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Old Nov 20, 2004 | 04:30 AM
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The drawings are for a GM 10-bolt, right?
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Old Nov 21, 2004 | 03:11 PM
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1 rh 1/2-20 rod end
1 lh 1/2-20 rod end
2 rh 1/2-20 tube end from www.colemanracing.com
2 rh 1/2-20 jam nuts
1 lh 1/2-20 jam nut
2 1/2 shoulder bolts (i'm using a shoulder bolt because it gives more surface to surface contact for the rod ends.)
2 3/8 nylon lock nuts.(for the shoulder bolts.)
2 3/8 washers.(for the shoulder bolts)
for my adjuster i cut a peice of 1" hex stock and drilled a 1/2 hole through it on a machine lathe.the threaded rods aren't all thread there stock hardware that we have in our shop.i drilled a 1/4 hole through the hex and the rod.i then had our welder plug weld the two peices together.i'll need to measure the threaded rods i don't remember the leagths off hand.
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Old Nov 21, 2004 | 03:17 PM
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Originally posted by oil pan 4
The drawings are for a GM 10-bolt, right?
yes most of my measurements were takin from a stock 10 bolt rear end
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Old Nov 23, 2004 | 03:50 AM
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This is a pretty embarassing question I suppose but what exactely does that thing do? Yes I'm a noob and no you may not stone me .
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Old Nov 23, 2004 | 06:02 AM
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the only stupid question is the one that isn't asked:werd:
when done it will replace the OEM torque arm.
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Old Nov 23, 2004 | 06:02 AM
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Just wanted to make sure, becasue you were talking about makeing a TA then all of a sudden you were talking about a 9-bolt.
About how long is it over all?
I'll need to know how long to order tubing.
I bought a TA and am having it shiped over here so I can copy it.
I'm going to make mine from Titanium. I was looking at useing good old 6Al-4V alloy. I was going to use .140'' for the base and some more .78'' OD with .095'' thick wall tube.
It's for the V6. I don't know if I should make another one like this for the Z28.
The torque arm keeps the transmission and the rear the right distance apart (keeps the tail shaft from being shoved in the trans witch could damage it) and keeps the drive shaft and pinion at the right angle to each other.
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Old Nov 23, 2004 | 02:18 PM
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how in the hell??
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Old Nov 23, 2004 | 02:19 PM
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Originally posted by oil pan 4
Just wanted to make sure, becasue you were talking about makeing a TA then all of a sudden you were talking about a 9-bolt.
About how long is it over all?
I'll need to know how long to order tubing.
I bought a TA and am having it shiped over here so I can copy it.
I'm going to make mine from Titanium. I was looking at useing good old 6Al-4V alloy. I was going to use .140'' for the base and some more .78'' OD with .095'' thick wall tube.
It's for the V6. I don't know if I should make another one like this for the Z28.
The torque arm keeps the transmission and the rear the right distance apart (keeps the tail shaft from being shoved in the trans witch could damage it) and keeps the drive shaft and pinion at the right angle to each other.
i will get a measurment tonight of the leagth from the center line of the forward rear end mounting hole to the very front of the TA.
FYI Spohn sells a replacement TA bushing for their TA's part# 399PB
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Old Nov 24, 2004 | 11:30 PM
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Originally posted by 91banditt2
i will get a measurment tonight of the leagth from the center line of the forward rear end mounting hole to the very front of the TA.
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Old Nov 25, 2004 | 01:55 AM
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Stupid question but the example you posted attaches to the trans. tailshaft like stock and your attaching yours to a crossmember insted of the trans, so will yours be shorter or did you already take that into account and just use that pic for refference?

EDIT:

I just measured a stock TA and got the same 51 3/4"
So if it is attached to a crossmember insted of the trans.
It will be shorter.

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Old Nov 25, 2004 | 05:16 AM
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Ouch, 2 pieces of 4 foot long Ti won't be cheap but I can make it cheaper than what an heavy steel edelbrock TA would cost (retail).
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Old Nov 26, 2004 | 06:01 PM
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Cool, now I can build the mount and get the rest of the stock so it'll only take me an evening of car down time . I should link to this thread in my other topic about suspension dimensions.
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Old Nov 30, 2004 | 09:40 PM
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Cool, now I can build the mount and get the rest of the stock so it'll only take me an evening of car down time . I should link to this thread in my other topic about suspension dimensions.
please do.

JPrevost if you haven't already check out www.gcfba.net
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Old Nov 30, 2004 | 10:05 PM
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Originally posted by transambill
Stupid question but the example you posted attaches to the trans. tailshaft like stock and your attaching yours to a crossmember insted of the trans, so will yours be shorter or did you already take that into account and just use that pic for refference?

EDIT:

I just measured a stock TA and got the same 51 3/4"
So if it is attached to a crossmember insted of the trans.
It will be shorter.
here's a good pic of how long the TA needs to be if your running it to the tranny cross member
now i need to get under the car to take a measurment
i've cut a piece of 1 1/4" solid round stock to 2" and drilled and taped a hole for a 1/2 rod end.this peice will be welded to the top bar of the TA.my reasoning for this is i beleave that it would be stronger if the threaded rod (of the rod end)was totaly incased in metal.where as if you use a threaded insert the rod end is only half incased.
my brain hurts
i'm debating on wheither i should use a 1/2 or 5/8 rod end
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Old Dec 1, 2004 | 10:47 AM
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here's what i'm talking about i went with a 5/8-18 rod end.
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Old Dec 9, 2004 | 07:06 AM
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How thick is the metal at the tip of the TA?
I was going to make a fixed top rod end with a 7/16 female and a male link and shims and stuff. No threds exposed.
Then make an ajustable bottem one.
I was going to use a 1/2'' female on bottem with a Left hand thred. The TA end is going to have RH threds 1/2''-20 I was going to make a LH and RH trun link bolt so I can loosen some jam nuts and turn it one way or the other and change the pinion angle.
I'll keep the top some what ajustable, add or remove washers.
I know I can make the base that bolts to the rear out of Titanium no problem. It will be tricky to do with the arm part. I will get some help form the machine shop so I can get it right.
I think I'm going to try and make 2, 1 for me and maybe sell the other one.
How much are those fabed ajustable ones?
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Old Mar 22, 2005 | 05:16 PM
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Originally posted by formula350sd
cause the trans moves under hard acceleration and in turn causes the mount for the torque arm to move
the trans doesn’t really try to move that much. Most of it’s motion is from the TA pushing up and down on it. If you disconnect the TA on a car with a manual tranny you eliminate most of the shifter motion.
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