Small block 400/Muncie 4 speed swap help
Small block 400/Muncie 4 speed swap help
Soon i'm going to swap my newly built 400 into my 91z and im unsure about using a muncie 4 speed. Im on a very tight budget and cant afford a t56 right now. Muncies are very cheap around me but im concerned about swapping everything over. If anyone has any experience with this please let me know
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Car: '84 Trans Am
Engine: 357 SBC
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 10 Bolt 3.73, Torsen Diff
Re: Small block 400/Muncie 4 speed swap help
I don't have any experience with the Muncie, but I imagine there's a few things that are going to be a problem for you. Crossmember, Torque Arm, and the Drive Shaft.
You're not going to be able to mount your torque arm to the 4 speed. So, you're going to have to fabricate a crossmember with a torque arm mount, and be confident enough with your skills to ensure you get the angles right. Assuming that the 4 speed has a different length than whatever it is you're running right now (I'm assuming a T5) you may need a new driveshaft, too.
This is all speculation on my part. But I imagine we don't hear of too many people doing this swap for a reason.
You're not going to be able to mount your torque arm to the 4 speed. So, you're going to have to fabricate a crossmember with a torque arm mount, and be confident enough with your skills to ensure you get the angles right. Assuming that the 4 speed has a different length than whatever it is you're running right now (I'm assuming a T5) you may need a new driveshaft, too.
This is all speculation on my part. But I imagine we don't hear of too many people doing this swap for a reason.
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From: Littleton, CO USA
Car: 82 Berlinetta/57 Bel Air
Engine: L92/LQ4 (both w/4" stroke)
Transmission: 4L80E/4L80E
Axle/Gears: 12B-3.73/9"-3.89
Re: Small block 400/Muncie 4 speed swap help
You don't need to mount the TA to the transmission crossmember. You can get a unit like the BMR Trak Pak with its own crossmember (subframe connectors required - but who in their right mind doesn't run subframe connectors?).
With a 400 SBC and Muncie, I hope you're planning on a rear end upgrade as well.
With a 400 SBC and Muncie, I hope you're planning on a rear end upgrade as well.
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From: Brainerd, MN
Car: '84 Trans Am
Engine: 357 SBC
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 10 Bolt 3.73, Torsen Diff
Re: Small block 400/Muncie 4 speed swap help
You don't need to mount the TA to the transmission crossmember. You can get a unit like the BMR Trak Pak with its own crossmember (subframe connectors required - but who in their right mind doesn't run subframe connectors?).
With a 400 SBC and Muncie, I hope you're planning on a rear end upgrade as well.
With a 400 SBC and Muncie, I hope you're planning on a rear end upgrade as well.
Re: Small block 400/Muncie 4 speed swap help
Thank for the ideas guy but i thought about it and am going with a V8 t5 because it would be much cheaper and easier. I just hope the T5 doesn't grenade in the first few weeks!
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From: Littleton, CO USA
Car: 82 Berlinetta/57 Bel Air
Engine: L92/LQ4 (both w/4" stroke)
Transmission: 4L80E/4L80E
Axle/Gears: 12B-3.73/9"-3.89
Re: Small block 400/Muncie 4 speed swap help
Just baby it. No clutch dumps, no speed shifting.




