Roll bar and C4 IRS swap project
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Re: Roll bar and C4 IRS swap project
What do your passenger seats look like?! Do they sit a foot higher?
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Re: Roll bar and C4 IRS swap project
who? me?
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Re: Roll bar and C4 IRS swap project
He didn't modify the pass. floor, there's plenty of room there. The halfshafts run very close to the batwing.
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Re: Roll bar and C4 IRS swap project
no, lol wtf did he bottem out on. . .
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Re: Roll bar and C4 IRS swap project
looks good! keep it up. got a question tho... when i did my ford 8.8 swap the centering of the wheel in the wheel housing is no longer even. both sides are off and different from eachother, AND i can tell your housing isnt exactly centered in the wheel well either, kinda looks like its closer to the back side. how are you gona remedy this(since your bars dont seem adjustable)? Im gona get some adjustable LCAs for mine and even out each side, but this happens with aftermarket rear swaps apparently.
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Re: Roll bar and C4 IRS swap project

first of all I love the stars and bars in the back ground.....but which width and offset ZR1 wheels are those, and how well did they fit in the wheel well? I love the progress, and you have pretty much sealed my cars fate, I am definitely going this route instead of a 9".
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Re: Roll bar and C4 IRS swap project
looks good! keep it up. got a question tho... when i did my ford 8.8 swap the centering of the wheel in the wheel housing is no longer even. both sides are off and different from eachother, AND i can tell your housing isnt exactly centered in the wheel well either, kinda looks like its closer to the back side. how are you gona remedy this(since your bars dont seem adjustable)? Im gona get some adjustable LCAs for mine and even out each side, but this happens with aftermarket rear swaps apparently.
um if your rear end isnt centered in the wheel wells, its probably because you welded your mounts on crooked. His looks pretty centered to me, and if the wheels were slightly back in the wells, what does it really matter?
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Re: Roll bar and C4 IRS swap project
YIKES! 
Is that front notch gonna fit under the stock plastic interior?
Are you going to box (at least C-channel them) in the hanging IRS mounts?

Is that front notch gonna fit under the stock plastic interior?
Are you going to box (at least C-channel them) in the hanging IRS mounts?
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Re: Roll bar and C4 IRS swap project
this is the same rear end my grandpas got in a 38' buick century. its lookin good. and i also agree nice flag. looks like mine in my garage.
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Re: Roll bar and C4 IRS swap project
Damn the..can you say.. hand me another spool of Wire!
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Re: Roll bar and C4 IRS swap project
You've done your homework, and it looks like everything is coming together as planned. I can't wait to see the results.
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Re: Roll bar and C4 IRS swap project
i vote fiberglass interior panels... shape it out of foam and form it to fit however you want
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Re: Roll bar and C4 IRS swap project
with all the work he is doing and the time hes taking to do it It would be a shame to not fix such a slight problem that he will notice when its completed. why not take care of it now when he has the chance.. it could just be the angle of the pic but its pretty close id say. anytime u do a swap with an aftermarket rear or fab something up yourself its always a good idea to have adjustable LCAs etc to adjust for differences etc. I was also just asking if he was gona make the suspension adjustable.
turning out real good, u must be spending many an hrs on it! good work. wat thickness is that steel?
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Re: Roll bar and C4 IRS swap project
Just wanted to say thanks for sharing your build w/pics. This is one of those things that makes this forum awesome.
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Re: Roll bar and C4 IRS swap project
I would love, LOVE to put an IRS setup in my car, but I have nowhere near the amount of knowledge and skill it would take. That looks great!
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Re: Roll bar and C4 IRS swap project
HA!
it is pretty cool seeing this done. I had though about it a while back, but it never went anywhere.
it is pretty cool seeing this done. I had though about it a while back, but it never went anywhere.
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Re: Roll bar and C4 IRS swap project
Yea, sorry bout that....LOL! Hey, not t get off sublect, but i couldnt help but notice the after market tach in the stock dash! Did the back of that tach just slide in the existing factory hole, or did you have to cut the the panel. Anyhow! The project lookes great man! Id never have the guts to do that to my ride. Good luck with the rest. I hope its what youd hoped for.
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you are making lay out prints for all your cut parts..right..
your going to make a Kit for the Guys who want to try what your doing.
cuss you know there will be guys who will ask for them..
you could buy a Junker body $30 bucks do it all over a 2nd time with Video..and make the Kit.. you think it's funny now. but thats what other did back when a Guy wanted to make A arms & K Members. for His camaro.. you have alot of Git up and Go.. make it pay off for you..
who knows what will come of it...
i see 3 or 4 parts you could make out of 1 piece without Cutting..just bending/pressing
(I know you see them to now also)
but this is how money is made...i could never do that to my car.(im a 9" guy).but thats me..
if it works you should think about it.. if you even sold 2 or 3 you could make a mark for your self.
like others have.. it's no Joke...
i took my hobby..and it pays for my House.and bills for the last 4 years..
your going to make a Kit for the Guys who want to try what your doing.
cuss you know there will be guys who will ask for them..
you could buy a Junker body $30 bucks do it all over a 2nd time with Video..and make the Kit.. you think it's funny now. but thats what other did back when a Guy wanted to make A arms & K Members. for His camaro.. you have alot of Git up and Go.. make it pay off for you..
who knows what will come of it...

i see 3 or 4 parts you could make out of 1 piece without Cutting..just bending/pressing
(I know you see them to now also)
but this is how money is made...i could never do that to my car.(im a 9" guy).but thats me..
if it works you should think about it.. if you even sold 2 or 3 you could make a mark for your self.
like others have.. it's no Joke...
i took my hobby..and it pays for my House.and bills for the last 4 years..
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Re: Roll bar and C4 IRS swap project

At this point in my life, I'm lacking the time/guts/***** to do the swap.
Will you be grinding the welds in the wheel well smooth or just call it a day and cover it with some undercoating? I know it's a long way off but I'm just curious.
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Re: Roll bar and C4 IRS swap project
you are making lay out prints for all your cut parts..right..
your going to make a Kit for the Guys who want to try what your doing.
cuss you know there will be guys who will ask for them..
you could buy a Junker body $30 bucks do it all over a 2nd time with Video..and make the Kit.. you think it's funny now. but thats what other did back when a Guy wanted to make A arms & K Members. for His camaro.. you have alot of Git up and Go.. make it pay off for you..
who knows what will come of it...
i see 3 or 4 parts you could make out of 1 piece without Cutting..just bending/pressing
(I know you see them to now also)
but this is how money is made...i could never do that to my car.(im a 9" guy).but thats me..
if it works you should think about it.. if you even sold 2 or 3 you could make a mark for your self.
like others have.. it's no Joke...
i took my hobby..and it pays for my House.and bills for the last 4 years..
your going to make a Kit for the Guys who want to try what your doing.
cuss you know there will be guys who will ask for them..
you could buy a Junker body $30 bucks do it all over a 2nd time with Video..and make the Kit.. you think it's funny now. but thats what other did back when a Guy wanted to make A arms & K Members. for His camaro.. you have alot of Git up and Go.. make it pay off for you..
who knows what will come of it...

i see 3 or 4 parts you could make out of 1 piece without Cutting..just bending/pressing
(I know you see them to now also)
but this is how money is made...i could never do that to my car.(im a 9" guy).but thats me..
if it works you should think about it.. if you even sold 2 or 3 you could make a mark for your self.
like others have.. it's no Joke...
i took my hobby..and it pays for my House.and bills for the last 4 years..
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Re: Roll bar and C4 IRS swap project
i think it would be a weld in Kit...
if it was even close to bolt in.. it would need a patnd. or Trans Dapt. would make a copy and be selling it in a week....LOL
remember all the bolt/weld in pro street back half kits in the 80's..
on a side note:
one thing you can use to cover up any thing under a car. thats easy to remove
(if you ever want to).. is Tool Dip it's the same stuff you have on the handles of tools.
you thin it out with Napatha (spelling sorry). and spray it..drys in sec's when sprayed.
and you can peel it off in 1 piece if you ever want to take it off.. comes in
red
black
blue
gray
yellow
green
you can mix them as well..
it's better then the undercoat.. as this tool dip comes off when you want it to..score and peel..
if it was even close to bolt in.. it would need a patnd. or Trans Dapt. would make a copy and be selling it in a week....LOL
remember all the bolt/weld in pro street back half kits in the 80's..

on a side note:
one thing you can use to cover up any thing under a car. thats easy to remove
(if you ever want to).. is Tool Dip it's the same stuff you have on the handles of tools.
you thin it out with Napatha (spelling sorry). and spray it..drys in sec's when sprayed.
and you can peel it off in 1 piece if you ever want to take it off.. comes in
red
black
blue
gray
yellow
green
you can mix them as well..
it's better then the undercoat.. as this tool dip comes off when you want it to..score and peel..
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Re: Roll bar and C4 IRS swap project
i think it would be a weld in Kit...
if it was even close to bolt in.. it would need a patnd. or Trans Dapt. would make a copy and be selling it in a week....LOL
remember all the bolt/weld in pro street back half kits in the 80's..
on a side note:
one thing you can use to cover up any thing under a car. thats easy to remove
(if you ever want to).. is Tool Dip it's the same stuff you have on the handles of tools.
you thin it out with Napatha (spelling sorry). and spray it..drys in sec's when sprayed.
and you can peel it off in 1 piece if you ever want to take it off.. comes in
red
black
blue
gray
yellow
green
you can mix them as well..
it's better then the undercoat.. as this tool dip comes off when you want it to..score and peel..
if it was even close to bolt in.. it would need a patnd. or Trans Dapt. would make a copy and be selling it in a week....LOL
remember all the bolt/weld in pro street back half kits in the 80's..

on a side note:
one thing you can use to cover up any thing under a car. thats easy to remove
(if you ever want to).. is Tool Dip it's the same stuff you have on the handles of tools.
you thin it out with Napatha (spelling sorry). and spray it..drys in sec's when sprayed.
and you can peel it off in 1 piece if you ever want to take it off.. comes in
red
black
blue
gray
yellow
green
you can mix them as well..
it's better then the undercoat.. as this tool dip comes off when you want it to..score and peel..
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Stephen... well obviously it was disassembled and the insides where plugged but the rear came out nice... had no sharp edges and had a nice texture to it.
racinggeek... haha well u stuck nails into it lol... wat do u expect. i cant even run(pressing down) a screwdriver over undercoating/paint/spray paint/POR15/powdercoating without it scratching/peeling or watev.
racinggeek... haha well u stuck nails into it lol... wat do u expect. i cant even run(pressing down) a screwdriver over undercoating/paint/spray paint/POR15/powdercoating without it scratching/peeling or watev.
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Re: Roll bar and C4 IRS swap project
So what are you going to do about keeping the batwing from twisting out of the car the first time you hit the throttle?
Unlike all these guys, I had a C4 until a few months ago, and was very active in the C4 community. Without a cbeam, or something to stabalize the batwing it's going to rip right out of the car.. Hell, even with the cbeam they eitehr break the beam, break the end of the trans, or the weak aluminum diff housing splits.
When you step on the throttle, the batwing is going to want to twist and put the pinion straight up. I don't care how strong you make the brackets on the side, you'll just end up breaking the batwing instead. The housing is meant to be held steady by the cbeam.
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Unlike all these guys, I had a C4 until a few months ago, and was very active in the C4 community. Without a cbeam, or something to stabalize the batwing it's going to rip right out of the car.. Hell, even with the cbeam they eitehr break the beam, break the end of the trans, or the weak aluminum diff housing splits.
When you step on the throttle, the batwing is going to want to twist and put the pinion straight up. I don't care how strong you make the brackets on the side, you'll just end up breaking the batwing instead. The housing is meant to be held steady by the cbeam.
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Re: Roll bar and C4 IRS swap project
i thought he was using the tq arm.... i see the mount i think with the 2 long bolts.
"When you step on the throttle, the batwing is going to want to twist and put the pinion straight up." this is what the tq arm solves... not familar with the IRS except on my bros 68 vette and 74 and 78 vettes but i never helped with the rears. wat is the Cbeam?
"When you step on the throttle, the batwing is going to want to twist and put the pinion straight up." this is what the tq arm solves... not familar with the IRS except on my bros 68 vette and 74 and 78 vettes but i never helped with the rears. wat is the Cbeam?
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yea but where would u get a gallon of that lol.... and how well is the adhesion to bare metal etc. it would have to be etched or prepped of some sort. if your gona be undercoated the best would prob be a spray on RHINO liner or lizard skin... they are pretty $$ but worth every penny bc they are impossible to destroy lol. I saw one guy who dipped his entire rear end in urathane and made it about 1/8" thick, he could smack it with a hammer and it would just bounce off lol.
it will stick to the iner fenders just fine.. just clean with paint thiner befor sprying.
its a nice finnish that can take a beatn.. and comes off when you want it to with out beatn you.. Score and peel..do it right it comes off in 1 piece.

you can keep it new looking with the same stuff you use on your tires.. Just spray it
and it will look new..if you use black..
all the rest you can wash like your car..
the Big thing is rocks dont chip it.. after all it's like Rubber..
i use it on cars.
and full auto beltfed Guns.. to keep the guns from getting beat up from the brass.
works Fantastic! have used it on cars.. also works fantastic..
to clean off all the rubber from the drag strip.. just peel it out and respray...
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