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Old Feb 5, 2014 | 06:59 PM
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Putting two piles of parts together

So first off, I am new to 3rd gen Camaros but I have spent the last two years racing a 2nd gen on dirt, and that is about as familiar as I am with F bodies.

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I have been fixing & hopping up Volvo's the past 10 years though, have had too many to count but this is my 83' 244 Turbo race car.

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I was going to race that car this season in SCCA's ITE class, but I decided I would find something more simple and cheaper to operate that I can get seat time in.

So a month ago I found an excellent deal on a 91' Z28 set up for NASA's Camaro Mustang Challenge series. It had everything I needed, minus an engine. The P/O ripped out most of the wiring since he was planning on going to a 4bbl spec carb for the series [Holley 4776]. I picked it up with the trailer for $3300.

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I started saving up money to build a fresh engine with the 4bbl carb and lots of other good parts, but I got the itch to just get the darn car drivable so I can get my competition license.

One day I came across an ad on craigslist for what was listed as an 89' Corvette engine w/TPI setup for what seemed to be a screaming deal. Guy bought it from his friend who had it in his rock crawler [he showed me the video of it running before they pulled it] to use in his sandrail but it was too big for the frame. For $700 got the engine, ecu, harness, sensors, mallory 6ezl ignition, 255 lph fuel pump and headers [not for camaro - sold them].

Started swapping the engine in last week - switched to solid engine mounts and also took the time to change the oil pan [using a Canton road race pan] and most of the bottom end seals/gaskets. Also got a new clutch and flywheel in too.

But here is where I am at now - I took the wiring harness that came with the engine I bought and tore it apart to make everything clean and simple. Everything was labeled and I noticed there is a plug that goes to a torque converter and also that the VSS is a one wire sensor. The harness I got came with the sensor it attaches to that I assume goes to the transmission. But I am running a T5 manual trans and from what I can tell the VSS on that transmission has two wires.

From what I have been reading the VSS is very important for getting the right AFR's - how do I go about making it work right? Repin the wiring to the ECU to suit the two wire sensor? Get ECU reprogrammed? The ECU # is 01227165.

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Also, what would be the proper way to go about deleting the EGR? I don't think the guy before me was running it [the headers have no provision for it], but it looks like the EGR temp sensor was plugged in at some point
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Old Feb 6, 2014 | 05:11 AM
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Re: Putting two piles of parts together

Originally Posted by darkhorse38
I noticed there is a plug that goes to a torque converter
Not required on a manual

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what would be the proper way to go about deleting the EGR?
Ultimately get it deleted in the tune , you will get a SES light with the EGR temp sensor gone and the tune has different settings for when EGR is in operation;
probably not a concern if you are racing at WOT as EGR is only engaged under cruise conditions

Physically just block the EGR entry port at rear of intake
http://www.ebay.com/itm/TPI-LT1-LT4-Camaro-Corvette-EGR-Pipe-Blockoff-Plate-/370605442356?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item5649ce4534&vxp=mtr
or remove the EGR valve and use a block off plate there

http://www.ebay.com/itm/CHEVY-TPI-MPFI-EGR-BLOCK-OFF-PLATE-CAMARO-Z28-CNC-/251238195491?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3a7ef6a123&vxp=mtr
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Old Feb 6, 2014 | 05:24 AM
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Re: Putting two piles of parts together

Originally Posted by darkhorse38
that the VSS is a one wire sensor.
The harness I got came with the sensor it attaches to that I assume goes to the transmission. But I am running a T5 manual trans and from what I can tell the VSS on that transmission has two wires.
how do I go about making it work right? ECU # is 01227165.
On a 86 - 89 F-Body '165 ECM ,the VSS wires go to the buffer box which drives the speedo and supplies the VSS input on the single wire to the ECM (terminal A10 )
On the Vette w/ '165 ECM , the VSS signal comes from the dash cluster

90 -92 cars with the '730 ECM had the 2 VSS wires direct to the ECM with a output then to the dash for the speedo

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/post...777-post7.html

Do a search , there are any buffer box threads
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Old Feb 6, 2014 | 10:18 AM
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Re: Putting two piles of parts together

Originally Posted by vetteoz
On a 86 - 89 F-Body '165 ECM ,the VSS wires go to the buffer box which drives the speedo and supplies the VSS input on the single wire to the ECM (terminal A10 )
On the Vette w/ '165 ECM , the VSS signal comes from the dash cluster

90 -92 cars with the '730 ECM had the 2 VSS wires direct to the ECM with a output then to the dash for the speedo

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/post...777-post7.html

Do a search , there are any buffer box threads
Thank you for the clarification! I was not sure if the auto's and manual's had two different wiring harnesses altogether.

Are the 165 ECM's different between the Corvette & F-Body's? Although I was told my stuff is from a Corvette how can I make sure of that? Also if it is, do I have the option of wiring in a buffer box [two wires from the VSS, 1 wire to the ECM, 1 power and 1 ground?] as opposed to running it from the stock cluster, which I don't have anymore [I eliminated the stock cluster and plan on running a set of Auto Meter gauges from my Volvo that I switched over to a Racepak dash]

Thanks again!
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