i need to know what i can and cant take out from the AIR system.. still gotta pass emissions, and seeing how there is no visual, only sniffer, i can probly get away with out it.. answer this questino also....WHo says i keep it,, who says get rid of it??

 

its a simple 2, perhaps 3 step process.
1. Grab a firm hold a AIR system and components.
2. With a full force RIIIIP, it should go flying, but if you are a weakling like me, step 3 may apply (my friends call me Slender B**tard)
3. If AIR system doesn't come out on first try, repeat steps 1&2 until the dirty crapper budges.

LOL im not too sure about taking the system out, but my friend(1982chevycamaroz28) does. ill ask him how he ripped his out either tonight or tomorrow. About passing emissions without the system, ive heard that if your motor runs efficiently and isnt burning oil or any of that crap (if your engine works fine with no problems) you should be able to pass emissions.

 

LOL,, yeah i wish it would be that damn easy, BUT its not.. i just want to run headers without the damn things, and WANT to order them by tomorrow. but i need to figure out if i should just save the hassel and keep them, or get rid of the damn things. From my understanding, as long as i get a new cat, ill have no problems passing emissions. If you can get them instructions, that be fuking awsome! I tried tracing all of the lines....man there is ALOT of crap. that would clean up the engine bay GOOD!! Thanks for asking!!

 

its easy take stuff out as you see that you need to and you will need some rather large torx bits to take the actual pump off if i remember correctly

 

where is the pump? what about all the tubes goin to the emissions canister, intake, and where ever else they go? do i plug them or what? from my quick look, there is ALOT of ****!!.. maybe a good 5 pounds of stuff??(always good to get rid of weight!) im just worried im gonna remove something that i "think" is for the AIR,, but isnt.

 

ok....sorry man, but my friend bought his car with the AIR system already off. im sure theres plenty of people who have taken their air systems off their cars on this board though. but if you get a new intake and a non egr carb and headers, doesnt that make the AIR system obsolete?

 

damn...i dont know. thats y i posted this! thaks for the help anyways. SOMEONE PLEASE HELP ME OUT!!!!!

 

ok, i got to look under my hood today and i trcked most of the AIR lines down. It actualy looks like a easy job. The only thing im not sure of is the electrical connection going to one of the vacume pumps..i think thats what it is? do i just disconect it and tuck it under something else to hide it? also,, after disconecting some of the tubes (some go to the intake manifold, some go to T connectors that deal with something else) do i just block them of with some JB Weld?

 

also,, is the AIR pump located on the passengers side below the alternator?

 

my pump is on the passenger side (86 Iroc), lower accessory on that side. Those holes that will be left in the exhaust manifolds when you take out those little metal pipes, you can get some plugs that go in there, and I've heard they can look clean like they were put in there from the factory... problem is, I don't know what they're called or where to get them... ask around. But I guess you won't need that with non-AIR headers. I'm not familiar with the ones in the intake manifold, but I suspect the method would be the same as the exhaust manifolds.

 

non air headers are replacing the manifolds. im gonna leave my engine running tonight and unplug some suff just to see what the effect,,if any is.

 

keep us up to date because I plan on removing mine with the week.

 

im not doing this till spring break when i swap the motors and put some headers on

 

I'm also a fan of the grab a hold and RIP it out method. It's the most cost effective solution .
Really though, just remove the pipes that connect to the air fittings on the exhaust (3, don't forget about the cat). You don't have to plug them up but it's probably a good idea.

 

ok. my dad wants me to keep the AIR pump on the car and run it. im telling him that there is no use for the AIR pump if im getting rid of the AIR setup all togeather. The AIR pump inly supplys air to the exhaust ports, the cat(to help warm it up and clean polutions on the AIR cats), and then to the air cleaner when the cat no longer needs to be heated. someone please tell me if this is right or not. i wanted to get rid of the damn thing, but if it will hinder my emissions, ill leave it. But them damn AIR fittings must go!...i just better pray that i pass emmisoins, otherwise im wasting ALOT of cash!

 

i think you could pass emissions if your engine is freshly rebuilt, not tired ut or anything, and just runs clean. i also heard that the AIR system did provide a little better performance when cruising on the highway (i think). but if youre building an engine for your car, it would be too great a hassle to buy parts that fit your AIR system and whatnot. in my opinion, i think it would be too much work/worrying (not as much work as worrying) to try to fit it on your new engine.

 

it is freshly built..its all in peices at the moment.. would you keep the AIR pump?

 

when i put the new engine in my car in not even gonna think twice about keeping the AIR system. im gonna rip the AIR system off my car and have a little AIR bonfire. :lala:

 

lol. im lost about the AIR PUMP though...does it do ANYTHING else for the emmisions besides supply air for the cat?

 

yea i think it recirculates exhaust gas from an exhaust manifold into the air cleaner body (the metal thing, i have a brainfart right now and cant remember what its called).

 

what is the canister that hangs right down by the pump? mine is black and has a tube going to the switch valve

 

i don't know what it is either, but I removed all that stuff yesterday, wow is my engine compartment cleaner, and I lost 15 lbs

 

sweet. now go get a emissons test and see if you pass! ...i better pass without it

 

Don't confuse the EGR (exhaust gas recirculation) with the AIR system. They're two different systems. The EGR is what Supercharged84Z is talking about.

 

ok

 

I don't have emissons, besides with a new cat you won't need smog (do you have visual too?), I don't even have a cat

 

pull out all of the AIR stuff, I did and you would not believe how much more room you have. 20min spark plug changes are now possible :-)

 

i took those air pumps {christmas tree pipes} off and pluged the holes with brass plugs and also removed the pump just follow the pipes to the manifold and their is a nut that is around the tube holding it into the manifold its like a 10mm wrench i think email me if you have questions

 

yeah i got emissions, but no visual,, i think they only look for a cat, but no under hood crap...anyone have ideas on how to rig the cat so its easy to take off for when i go draggin?

 

When you remove the AIR do you have to remove a pump off of the serpinteen belt? I don't have my car hear so I can't really run out and look at it.

 

i dont have a serpentine belt, iv got the V-belt...im gonna probly leave it on, just not hooked up for now till im not lazy and fell like trying 50 differant belts to find the right size

 

ya you do, their is a tech article on how to run the belt the new way, with the smog pump you just have to take out (and put back in) the two torx bolts that hold the pump there, make sure you remove all the other stuff (like the crap bolted on the back) first, it will back it easier

 

Any of you guys who did this have a Q-jet? I was thinking about doing it, but wondered if it would mess with the computer controlled carb.

 

im doing it with the qjet

 

what I meant to say is yes you can leave the pump on a remove the air, but that is basically pointless unless you just want non-air headers.

 

If you trace everyting, it is basically a totaly independant system other than where it goes into you exhuast. The only problem I have run into (motor is apart right now) is that there is a line that runs from this system into the carb (q-jet) I dont know what I need to do with this port on the carb? I saw that when people have removed all of this with the tpi setups that there is a port that it goes to on the throttle body. They just capped it and it worked fine. Do you guys think I could do the same thing with the port on the carb? Does anyone know what it does?

Ben

 

im pretty sure it recirculates fumes back into the carb to get used again. i think you can just cap it off and be done with it, but dont quote me on it. anyone else that actualy knows the answer?? im just taking a stab at it! i need to know that too by the 24th!

 

help us here, please.

Ben

 

Is there any performance gain from removing the AIR?