap. The block is in the middle of a rebuild. He is old school and forums are new to him. Excuse his multiple reposts lol.

89rs454

Is this guy too old school to read wiring diagrams? Just a question.

G92Bill

Lol. No he knows his stuff.

1gary

This post isn't going to win me any friends or make site management happy with me.Yrs ago we used to call bolt in's which is mostly what guys in this section are doing is bolt in's and swaps when guys had to fabricate their own parts to shoe horn a engine into a car that wasn't built for the car.

So under that terminology in this section mostly are not really engine swaps but only merely bolt ins.

This is truly a engine swap....................

five7kid

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Ah, but years ago we also said, "There's no such thing as a bolt-in."

A few years back a 3rd gen showed up at the track with a 455 Buick in it. Was it a "real" engine swap? Yes. Was it unique? Yes. Was it "worth it"? Well, it ran 15's, hood wouldn't close so they left it off - you tell me if it was worth it.

Who decided that fabricating your own parts was required for it to be a "real" engine swap? Doesn't putting in an engine that the factory didn't justify the terminology? A carburetor'd 350 would fit that definition, although you wouldn't have to fabricate parts to do it. How about an LS1? All of the parts to do it can be purchased, so does being able to buy the stuff instead of fabricating it yourself disqualify it as a "real" swap?

Regardless of your definition, there are some "real swaps" that simply don't make much sense. Different, unique - sure. Practical - rarely.

1gary

57-you know I respect the hell out of you.But if you merely unbolt one engine and bolt in another one...........that isn't a swap. A BBC in one of these cars is a engine that was never intended to be in the car is a swap.

88FormulaKiller

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hey gary, im pretty ****en offended to see you call these "just bolt-ins" just becuase your actually saying we remove and replace with a different engine, do you have any idea of how much work and hours of scouring for parts and time some of us have/had into our swaps such as these LS swaps (as an example)??? If it was merely bolting and unbolting one engine out and one back in, im pretty sure mine wouldnt have taken as long as it did. for ****s sake. You know what an unbolt and simply bolt in engine is????

A REPAIR

little bit more than just nuts, bolts and some oil. f'n a man

88FormulaKiller

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OP, good luck with the SWAP.

1gary

The LSx group is not included as a bolt in bud........I'm just saying.

Z28ricer

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You may be "woo'ed " by the need to make some simple mounts, and add a few other aspects to doing an engine swap....

However, I'm sorry, been there, done that, still doing it, there is nothing special about an engine "swap" that requires more work, more time, and more effort to get less results


Results are things that matter:

Power
Weight
External engine size (this effects things ending up being a PITA to work on)
MPG


Stuff that doesnt matter and doesnt = results:

"Unique"
"Different"
"Special"
"Hasnt been done"

1gary

Guys that call a swap taking out a 305 and replacing it with a 350??. Naw. Not going to ruin this guys thread. Last thoughts from me on this.

89rs454

Going from a 305 to a 350 is a true engine swap, Going from a 305 to a old school bigblock is no more impressive, more weight, poor gas mileage unless you thorw a 650dp on her" and unless the ole Hemi has a custom rad the goddamn thing will overheat at a every stoplight on a summer day, driveability not worth it imo.

However i certainly want to see it done along with everyone else. It's just rare you see anything in a Chevy, besides a Chevy to be quite frank. There is a reason for that.

five7kid

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I'm not here to tell people what they can or can't swap in their own cars. I will be open about what you're in for with what you're considering, however.

Really different/off-brand swaps like this tend to have one thing in common - you never see pics or vids of the finished product.