izcain

dual 3 inch mandrel bent pipes with exaust cutouts and X-Pipe. Race bullets out back.
Car has an awsome tone now with the x-pipe. It really gave it a one of a kind sound. Really smooth yet still has a bit of thump. also gained some ft lbs and hp as well.
I have perfect clearance over speed bumps and everything too so I think this is one of the better exausts I have installed (having went thru 4 systems)

mw66nova

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did you take the upper track bar above the panhard rod off to get that to fit above the axle?

CaptPicardsZ28

What full length headers you using and do you have anymore pics of the exhaust setup? It looks sweet...

Apeiron

From the looks of how far down they hang, I'd say they have to be Hookers.

izcain

Yes they are hookers and the exaust hangs about 1 inch or so away from the floor so it has adequet movement.
Heres another pic

RS Chris

Sweet setup.

DanTheMan_smlk

thats really nice.....doesnt looks so impossible

unknown_host

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Can you get close up pics where it goes under the crossmember?

Thanks!

izcain

another photo from the rear

izcain

here is that photo of the crossmember

unknown_host

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Sorry to keep bugging you, any way we can get a ground clearance shot from the side?

izcain

sure thing man




kinda looks like low clearance but I acually have over 4 inches or more at the lowest point

84RIceEater

i live here in washington also.. where did you get the exhaust done at?

izcain

I built the exaust myself. No shop is ever going to do that kinda modification for our cars beings it is illegal for them to do so

84RIceEater

yeah..... thats why i was kinda wondering, because that looks really nice

izcain

thanks man i am happy with it

mw66nova

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it looks really good, other than the fact that i can see day light between the pipes and the car. i like mine tucked a bit harder, like this:



i have about 5" at the lowest point on mine, and the muffs aren't the lowest point. they are about 6" off the ground.

Apeiron

His Hookers are considerably lower than your Hedmans.

mw66nova

iTrader: (13)

that's right....i forgot about the hookers lower collector. good eye apeiron

GOY

Can we get more pics of your exhaust? I saw some on your car domain page... where did you get those mandrel s bends to clear the crossmember and what are you securing the exhuast with that you can get it to tuck that well?

mw66nova

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mandrel bends i am using are the hedman x-tensions that bolt right onto the collector. i am just using a universal exhaust hanger on the back behind the muffler. i got the hangers from Advance Auto and they are just pieces of rubber (looks like old cut up tire or something) with some holes drilled in it and a piece of metal on the end that you can stuff under a muffler clamp. i just drilled a hole on either side of the car right under/behind the back seats and put a bolt through right there.

here is an old picture of an old exhaust on my first camaro. this shows how i have the hangers.



here is a pic of the new exhaust from the back, and if you look REALLY closely, you'll see the hangers.

spartyon

I wonder what the suspension set up is like. It looks like he has bigger tires and possibly air shocks?. What is the story of the panhard bar? I don't see it in the pick.

*Nevermind, I see it now*

izcain

295/50/15's are the tires and yes I do have air shocks. I also have lakewood adjustable trac bars.



mw66nova, do you have an H or X pipe installed in your exaust. The reason why I let the exaust hang a lil lower was so that I could install the X-pipe which will net you another 25ft lbs +. I also wanted it to be away from the floor a little bit so that it had flex to the exaust which is something you have to have. if you tuck it to close to the floor your a fire just waiting to happen since there are no heat shields present.

mw66nova

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i do have an h-pipe. i, however, do not think that an x-pipe is going to automatically add 25+ ftlbs. especially in your setup having it back as far as you do. you want to have the crossover as close to the front as possible. not really sure why you put cut-outs in the exhaust at all. mine was also SUPER cheap. i put mine together for a bit over $300 and that included the headers.

how do you think that there will be a fire? there are plenty of things between me and the exhaust. it does get a bit hotter, but i have been driving this thing everyday for the past 2 years without ever having issues.

my system doesn't rattle at all, but i also have solid motor mounts, so nothing moves or flexes.

deadbird

If flex is going to move your pipes that much.. something is broken.
The only place heat sheilds are present OEM is above the cat. converter and the muffler, which is an inch or so away for the gas tank. The I-pipe is unshielded.

Warm floorboards only make for uncomfortable cabin temps after extended driving periods on hot days.

The jute padding under the OEM carpet is fairly resistant to spontaneous combustion. The rubber backer the carpet is bonded to... not extremely flammable and the nylon cut pile carpet... doesn't really burn at all. If your floorboard is getting hot enough from your exhaust to catch things on fire.. you've got some kind of problem going on.

Just my opinoin..

That is a well made looking setup though.

izcain

The X-pipe is a dyno proven performer and if you don't think so just check it out in several of the performance mags. they give you 25+ in the usable RPM range. and it doesn't matter where you install the piping it's what it does is why it makes the power. Smoothing the pulses so that when one cylinder pulses the other one hits helping it to push one another creating a scavenging effect. My setup cost me 140 bucks (just bought the materials) and I built it myself hows that for budget .

I like your setup mw66nova but I just think it would be a lil too much drone inside the car since it looks like it is dumped under the car. I like my sound out the rear........ Really it's all in what people prefer. Some people prefer different things then others. I like your setup as well as my own.

mw66nova

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BS. there is no way you built that ENTIRE setup for $140 including headers. those things are like $500 w/ coating!

there is no way that a crossover of any kind will add exactly this amount or more on all motors. some motors will be effected more and others less. there are too many factors to it than that. and it does matter where you put the piping. you want the crossover to be close to the collectors so your exhaust doesn't cool too much before it gets to the x-pipe.

with that said. you have an extremely good hand at fabrication and i commend you on your setup. it looks really good. if i were to change it any, it would be to move it up against the body, and to delete the cutouts and put the x-pipe closer to the collectors.

if you are so certain that it will add that much though, would you be willing to stick in on a dyno with the x-pipe and a set of straight pipes to compare? no doubt in my mind that it does increase power, that's why i have an h-pipe in my setup. however, i don't think that it added THAT much over just straight pipes with no crossover.

oh, and fwiw, performance mags dyno claims have been proven wrong time and time again.

deadbird

It's very easy to twist numbers the way you want them to make things sound like they are doing something more spectacular than they actually are.... magazines are very good at being owned by advertisers...
http://www.mustangexhaust.com/tech/HvsX/HvsX.htm

I must know your connection on pipe as well. I spent nearly $180 on my duals using only 2.5" pipe (collector to rear)... and that price includes making my (original) mufflers for $8/pr. I well know 3" isn't cheaper.

izcain

I will admit that the headers were extra. The exaust from the headers back was 140 bucks though. But can I ask, what does heating have to do with smoothing out the exaust pulses? I put the cutouts in there just to see if I made more with open exaust or less. I would be more then willing strap the car on the dyno with both setups and print out the sheets. Im not lookin for an argument or anything but the X pipe will net you a gain! regardless of how close it is to the collecters. I ran an H pipe in there but with the compression and the power the car was producing it still had to much pop from the cylinders. The X-pipe alleviated this problem.

What size pipe and everything are you running? you are able to get tighter bends with 2 1/2" but with the 3 inch I am running it is harder to get the sharper mandrel bends.


Thats a good article on the H vs X pipe. I have connections for pipes because I work at an exaust shop, so everything is at cost.

mw66nova

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i am running 2.5" pipe.

i am using hedmans "X-tensions" that are just an s-bend with a collector flange on it so i can bolt it up to the collector of the headers. they make them in 2.25, 2.5, and 3" versions.

and because you work at an exhaust shop and get hook ups and discounts, it automatically throws your "budget build" out of the water. average joe can buy everything i bought from jegs or summit and be on the road for under $325 w/ headers. if i were to take my car to you and have you do what you did to your car, it'd cost me $400+, that's with me already having the headers. shoot, retail on the x-pipe is normally in the $90 range and the muffs you used are in the $40 each range and the tips, if stainless are normally gonna run you $50 for the pair. so thats $220+ not to include the 8'+ of 3" tubing you used.

oh, and the hotter the air, the more velocity it will carry. if you smooth out the pulses when there is higher velocity, it will more effective then if you were to smooth out colder, denser, slower air. by smoothing out the hotter air when it moving faster, it slows the exhaust down less later on in the system.

izcain

look man the average joe doesn't usually need a dual setup cause they aren't making more power then the single 3 or 4 inch system couldn't handle..... race bullets are in summit for like 25 bucks a piece or so not 40+. ....... I built the X-pipe myself and any joe could build that as well. everything could be obtained for the average joe and it would cost less then 300 total to get it done if the guy was doing it himself.


Look man I don't wanna go back and forth arguing or anything I like your setup and I like mine. I think your setup would be easier for just the average guy to do in his backyard beings that there is no serious obsticles or anything to overcome.

What engine you running? I used to have a built up 305 and I liked it, it was a reliable setup and never broke and I ran the dogpiss outa it.

mw66nova

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305...runs 13's. outta run 12's by the end of the summer.

izcain

What do you have done to it? I had a 305 with 305 torquer heads ported and polished, a 270H comp cam, roller rockers, street dominator with 750DP holley, and a hypertech coil and accel wires. Hooker shorties and a 3 inch hooker aerochamber exaust. I liked it. ran in the 13's. Loved the revs but hated the weight when there was more then one guy in the car lol

mw66nova

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bone stock 416 heads, holley street dominator intake, holley 600 vacuum secondary (needs a double pumper), 9.5:1 compression, crane blue racer cam: .442"/.465", 214/224, crane energizer aluminum rockers, 2400 stall ati 10" converter, built 700r4, 4.10, 275/60/15 mt et street radials. ran 13.7's @ 100mph w/ a 1.82 60' with some strange bogs coming out of the hole. that's where i think the double pumper will help out in the ease of tuning. again, with hedman longtubes and the above exhaust. i think it runs pretty good, and if i can ever get it figured out, that mph is good for LOW 13's. make a little more power and the car should dip into the 12's. race weight is 3300lbs with driver.

izcain

Thats a sweet setup! i know my 305 loved the revs but hated weight torque was it's downfall. mine had no bog though but I had the 750 dp which everyone thought was to much carb but it was really snappy. I wish I would have ran it with that setup I had just about the same exact setup as you except for the 305 torquer heads I had on it from world sportsan.

katman

izcain
What brand of sub-frame connectors are you using? Like, dislike, problems?

gearrrhead

x versus H is a big argument. I am an x pipe beliver. I have seen alot of dyno data to say there is more output potential from an x pipe. placement of the x is usually at an optimum point for peak power.

that being said if you are only making 250rwhp or something you are not going to see a huge difference.

I think the number he is quoting is high as well for a naturally aspirated car say making 350hp or less but I have seen boosted cars pick up that much. you may even pick up that much on a 500hp motor at the upper band n/a.

I have an 01 mustang as well. there is this place in atlanta that builds very high ouput cars. I have seen dyno after dyno of them picking up tons of power on cars with dr. gas x-pipe. like 20hp 20lbs+ over an offroad h. the crosover on this pipe is 18" from the collector.

izcain

They are CGS chassis sub frame connecters. I like them they really made the car stouter. Cornering and just overall ridgity were greatly improved.

Gearrrhead, From what I have heard we both have the same information. The engine thats in this car (mine) is est. over 550hp without NOS.

gearrrhead

yeah then I would belive you your 25lb number. I never used to think there was that much power in the right exhaust balancing but I have become a beliver.

the more output you engine has the more power you gain from the scavaging effect. Many people are scheptical though. usually there is more power in a correctly tuned exhaust that open exhaust.

bowtienick

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so i guess you are running a fuel cell? that is a thought because i dont really like the tinny sound of a race car with dumps. how do you like the lakewood t-bars?

izcain

The trac bars are sweet! I just need to get them adjusted properly since they are adjustable

oifish

Could you post some sound clips of that, WOT mabye, because that has to sound badass.

87_350

Yup, just what i wanted to ask

Exhaust clip plz!

izcain

as soon as I get my digital setup for the sound I Will try to get a clip on here.

greg18269

hey izcain what kind of wheels and tires are on your car

izcain

The rims are centerline's with a center knockoff.... I forget what number though........ the rears are 295/50/15 but recently I switched over to some 295/65/15 mickey ET street and they look a lot better and take up the entire wheel well. Plus they hook good :-)

FSTFBDY

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Heres another for ya.. NOT MINE.

http://www.cecoatings.com/images/mis...5/DSC01674.JPG
http://www.cecoatings.com/images/mis...5/DSC01672.JPG
http://www.cecoatings.com/images/mis...5/DSC01675.JPG
http://www.cecoatings.com/images/mis...5/DSC01676.JPG

Best I could get with the ground wet and uncut grass

crazy3rdgen

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i'm loven it

stroked1990RS

I don't really like the Exhaust on that white camaro with the red stripes. it looks dumb running under the rear end . just my 2 cents. On my 1990 RS full time drag car . i just have my headers and 3'' dumps ...she's a lil loud ..but what the hell you can't hear the RiceRockets reving there 4 bangers ... when i'm running

izcain

I like dumps but having it all the way out the back is better for me cause I like to be able to hold a conversation with my passengers once in a while since the car see's a lil bit of street use once in awhile. ;-)