Pontiac Firebird Swap Question
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From: Not in Kansas anymore
Car: 82 Z28
Engine: 383 SP EFI/ 4150 TB
Transmission: T400
Axle/Gears: QP 9" 3.73
Re: Pontiac Firebird Swap Question
Mods to what ?
This one will bolt straight in place of your 305
http://www.hotrod.com/techarticles/e...e/viewall.html
This one will bolt straight in place of your 305
http://www.hotrod.com/techarticles/e...e/viewall.html
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From: Bremen KY
Car: 1985 firebird
Engine: 360"sbc NA pump gas
Transmission: Th350 manual valve body
Axle/Gears: Moser 12 bolt 4.11:1
Re: Pontiac Firebird Swap Question
Any sbc with more cubic inches than 305 with more compression, better heads and intake.
Better yet do a LS with a turbo.
Better yet do a LS with a turbo.
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From: Not in Kansas anymore
Car: 82 Z28
Engine: 383 SP EFI/ 4150 TB
Transmission: T400
Axle/Gears: QP 9" 3.73
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From: Littleton, CO USA
Car: 82 Berlinetta/57 Bel Air
Engine: L92/LQ4 (both w/4" stroke)
Transmission: 4L80E/4L80E
Axle/Gears: 12B-3.73/9"-3.89
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The real answer is "None". Some modification will be required to support an engine with more power.
Now, like the others asked, what is your real question? And, which 305 do you have?
Now, like the others asked, what is your real question? And, which 305 do you have?
Re: Pontiac Firebird Swap Question
355 or 383 stroker would bolt to stock transmission, but I am not sure,
I was wanting the most horsepower without getting in deep with lots of required modifications
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From: Middle of MI
Car: 1989 Trans Am GTA
Engine: Stock LS1
Transmission: T56
Axle/Gears: 3.70 9 bolt
Re: Pontiac Firebird Swap Question
A 383 may bolt up to your stock Trans, but the Trans won't last long. I'd say much more than about 300hp and you'll be downing money into a transmission. If you want to stay sbc, you can buy miss that will transfer over later, such as headers, upgraded transmission etc. then when you have the money, you can swap in some awesome built motor. Or just save up for an Ls swap down the road
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Re: Pontiac Firebird Swap Question
A 383 may bolt up to your stock Trans, but the Trans won't last long. I'd say much more than about 300hp and you'll be downing money into a transmission. If you want to stay sbc, you can buy miss that will transfer over later, such as headers, upgraded transmission etc. then when you have the money, you can swap in some awesome built motor. Or just save up for an Ls swap down the road
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From: Littleton, CO USA
Car: 82 Berlinetta/57 Bel Air
Engine: L92/LQ4 (both w/4" stroke)
Transmission: 4L80E/4L80E
Axle/Gears: 12B-3.73/9"-3.89
92's only had EFI. There were 3 different 305's offered: the base 170 horse TBI, 205 horse TPI with small exhaust and single cat, and the 230 horse TPI with dual cats and larger exhaust. Either of the first two would require a complete exhaust upgrade to support more power. The 3rd would still benefit from exhaust upgrades.
Not that it makes a lot of difference, but at the very least, TBI is not capable of much more power than the factory had without extensive (and expensive) mods.
Okay, understand I'm not picking on you, but that question is asked a lot. And, there is no good answer.
For starters, we have no idea what "lots of required modifications" means to you. As already stated, transmission and exhaust upgrades should be considered a given.
From there, are you talking about expense, effort, number of parts that have to be changed, suspension/chassis mods? For one person, the expense isn't the issue, but the amount of effort. To another, if you can't just unbolt the current engine and bolt in another, that would qualify as "lots of required modifications". Converting from EFI to carb could be considered a lot of modification (it doesn't happen to be legal, but a lot of 3rd gen owners do it).
For sure if you have the base TBI engine, you are in for a lot of required modifications if you want to bolt in a 383. For that matter, the stock TPI would not handle a 383. Regardless of your current engine, computer modification will be required (and that includes modifications if you eliminate the computer).
And, we also need to have a better understanding what you want to do with the car. The recommendations for a daily driver will be completely different from those for a dedicated, trailered race car.
Not that it makes a lot of difference, but at the very least, TBI is not capable of much more power than the factory had without extensive (and expensive) mods.
For starters, we have no idea what "lots of required modifications" means to you. As already stated, transmission and exhaust upgrades should be considered a given.
From there, are you talking about expense, effort, number of parts that have to be changed, suspension/chassis mods? For one person, the expense isn't the issue, but the amount of effort. To another, if you can't just unbolt the current engine and bolt in another, that would qualify as "lots of required modifications". Converting from EFI to carb could be considered a lot of modification (it doesn't happen to be legal, but a lot of 3rd gen owners do it).
For sure if you have the base TBI engine, you are in for a lot of required modifications if you want to bolt in a 383. For that matter, the stock TPI would not handle a 383. Regardless of your current engine, computer modification will be required (and that includes modifications if you eliminate the computer).
And, we also need to have a better understanding what you want to do with the car. The recommendations for a daily driver will be completely different from those for a dedicated, trailered race car.
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From: Ft Collins
Car: 85 camaro
Engine: 5.7
Transmission: th400
Axle/Gears: 4.10
Re: Pontiac Firebird Swap Question
Get a 400. Look on eBay or craigslist. Something that's already got a decent cam, heads, then just supply some headers and put it in
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92's only had EFI. There were 3 different 305's offered: the base 170 horse TBI, 205 horse TPI with small exhaust and single cat, and the 230 horse TPI with dual cats and larger exhaust. Either of the first two would require a complete exhaust upgrade to support more power. The 3rd would still benefit from exhaust upgrades.
Not that it makes a lot of difference, but at the very least, TBI is not capable of much more power than the factory had without extensive (and expensive) mods.
Okay, understand I'm not picking on you, but that question is asked a lot. And, there is no good answer.
For starters, we have no idea what "lots of required modifications" means to you. As already stated, transmission and exhaust upgrades should be considered a given.
From there, are you talking about expense, effort, number of parts that have to be changed, suspension/chassis mods? For one person, the expense isn't the issue, but the amount of effort. To another, if you can't just unbolt the current engine and bolt in another, that would qualify as "lots of required modifications". Converting from EFI to carb could be considered a lot of modification (it doesn't happen to be legal, but a lot of 3rd gen owners do it).
For sure if you have the base TBI engine, you are in for a lot of required modifications if you want to bolt in a 383. For that matter, the stock TPI would not handle a 383. Regardless of your current engine, computer modification will be required (and that includes modifications if you eliminate the computer).
And, we also need to have a better understanding what you want to do with the car. The recommendations for a daily driver will be completely different from those for a dedicated, trailered race car.
Not that it makes a lot of difference, but at the very least, TBI is not capable of much more power than the factory had without extensive (and expensive) mods.
Okay, understand I'm not picking on you, but that question is asked a lot. And, there is no good answer.
For starters, we have no idea what "lots of required modifications" means to you. As already stated, transmission and exhaust upgrades should be considered a given.
From there, are you talking about expense, effort, number of parts that have to be changed, suspension/chassis mods? For one person, the expense isn't the issue, but the amount of effort. To another, if you can't just unbolt the current engine and bolt in another, that would qualify as "lots of required modifications". Converting from EFI to carb could be considered a lot of modification (it doesn't happen to be legal, but a lot of 3rd gen owners do it).
For sure if you have the base TBI engine, you are in for a lot of required modifications if you want to bolt in a 383. For that matter, the stock TPI would not handle a 383. Regardless of your current engine, computer modification will be required (and that includes modifications if you eliminate the computer).
And, we also need to have a better understanding what you want to do with the car. The recommendations for a daily driver will be completely different from those for a dedicated, trailered race car.
it will take lots of mods, so I will give further consideration to my project
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