this isn't my car but sidepipes on a firebird don't look too terrible in my mind. what do you guys think?

 

Well.. if thats your taste.. I think its hillbilly. The side exaust on roush mustangs look good. But not like that..

 

 

Id be worried about ground clearence.

 

GROUND CLEARANCE????????? The pipes will be on the side of the car. not under??????

 

I think that looks AWESOME. Would not work very well on a car with ground effects however. However, I've always thought thirdgens without the ground effects had a more classic look to them anyway. Classic muscle cars are (generally) by no means low to the ground. I wouldnt take my GFX off to do that, however if I didnt have GFX to begin with I would be all over that. That car has a very mean stance and those sidepipes really set it off.

 

Yuk, just my opinion.

 

maybe if the whole pipe wasn't exposed then yea... but that looks like crap.... plus a third gen with out gfx looks like crap anyway... looks cheap...... and those wheels on that car don't help much.... and for the record..... CRAGERS DON'T MATCH THE CAR!!!!

 

you have to do it right if your gonna do side pipes. and personally i dont think their is enough room to do a good sidepipe style exhaust

now side exit exhaust is similar. but their isnt much room in there to tuck the piping in enough. ford lightning and roush stangs have the side exits, but you only see the tips thru the gfx. our camaros/firebirds need work to get the exhaust up in there. oval piping would help alot too

 

you better watch your mouth son

 

I love your sport coupe, nova!.


Oh, and Prostars = heaven.

 

the grey one is jbenge's ride.

 

I am in the very early stages of fabricating my own 3" exhaust, i have view all of the diagrams i needed to and i even went as far as cutting the hole into my gorund effects, I plan to have them done by july since im going away on vacation. But i have got my piping ready, my MIG fired up and all the tubing bent, so i will keep you updated on it, i hope it looks as nice as that. And once i begin fabbing it i will post pictures in my fabrication post soon to come.

 

I would do that to my car, if I didn't just put new single 3" on it....
With the raked muscle car stance, I think it'd fit with my car....

plus with the rust and black primer and bondo, it'd really make my car look trashy! (i'm living the 3rd gen stereotype for now, and proud of it! paint will come soon enough...)

 

i don't like that front clip..... wheels look nice on the black car.... ans the iroc's on the white car.... tail lights don't attract me too much... grid style all the way...

 

...somewhere in Austria or Germany...

 

like these? (get a good look, this is the closest you'll ever get to the back of either of the 3 cars i posted)

 

oh ok......

 

you do realize that i do have more than one Z28.... when you do 11.6 with a 150 shot and lt headers and 130,000 miles then come talk ****....

 

Video - Chevrolet Camaro runs 11.8 @ 119 w/150 shot and headers, auto

 

when you run 12.5's with a 305 with no shot and can still maintain 22mpg hwy with a holley on top you can talk crap

when you can run 11.2's on motor with full exhaust and remain streetable (like jbenge's car that i posted) you can talk crap


don't talk down to me sir. you made a pretty bold post by saying all thirdgens without gfx look like crap...i posted three that look amazing. all three of those cars are fast too...and DON'T use nitrous...

 

my car is bone stock with headers!!!!! and runs 12.8 off the bottle.... and it is daily driven...almost..... did i ever say they look amazing...no... i still feel the same about no gfx third gen.... looks like crap.... i'm pretty sure your car is far from stock to run those numbers.... just remember LS1 is the motor touched by the hands of god....

 

so what if it's not stock, the whole combo still cost FAR less than your car did. arguing that a car with a larger bore and supperior induction system is better is than mine is pretty obvious...until you and i line them up n/a and i beat you with my 305...i know, it's sad to think about isn't it. if i had half the money in my car that you do in yours...it'd take a BUNCH more than a set of longtubes and nitrous to be anywhere near me sir.
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and my car is my only car so you know it's definitely daily driven...my car is the ideal car for someone who likes to open the hood every few days and work on something.

 

and i do get 25 mpg on hwy....stock stall stock 3:23 gears stock 4l60e...my car can be faster... all i need is a cam.....what did you have to do to that 305again????

 

i like the lsx motors, but it's the superiority complex that people like you have that make me stay away from them...cause i don't want to ever think i'm better than anyone else just because i have enough cash to go out and buy an ls1 and all the stupid overpriced boltons that go with it.

 

Maybe you guys should trade phone #'s so you can continue your pissing match that way.Boring!!

 

don't need to work on mine..... and i paid 6,200 bucks for my car and 400 for the headers and the n2o was free.... can't come close eh..... sure.... make sure ya bring your slicks nancy.... because 12.8 is with h rated tires..... and the 11.8 is with drag radials.....

 

haha, see, now i got your ears perked up a bit since i said it's a 305...lol! i love the double takes!

10.4:1 c/r
113 casting aluminum vette heads with mild bowl work
238*/248* @ .050 .480"/.500" 114 lsa crane solid cam
pro-magnum roller rockers
holley 650 double pumper
holley street dominator intake
hedman longtubes h-pipe and dual 2.5" pipes with flowmaster knockoffs.
10" ATI 4000stall converter, 700r4 with all the goodies (transgo shift kit, etc.)
7.5" 10 bolt with 3.73 gears, eaton posi, 28 spline axles, support cover and solid pinion spacer (all setup by me)
Walter Racecraft subframe connectors
lca relocation brackets and boxed lca's.
this car was setup for more power, and had enough to go 11.8's before the 350's block cracked, but that's another story.
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oh, the 350 went 1.649 to the 60' and the 305 has already gone 1.694...with more in her.

 

third gens w/ gfx are still crap and comparing LS1's to 305's is like comparing a racoon to a cruise ship

 

what's funny is my 305 is still faster, lol!

 

so back to the sidepipes....


i wouldn't do it to my car but thats one of the first thirdgen sidepipe setups that didn't completely sicken me...actually its quite pleasing and if theres anything done to the engine theres definitly respect due.

And gfx compared to no gfx has really seperated this board way to much. Each way done right can look great. Just different styles and some people have no tolerance.
So can we please get over the fact that you have gfx and hate thirdgens with out them? Its your opinion, you posted it with a negative impression on cars without gfx. What were you expecting? A respectful apology by every member without gfx? Get over yourself(ves).

All thirdgens didn't come of the line the same and shouldn't end up the same.

AND WHERE DID COMPARING TIMES AND ENGINES COME FROM A CONVERSATION ABOUT GFX AND SIDEPIPES??? exchange numbers and settle it on the track.

 

lol i have two statements...

one, sidepipes are ugly as hell on any thirdgen...

two mw66nova's 305 is not something to talk light about nor is his car, personally his car is one of if not the best looking sportcoupe around...

 

i still like sidepipes on a thirdgen and im going to have mine come out through a hole in my gfx. I believe it will look good, and im also going with straight pipes so im going to be using mine for performance, not looks.

 

Sidepipes are ok if the rear is raised, you have fat tires and a motor to back it up. Personally, I am a fan of the gfx on third gens that came with them, and not on the ones that came from the factory bare. I have a friend who has a old third-gen six banger with no gfx and he loves it, its all a matter of opinion. To take a third-gen with gfx and rip them off, it looks a little shoddy however, and it looks like something is missing. All of the pieces were meant to fit together, so when one part is removed, something sometimes ugly is revealed that would normally be hidden. Its like having your car flat black, some would say its incomplete, another would say it looks tough. All a matter of preference. A T/A with no gfx does look pretty sweet though, especially the earliest third-gen years because they didnt come with the graphics in the first place...

 

so are you saying my car looks incomplete? it was originally a 1990 RS w/ gfx...

 

another few coats of black primer, and sidepipes would fit right in on my car... Next to the 275/60 rear tires:
my car, back right

Zonda, exhaust will melt gfx that are plastic. I've seen people do it on old mustangs, and things like that, so they put a chrome ring in the bumper or GFX, and exhaust goes through that. You'd want to make sure you don't melt anything. Maybe get the tips ceramic coated.

 

Last time i saw those chrome plates work pretty well, but better safe than sorry. I think i might either try fiberglass ground effects or maybe even some sheet metal if it would make it less prone to heat damage. The ground effects are plastic?! I thought they were the same rubbery compound as the front bumper.

 

That rubber compound is commonly referred to as "plastic". Just a blanket term. I think it's ABS? Either way, it'll melt. Oh, and you can also get soot all over it, if your pipes don't go far enough out. Seen that on a few cars, looks bad.

 

Personally I think it does, the car was designed to fit the gfx on well, so there are ridges and support pieces on the car to help stabilize them and with the pieces removed it shows all of that, and it isn't pretty. For example, on the door near the bottom there is a visible ridge where the gfx should rest against to produce a flush look, but now its there for all the world to see (especially easy to see on your white car). The cars w/o gfx had smooth doors, so they looked complete. I have a 91' RS (same engine as yours, granted not as modified) and I could never imagine removing the gfx because it makes it look plain. Also on the front of the car it makes it look like you have gfx two feet back because you can see where the original gfx were supposed to nestle up against the rest of the body panels.

 

the doors are all identical. the factory sportcoupe had black around the bottom with a 3 line decal all the way around hiding the body line. the car prior to this one was a factory sportcoupe. and the entire front clip on the white car is from my previous ride.

and your engine is far different than mine. my car was originally equiped with a 3.1L v6, the 305 that is in the car now started life as a 1985 lg4...though only the block remains the same. the only thing that yours and mine share is approximate bore size.

 

I was referring to the block (with the work you have done to it its no longer a LG4 either), heaven forbid I thought you might have an original 305 RS. You can't honestly tell me that the line running straight across the bottom of the doors looks good, I was referring to the cars w/o gfx from the factory I have seen that have had far smoother looking doors than yours, whether it was striping or not it is not my problem, its yours. And why you didn't post a reply about how the front looks? By the way, I think the times your getting out of your 305 are pretty sweet, I'm not saying your car sucks its just in my opinion it should still have the gfx, but as always its a matter of opinion.

Why does roachjuice have a pic of a car in his sig that is better than the car he says he has? Thats a 1991 Z28, I saw an exposé on that car on gmhightechperformance.com and it has a 388 in it. If he really had a car like that he would boast it not his 305 TPI.

 

the body work on the rockers is kinda rough, don't worry though, it' at paint as we speak getting that particular problem fixed. but if you look at the picture of jbenge's car above (the grey one with prostars) and you compare it to mine, the lines are identical...just the white makes mine stand out more

oh, the weight loss i saw from taking the gfx off was close to 100lbs...my car only weighs 2950lbs with full interior and sub...planning on getting it down to 2900lbs.

 

I always have liked the look of Camaro with out GFX over the GFX Camaros. They look meaner which is why I am going to get a Sport coupe instead of an Iroc when I find one.

 

I think the gray one looks pretty good, all of it is a matter of opinion, the paint issue is something that needs to be assessed by the owner, some colors look good with certain setups. That weight reduction though is pretty lucrative if someone doesnt care about the gfx.

 

i think once the car is done, you'll like it. it's getting fresh paint and has a new hood and finally matching front wheels.

 

Camaros w/gfx and w/o gfx both have their place, its all a matter of preference. It will probobly look good with fresh paint

 

Again, to each his own, but like someone said before, no gfx and sidepipes do look hickish (imo).

 

i will totally agree with that statement and it's imparative that my no gfx car looks nothing like white trash. unfortunately, since i've put so much time into making it not look like white trash, it hurts my feelings whenever anyone eludes to that...

 

I've always loved side exit exhausts, probably because as a kid it was standard with GT racing. As for this GFX bash-about, I'd take and drive ANY Camaro weather it had 'em or not. Supposedly in the current auto show circuit, side exhaust is 'so last year', but I've never been much of a 'clique' follower. Can we keep this thread on track and the **** war on private messaging 'afore they shut this thread down?

 

Your car looks more like a muscle car than any other third gen I've seen. Some 18x8 in the front and 18 x 10 in the rear with a lip would make it the ultimate muscle car third gen.