Just got off the phone with a shop about getting headers put on, told me he would not do it for the following reasons.

1. Kansas and Missouri will soon have emissions testing with in a year.

When did this crap happen here. I had someone take the rest of the air tubes off cause I didn't have the rest of the system. Now I won't be able to tag my car cause I don't have this crap. The car is 20+ years old and is a CArbed car. Yea its going to suck done the gas and smoke alittle. Don't they grandfather this crap in.

Then he told me that I need to turn the car in for a credit. If I didn't want a classic car from my childhood I would not have bought it.

After that he told me to thank the gov do to them passing these laws. And said something about the new cars if the check engine light pops on and you do nothing about it they can shut your car done via remote. WOW GOt TO LOVE BIG BROTHER

 

OBD3 is a soon reality, and many cars are already offering it.

When the system detects part of the emissions equipment not working properly, or tampering with the computer, it will notify a local agency, and you will receive a letter through the mail giving you 30 or 60 days to have the problem corrected.

I'm not sure of the details, but have heard about this for the past few years. It's supposed to address people ignoring the check engine light and not having the problem fixed.

Hell, a lot of new cars e-mail you once a month to give you a status report.

 

My question is why there doing this....there arn't that many classic cars out there and for the people that do have them are soon not going to be able to drive them. I was told that here in KS it could be soon like another Cali emissions requirements. That sucks so bad. I wanted to do a father son project and now even if I do that by time he is of age to drive it won't be allowed on the road.

Not only that but soon your going to have to take the car to a dealer to fix it no more parts stores no more DIY projects. I have seen a couple of cars already by gm that the engine compartment is closed off so you cant work on it. This is sad....There goes more of my pay. To bad the american public will soon have to call someone overseas to fix it by remote. Cause you know these companies wont be employeeing americans to do that work
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Just wondering what is the carbon credit for my car......It proberbly not enough for me to get one of there fancy new cars...

 

I haven't heard anything about emissions laws in Kansas. And if it's not a law yet, why should the shop worry about it?

JamesC

 

The guy said that they are waiting for one more vialation to enact this. And that if I wanted to he would put my emissions back to standards at a price. This hole thing sucks. I asked if they would grandfather our cars in and thats when he said no and thats why they give out carbon credits.

 

I did a 'quick' Google and found nothing pertinent. Trying another shop might prove interesting.

JamesC

 

Blame the liberal tree-hugging environmentalists. If they had their way, we'd all be walking to work. Politicians like to make it look like they are doing something about "pollution" and "global warming" so they cook up bullcrap laws like this that affect less than 1% of the smog but annoy the hell out of us hot rodders. And the imports street-racing are giving us a bad name too, so they figure they can solve both problems with a new law.

Oh, by the way, removing your air tubes and other emissions devices on your car is a violation of FEDERAL emissions laws regardless of whether your state does smog checks or not. By removing your emissions devices, you have told the politicians that they have to enact these tougher laws to get you to comply with their "lower emissions" propaganda.

 

Was he wearing a tinfoil hat and did he say anything about the CIA and their sinister black helicopters following around him and the other alien abductees, leaving a trail of mutilated cattle in their wake to distract people from discovering the truth behind the government conspiracy to embroil the country in a war with al-Qaeda in order to weaken it sufficiently to allow the communists led by Adolf Hitler, Elvis Presley and the reanimated corpse of Walt Disney to take over?

 

Put the headers on yourself. If you don't want to work on it yourself, you don't want a classic car from your childhood.

Gotta grow up sometime.

(Spoken by someone who still has the car they drove to their high school graduation over 3 decades ago, plus a daily driver made the year their oldest child was born over 2 decades ago. . .)

 

Allright dude, I have emmisions here and with shorty headers with no smog equipment whatsoever I still pass emissions with just a cat, even my 89 RS has no emissions and no cat...well, I got a "GUY" that handles that, there are allways ways around theese things, there are carb approved headers too I think.

 

That's aways been my problem with the emissions tests.

My smog pump doesn't even have a pulley on it. My cat doesn't have a A.I.R. tube. I still have the stock manifolds, and all the emissions stuff, but nothing is doing anything.

And yet, my tests results were so low this year, the engine might as well not have be even running!

My whole point is...

Why do they care HOW we get good results, as long as we do? I could put on non-smog headers, ditch all the remaining emissions equipment (except the cat) which isn't doing anything anyways, and still get good #s, yet fail visually.

 

Another point to look at is that, as someone earlier stated, "the liberal tree-hugging environmentalists" are to blame. Wouldn't it be nice, just once to say those "tire smokin, muscle car drivin, hotrod building gearheads" blocked the passage of a new/proposed law/act? But we (i myself am to blame for this as well) as a group don't gather organize our groups to fight these things. I know that there are those of us who do vote and write and call and rally for our cause but with all of these restrictive and inhibitive new rules being legislated, apparently it's not enough. Just imagine all the members of this site, all the muscle car forums, the diesel forums, the ***** forums all stood together as a collective voice and screamed "STOP F*CKING WITH MY HOBBY!!!" We all know the visual test is B.S. but aside from complaining about it what have I done ...................NOTHING! What have you/we done? The answer to that is most likely the reason that we are having to put up with these "Big Brother" intrusions.

 

Find a different shop. Future laws shouldnt have any effect on current work. He just doesnt want to do what you want, for whatever reason. And yes chances are nobody will be 'grandfathered' in as there are already federal laws in place but thats your choice to make.

Anyway, as far as emissions laws on the horizon... be prepared. I really doubt Missouri is going to go the way of emissions testing because they already gave the EPA the sign a few years back and I havent heard much since then. But PA and TX both were forced into a corner (there may have been others) and chose to comply with the EPA and pass emissions testing laws. Really its just a matter of time. Kansas may choose to join the crowd and continue their federal road funding by passing laws to test in KC, Wichita, and the like. It will likely follow the I/M240 standard, meaning the test on rollers at speed. I dont know their status though, have to check with the state lawmakers on that one.

I'm not sure I totally agree with the tree hugger comment. Its coming from the EPA via the Clean Air Act of 1990, and before that dates back to Memorandum 1a from 1972-74 depending on what documents you find. So this is OLD stuff. I've heard before and seen it in print recently, the EPA is threatening states to pass emissions testing laws via SIP (State Implementation Plan) or they are going to pull federal highway funding. For many states, this compromises a large percentage of their road funds. I've also heard, but not seen proof, that the EPA has also threatened other federal funding sources... namely the health/welfare/ss funding to the state. This may be true as well, there's plenty of garbage out there to suggest peoples health is affected by air pollution and I'm sure the EPA would have no problem tying that in and pulling funds from various sources. Right now, they are going after big cities like Denver, KC, Houston, St. Louis, etc etc... they want these places to clean up their air. They are requesting that states put plans in place, whether effective or not, to reduce pollution. So some guy throws together a law, it passes with no resistance (dont want federal funds pulled), and you end up with some new law to comply with. They write down all the new laws they've passed and put it in a packet entitled SIP and send it off to the EPA to grease the wheels. As with our Nazifornia state, they've just filed a new SIP with the EPA for 2010 standards and of course they'll need to continually update and add to this to appease the EPA on a continual basis. Its an endless cycle. Once you're in, you're in for life unless you live in FL. I'd also like to add that recently here there was a report of the worst polluted city, its like Arvin CA or something. Its near Bakersfield. I would not be surprised to see stupid laws passed that people in that area need to comply with, nevermind there are like 15,000 people there. Its not them. It so happens that the way the landscape is, and the airflow, that pollution from the Bay Area (San Fran and surrounding area) is pushed to the south through the central valley and it gets stuck at the mountain range there. Some of it cycles back up the edge of the Sierras to the Sacramento area, but most is trapped near Bakersfield. There's also an inversion layer making things worse. This is actually a fairly well known problem but... I can just see the state passing laws for the general Bakersfield area, as if that was the problem. Its just a typical response by an agency that doesnt really understand the problem, or the solution. Thats what you run into with visual testing, compliance means OE to the letter, whether or not your vehicle runs better or worse than OE.

Anyway, just be prepared because when the gavel drops, there's no stopping it. A few angry voters wont get anywhere near the federal dollar train.

 

Maybe this all is one more reason everyone "retires to Florida"

 

I just wish they'd throw out the visual portion.

Sniff my butt...If I pass, I pass. Who cares HOW!