Headers are so cheap for these cars... Just buy them lol, you'll spend as much building them if not more, and don't forget the 20-40 hours of fabrication, bloody knuckles, flash burn from welding, etc...

I built a set for my V6 Cavalier, equal length longtubes... spent about $250 or so. I only built them because the only avaliable set was $1200+ from a company with a bad rep up in Canada.

 

skip all those and put a small chambered tube in the I pipe section behind the cat. 16inch body will be very loud but good sounding. best to have full 3inch exhaust mandrel bent to.

headers are very helpful in sound tho

 

Well, I've seen dyno test from motors with open headers and motors with an exhaust system and muffler (in this case flowmaster) and it made MORE power then open headers. You might think backpressure is evil but really its more of a sweet spot. too much and it'll choke the motor... too little and the motor won't breath right.

ever notice how on hard accelaration then let off a glass pack will sound like it stutters.... that means you don't have enough back pressure. Same with an exhaust leak. If you get the right setup you might make more power with a glass pack but not much at all, not enough to notice, and I think a flow master sounds WAY better.




You spent 250 on just the pipes alone? Damn

 

Just thought I would toss this out there..Temporary cheap exhaust for now is edlebrock headers with y pipe
which was on the car when I bought it, rusted and leak a bit at the collectors.
I put a Red hot glass pack from the y pipe to 2 feet of 2 1/4 pipe with tail extension out the pasenger side in front of the rear tire.
cost approx 50 ducans....

Pretty loud if I get on it mellow at 2500 rpms...nice at idle .not a bad setup for some cheap fun.. also took off another 50 pounds down to 2870
Car stops much better with stock rear drums..and handles much better also..with the weight reduction..

 

really? i have heard alot of cars gurgle and stutter/pop on deceleration after wot, and i know they have back pressure. my flowmaster did that before the headers and only alittle bit afterwards. still had stock cat

 

It is not about the backpressure, it is all about the tuned length.

Now before you make a habit about giving wrong information to people read the back pressure thread.

 

back on topic please?

 

I thought you got the info you want? made up your mind, and all that?
It's only after you decide, when you get all the opinions

You got the headers yet?

 

Not to date so far back but my cousin has a 400pony 5.0L and hes running 2.5 full duals. Idk how much bigger you would wanna go for a true dual smallblock.

 

chill bro chill, im shoppin around
Message from Unlimited Performance

I am a little confused and might not want to go with these guys the dont really have there prices straight...
REPLY 1:
Hi there
You wanted a muffler for your car..
There is lots out there to pick from......
The Flowmaster 80 series go for $109.99
Would have to come overnite
Thanks for now

Wait for it.......
REPLY 2:
Hi braden
Yea the 80 series is a good one!
Overnite for $124.99
As far install goes it would be about $75.00
The shop is real busy
Thanks Dwayne

hmmmmm...
REPLY 3:
Hello Braden, The header will cost $225.00, Y-Pipe will cost $165.00, Series 80 Muffler will cost $135.00. Total cost is $525.00 + gst. Delivery time would be about 2 days. If you would like to order feel free to contact myself at 000-000-000 Thank You, John

Now im like wtf pick a price on the damn muffler!

 

Dude your not gonna get the same price from different sources... its just how the economy works... and all you need is some wrenches and a couple exhaust clamps to install it... might want to have em put it in the spreader so it'll slide right on. I picked up a used flowmaster 40 series and some 3" pipe for 50 bucks. Muffler is in good shap and sounds GOOD. I am a welder by trade so I took it to work and welded it up and now I have a full 3 inch system for 50 bucks. You would be suprised how cheap you can get stuff from your local shops. If you find a good honest speed shop or muffler shop usually it'll be cheaper then the net.

 

Not really different sources its all from the same store..... just 3 different replys...

 

and umm, could i hear a sound clip of a 40 series on a stock 305? I havent heard one yet... And whats better sounding the plain 40 series or the Super 40 series? or just the 80 series?

 

a box of U bends, 3 collectors, ball flange gaskets, flanges and other assorted gaskets...

then i had to build heat shields for the VSS and the shift cables.

 

40 series I think does not come in a single in dual out trans-style of mounting. You'd have to use dual exhaust to use that, so i'd say skip it.

Your choices are flowmaster 80 series
dynomax super turbo (probably flows better, but would be quieter)
dynomax ultra flow - this is what i'll be doing I think, these rock
or others available in a transverse mounting style with single in dual out.

 

Is it loud?

 

I imagine it would be, never heard one in person, just saw the specs on it.

Someone here probably has a sound clip, they're pretty popular.

 

I didnt even bother to read the thread... im just curious whats with everyone wanting the "loudest" most obnoxious sound exhaust lately... wouldnt a nice deep sounding rumble be alittle nicer then sounding also like a riced out honda civic

 

have you heard a flowmaster 40 ? If you think that sounds like a ***** you need to take another listen. In fact I don't think I've heard a v8 ever sound like a *****.

Edit;

Hey why can't I say

R I C E R

 

Im not talking about sounding totally like a r-icer, im talking about usualy when you just want the downright most loudest anoyying exhaust just to get attention it usualy sounds raspy and with no deep tone to it whatso ever

 

If you ever do get an exhaust make sure every bolt and hanger near the cat is tight and positioned right other wise you will end up with the mystery rattle I have and other friends have. Oh yeah, and of course since you don't need a cat, put an exhaust cut out there. It will sound really good.

 

oh, well I can relate to that... I have heard some v8's sounding like their throat is a little dry. One thing I noticed though is that has alot to do with how the motor is running. My rig sounds different when its running out of gas. Sounds like you said raspy. But when the tank has fuel in it the flow 40 has the notorius growl and bark of a that makes you proud to be a red booded american. I don't much care for the sound of those mufflers that aren't really a muffler at all.

ducity: I think you should go with a flowmaster over anything else though

 

Ahhhhh, is your quote from Blazin saddles?

 

IF you didnt read it dont reply, your not helping any thanks.
Id love to get you a sound clip of my m8's mustang its the best sounding thing i have ever heard in my life and it is Loud, i wanted to buy his car just because of the sound of it, he didint do the exhaust some guy before him did, its unreal i cant believe it, it has true duals thats really all he knows about it, but it is soo loud and amazing, i always go to the races every friday night and no matter what car is there his is louder, I just want mine like that soo people know when im coming

 

sorry

 

Haha, not you that Denial guy.

 

Ok

 

 

Did you mean me? I'm lost.

 

I imagine he was
So i talked to some guys at work and they said i should to Best Buy Performance because a guy at my work got a pair of headers for 125 when the were 200 at mopac for the identical thing, ever heard of them sonix?

 

Man its expensive to get headers installed...$300 :| im not goin to do them myself cuz i Really dont have a clue and nor does my dad i dont even want to think of me Fu*king up car cuz i dont know anything about it, and i sure aint payin more to install the headers then the headers themselves...So i think im just getting a muffler for now any ways

 

yep, mopac and best buy are basically "the" two high perf shops in calgary, both on/near 16th ave NW.

yea, they'd hit you with ~3hrs labor for that eh? That's why you'd do it yourself. I mean, 12 bolts. Seriously.

A muffler will make you louder, since that's the plan, might as well go for it.

 

word, it doesn't get much simpler than installing headers...use a gasket, some red rtv and bolt em on, would you pay 300 bucks for that? It ain't rocket science. Not even science.

 

And is there a temp thing that goes in them? i dont know just bunch of stuff goes into my headers, when u say bolt em in it just looks a little more confusing, might not be but meh... Lol id like to put them in myself...

 

Oh yeah, and what size of muffler would i need? 3.0 input 2.5 out? cuz im getting it put in on the 5th, along with tint and its goin in tommorow for power door locks

 

that's right with the muffler.

Your manifolds now are complicated, but you leave most of that stuff off when putting in headers. Seriously, just a few bolts. The O2 sensor is ditched if you're going to a non-ccc carb system, the exhaust air divertor is ditched, etc...

 

K i know what 02 sensors is but the rest this is what i mean i really dont have much of a clue.

 

all I can think of for the rest is the air divertor valve, and the air tubes. Neither are necessary.

 

this is a situation when you need to find a friend with a 7/16" box end... give him a case of his favorite beer and order a pizza. Should take a few hrs...

 

haha i wish it was that easy, btw im 15 if anything i know more then all of my friends

 

sucks doesn't it? You can't find any halfway intelligent help to help you out. My brother only swears and breaks stuff, but he's the only one who'll take a few minutes out of his precious day to hold something in place while I bolt it in, etc etc etc.... Nobody else gives a crap about cars. Go figure, being in mechanical engineering too...
ahem /rant

but seriously, headers aren't hard as in "holy cow, now where on earth did *THAT* come from??? where do those bolts go?? Is this the right way up?"
It's more like : "I have to get my hand in THERE?" or " Is that ALL my blood??, now where did that pinky go?"
j/k

 

yeah but me finding some one just as useless as me wouldnt do much you at least know what your doing

 

hey, the world needs astronauts just as much as it needs guys to flip burgers. Everybody in calgary knows that. (for those from elsewhere, calgary is the largest growing city in canada, and most people are here for the oil industry, so they're rich geologists, hence there are too few people to work at mcdonalds, work construction, anything involving customer service, etc. The whole service industry as a whole is flat out embarassing).

Yea, well having four guys trying to figure out how the bracketry goes together for your accessories is just as hard as me trying to lower a 600lb engine and tranny into the bay solo. You know how I got my tranny out? I layed under it and removed the cross member bolts, then let it fall on me so it didn't damage itself when it hit the ground. Yea, take one for the team eh? I was so sore the other night...
Anyway, got it all in and wouldn't you know it, the engine won't crank over. Now that sucks. Anyways, good luck with your car, you'll have to bring it by and take me for a spin sometime.

 

So which part number would I need? Flowmaster, Inc.

43083
or
53083

 

Good god man... ever heard of a tranny jack?

 

yea, aren't they like 6' tall, meant for when a car is on a lift? I've used that kind before...
I couldn't balance it on my floor jack so...
When there's no other options...


actually that evening was more about frustration and working quickly, I wasn't using a lot of brains then....

 

?

 

use a tape measure and measure your current one.
Either one would probably work though, if a shop is putting it in for you.

 

I agree with Orr89rocZ the best sounding, loud muffler you can buy is a classic Chambered muffler. Most of the flowmaster equipped cars I hear sound good at times and airy or cackly at other times. Nothing sounds like a Classic Chambered, once you hear one in person you'll be hooked. Plus you can get a 3in 18in bodied classic chambered for about half the price of a Flowmaster 80. As for "loudest" straight pipes or the flowmaster single chamber race muffler (the little tiny short guys) will be horrifically loud.

 

yeah I've been in a rush to just get it done but that is dangerous. A tranny jack can be rented for 20 bucks with the floor jack and no they are not 6' tall... just a floor jack with a dealy to set the tranny on.