Engine Swap Everything about swapping an engine into your Third Gen.....be it V6, V8, LTX/LSX, crate engine, etc. Pictures, questions, answers, and work logs.

Thanks thirdgen!

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Nov 20, 2016 | 03:32 PM
  #1  
Josh F's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Oct 2016
Posts: 17
Likes: 0
From: Michigan
Car: 85 firebird 350 .30 over 650 Holly.
Engine: 355.rollers.650 Holley. Thumper.cam
Transmission: V6 14 spine t5 .wouldn't recommend
Axle/Gears: 3:43 ls gotta be changed
Thanks thirdgen!

Just got my 85 on the road today.dropped a 30 over 350 in to the originally v6 car.my first build ever .i am mechanically inclined but never done anything like this with no help other than yall.and a buddy helped rip the old engine out.ive spent hours researching this site and it paid off.got a little more to do under the hood but runs drives great.thanks for all the help thirdgen
Reply
Old Nov 20, 2016 | 03:35 PM
  #2  
Josh F's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Oct 2016
Posts: 17
Likes: 0
From: Michigan
Car: 85 firebird 350 .30 over 650 Holly.
Engine: 355.rollers.650 Holley. Thumper.cam
Transmission: V6 14 spine t5 .wouldn't recommend
Axle/Gears: 3:43 ls gotta be changed
Re: Thanks thirdgen!



Pulling the v6
Reply
Old Nov 20, 2016 | 03:40 PM
  #3  
Josh F's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Oct 2016
Posts: 17
Likes: 0
From: Michigan
Car: 85 firebird 350 .30 over 650 Holly.
Engine: 355.rollers.650 Holley. Thumper.cam
Transmission: V6 14 spine t5 .wouldn't recommend
Axle/Gears: 3:43 ls gotta be changed
Re: Thanks thirdgen!



After i got my 355 put back together
Reply
Old Nov 20, 2016 | 03:44 PM
  #4  
Josh F's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Oct 2016
Posts: 17
Likes: 0
From: Michigan
Car: 85 firebird 350 .30 over 650 Holly.
Engine: 355.rollers.650 Holley. Thumper.cam
Transmission: V6 14 spine t5 .wouldn't recommend
Axle/Gears: 3:43 ls gotta be changed
Re: Thanks thirdgen!



Engine in
Reply
Old Nov 20, 2016 | 03:47 PM
  #5  
Josh F's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Oct 2016
Posts: 17
Likes: 0
From: Michigan
Car: 85 firebird 350 .30 over 650 Holly.
Engine: 355.rollers.650 Holley. Thumper.cam
Transmission: V6 14 spine t5 .wouldn't recommend
Axle/Gears: 3:43 ls gotta be changed
Re: Thanks thirdgen!

Reply
Old Nov 20, 2016 | 03:50 PM
  #6  
Josh F's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Oct 2016
Posts: 17
Likes: 0
From: Michigan
Car: 85 firebird 350 .30 over 650 Holly.
Engine: 355.rollers.650 Holley. Thumper.cam
Transmission: V6 14 spine t5 .wouldn't recommend
Axle/Gears: 3:43 ls gotta be changed
Re: Thanks thirdgen!



Today after my first drive..little snow on the ground
Reply
Old Nov 20, 2016 | 07:43 PM
  #7  
M G Brewer's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 344
Likes: 7
From: Danville, KY
Car: 1988 IROC-Z
Engine: 350 TPI
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 3.73
Re: Thanks thirdgen!

Looking good!
Reply
Old Nov 20, 2016 | 08:20 PM
  #8  
instro84's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 149
Likes: 1
From: so cal
Car: 89 tta
Engine: turbo v6
Transmission: 200r4
Re: Thanks thirdgen!

good job, i'd replace those rubber fuels lines if it were mine thou.
Reply
Old Nov 21, 2016 | 07:31 AM
  #9  
dmccain's Avatar
Supreme Member
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Mar 2014
Posts: 4,553
Likes: 806
From: South Ms
Car: 89 Firebird
Engine: 355 TBI
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 10 Bolt.Posi-3.73s
Re: Thanks thirdgen!

Looking good man!
Reply
Old Nov 21, 2016 | 07:37 AM
  #10  
armybyrd's Avatar
Senior Member
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 554
Likes: 6
From: Martinsburg,WV
Car: '02 T/A
Engine: LS1
Transmission: 4l60e
Axle/Gears: 3.23
Re: Thanks thirdgen!

Nice job-hows your T5 holding up?
Reply
Old Nov 21, 2016 | 06:25 PM
  #11  
Josh F's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Oct 2016
Posts: 17
Likes: 0
From: Michigan
Car: 85 firebird 350 .30 over 650 Holly.
Engine: 355.rollers.650 Holley. Thumper.cam
Transmission: V6 14 spine t5 .wouldn't recommend
Axle/Gears: 3:43 ls gotta be changed
Re: Thanks thirdgen!

T5s holding up pretty well..gears till 3rd seem really short.clutch dost slip but I grinded rather than cut the input shaft unroll it fit nice an tight.got a lot of clean in up to do under the hood but I'm just stoked to have it on the road again
Reply
Old Nov 21, 2016 | 06:32 PM
  #12  
Josh F's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Oct 2016
Posts: 17
Likes: 0
From: Michigan
Car: 85 firebird 350 .30 over 650 Holly.
Engine: 355.rollers.650 Holley. Thumper.cam
Transmission: V6 14 spine t5 .wouldn't recommend
Axle/Gears: 3:43 ls gotta be changed
Re: Thanks thirdgen!

Ment to say clutch dosnt slip..but I ain't gonna dump it by no means you can till it's weak.havent had it dynoed but my set up is running around 360 75 .statistically. once I get outta second seems like I can get on it good ..advice would be great
Reply
Old Nov 23, 2016 | 10:31 AM
  #13  
cosmick's Avatar
Supreme Member
 
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 1,353
Likes: 2
From: North Salt Lake
Car: '86 Camaro, '94 Camaro, 3 others
Engine: LG4 ->L29, L32->LR4, L36, LG4, L31
Transmission: 700R-4, T5WC, 4L80E, SM465, 4L60E
Axle/Gears: 3.42, 3.23, WTB/WTT 2.93
Re: Thanks thirdgen!

Third gear is one of the T5 weak links. Be gentle with third.
Reply
Old Nov 23, 2016 | 10:32 AM
  #14  
cosmick's Avatar
Supreme Member
 
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 1,353
Likes: 2
From: North Salt Lake
Car: '86 Camaro, '94 Camaro, 3 others
Engine: LG4 ->L29, L32->LR4, L36, LG4, L31
Transmission: 700R-4, T5WC, 4L80E, SM465, 4L60E
Axle/Gears: 3.42, 3.23, WTB/WTT 2.93
Re: Thanks thirdgen!

Originally Posted by Josh F
gears till 3rd seem really short
Too much axle ratio. Try a smaller-number axle ratio. Like if you have a 3.42:1 axle, try a 3.08:1 axle.
Reply
Old Nov 23, 2016 | 12:04 PM
  #15  
Josh F's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Oct 2016
Posts: 17
Likes: 0
From: Michigan
Car: 85 firebird 350 .30 over 650 Holly.
Engine: 355.rollers.650 Holley. Thumper.cam
Transmission: V6 14 spine t5 .wouldn't recommend
Axle/Gears: 3:43 ls gotta be changed
Re: Thanks thirdgen!

What do you think about 3.73s? In the rear?
Reply
Old Nov 23, 2016 | 03:40 PM
  #16  
cosmick's Avatar
Supreme Member
 
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 1,353
Likes: 2
From: North Salt Lake
Car: '86 Camaro, '94 Camaro, 3 others
Engine: LG4 ->L29, L32->LR4, L36, LG4, L31
Transmission: 700R-4, T5WC, 4L80E, SM465, 4L60E
Axle/Gears: 3.42, 3.23, WTB/WTT 2.93
Re: Thanks thirdgen!

If both first AND second seem too much with a 3.42, then you would really hate a 3.73
I know it seems like everyone else chooses a 3.73, but that alone doesn't make it a good choice for you, and probably for a fair number of them, either.
For some of them, it's to get a certain cruise rpm without changing the transmission. For others, it is to get a desired rpm in their 1:1 transmission gear at the end of a 1/4 mile drag strip. And the rest are me-too, monkey see, monkey do. Don't be one of them.

Last edited by cosmick; Nov 23, 2016 at 03:47 PM.
Reply
Old Nov 23, 2016 | 04:09 PM
  #17  
Josh F's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Oct 2016
Posts: 17
Likes: 0
From: Michigan
Car: 85 firebird 350 .30 over 650 Holly.
Engine: 355.rollers.650 Holley. Thumper.cam
Transmission: V6 14 spine t5 .wouldn't recommend
Axle/Gears: 3:43 ls gotta be changed
Re: Thanks thirdgen!

So second isn't quite as bad as first.but not great.3k rpm at 20_25 mph.so what would the 3.08 be like?
Reply
Old Nov 23, 2016 | 04:59 PM
  #18  
W.E.G.'s Avatar
Supreme Member
10 Year Member
 
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 1,356
Likes: 15
From: northern VA
Car: 88 Sport Coupe Camaro
Engine: V6 2.8
Transmission: Borg-Warner T-5
Axle/Gears: RPO/GU6: 3.42
Re: Thanks thirdgen!

Brave man.

Kudos!

I want to do this someday when I grow up.

I need a garage so bad.

...and one of these


Reply
Old Nov 23, 2016 | 05:04 PM
  #19  
W.E.G.'s Avatar
Supreme Member
10 Year Member
 
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 1,356
Likes: 15
From: northern VA
Car: 88 Sport Coupe Camaro
Engine: V6 2.8
Transmission: Borg-Warner T-5
Axle/Gears: RPO/GU6: 3.42
Re: Thanks thirdgen!

...although in my heart of hearts, I more need one of these one time in my life while I'm still on this side of it.


Reply
Old Nov 24, 2016 | 04:18 AM
  #20  
cosmick's Avatar
Supreme Member
 
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 1,353
Likes: 2
From: North Salt Lake
Car: '86 Camaro, '94 Camaro, 3 others
Engine: LG4 ->L29, L32->LR4, L36, LG4, L31
Transmission: 700R-4, T5WC, 4L80E, SM465, 4L60E
Axle/Gears: 3.42, 3.23, WTB/WTT 2.93
Re: Thanks thirdgen!

Here's how to figure it out for yourself. First, you need to know the transmission ratios. For a V8-spec T5, they're 2.95/1.94/1.34/1.00/OD, either 0.73 or 0.63.
Then you need to know the effective diameter of your rear tires, which is 97% of their advertised diameter.
Now the math.
Trans ratio times axle ratio times 336 times mph, divided by effective diameter. That gives RPM.
First calculate what you already have to get a baseline. If it doesn't match what you observed, then either your speedometer is off, or your tach, or the axle ratio isn't what you thought.
But after playing with the math for 20 years, I gave up on most of it and started doing what most guys just do all along. Drive it as it is, if it seems too much then try a taller gear, if it seems too lazy try a shorter gear.
Finding a complete used 3.08 assembly is cheaper and easier than swapping 3.08 gears into an axle already fitted with 3.42s, then if you like how the 3.08s drive, add a limited slip to that. '90-up LO3/T5 came with 3.08:1 and 28-spline shafts. Older axles are only 26-spline. '85-up are 7.625" ring gears, pre-'85 were 7.50".
If you already have a limited slip and a 3.42:1, then you would need a different limited slip for the 3.08s.
If you adapted the v6-spec T5, then forget the axle and get the correct T5.
Reply
Old Nov 30, 2016 | 09:16 AM
  #21  
armybyrd's Avatar
Senior Member
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 554
Likes: 6
From: Martinsburg,WV
Car: '02 T/A
Engine: LS1
Transmission: 4l60e
Axle/Gears: 3.23
Re: Thanks thirdgen!

What did the car dyno out of curiosity?
Reply
Old Nov 30, 2016 | 10:50 AM
  #22  
five7kid's Avatar
Moderator
25 Year Member
iTrader: (14)
 
Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 43,187
Likes: 42
From: Littleton, CO USA
Car: 82 Berlinetta/57 Bel Air
Engine: L92/LQ4 (both w/4" stroke)
Transmission: 4L80E/4L80E
Axle/Gears: 12B-3.73/9"-3.89
Re: Thanks thirdgen!

Originally Posted by Josh F
...with no help other than yall...thanks for all the help thirdgen
Good to hear!

I can honestly say I have learned more from this site than from my previous 30 years of wrenching. And not just about 3rd gens, car tech in general.
Reply
Old Dec 2, 2016 | 07:33 AM
  #23  
Josh F's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Oct 2016
Posts: 17
Likes: 0
From: Michigan
Car: 85 firebird 350 .30 over 650 Holly.
Engine: 355.rollers.650 Holley. Thumper.cam
Transmission: V6 14 spine t5 .wouldn't recommend
Axle/Gears: 3:43 ls gotta be changed
Re: Thanks thirdgen!

I haven't had the car dynoed.im only able to look at it from a statistical standpoint for my set up of the engine right now.so I would feel very safe to say around 350- 60 hp harder to figure out torque just to many variables
Reply




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:42 PM.