Is a third gen car with Chevrolet or Pontiac dealer installed options still considered stock?

Some examples that have come up recently are dealer installed mud flaps, and the 85 Iroc with no stripes, which the owner says was bought that way.

Also my own car has factory cruise control, which was not available with option level #2. So it would have to have been installed by the dealership.

My own personnel opinion is that these cars are not stock, because they weren't delivered from GM with those options.

What are your thoughts?

 

if thats the way it came from the facotry then its considered stock, if its something aftermarket such as c & c t tops then its aftermarket

 

yes, but in the case of dealer installed options, they are GM parts installed by a GM dealership.

 

depending on the year, some items where avaialble individulally.
If it was a dealer installed item though.. would it show up on the rpo list?? be at least be written down somewhere..

 

In my case, I do not have the RPO code for cruise control. Yet it's there and it's factory GM cruise control, not an after market one.

I've always been curious about that, I'm not the original owner, so I guess that somewhere along the line a previous owner took my car to a Chevrolet dealer and told them to put criuse control on it.

My guess is that is was at time of original purchase.

 

My opinion is that if it was a dealer installed item at the time of purchase then it should be considered stock.

I have a 92 rs that had the cruise added on at the dealer before delivery but not at the factory. It was GM and done by the dealer just because it was not on the RPO list its not stock. what is that about?

Maybe I don't know what I am talking about but if you want to get that technical. A convertible that was converted By asc then would not be stock. correct?

My feelings are if it was purchased that way from the dealer as as a new car then it should be considered stock. But I guess that there is alot of gray area here. I am the owner of the black iroc in the post that you refered to. It had the decals/stickers removed or they figured out a way to order it that way. I have the original window sticker and the invoice from the dealer on the car. I does not say anything specific about the decals but it does have some info about other aspects of the car that are interesting.

One thing that it think is worth brigging up is that things are not always done the way they say they should be. Point in case... in the sales brochure for the 85 IROC it states that if you order the 4 wheel power disc brakes that you must order a V8 and a limited slip rear end. I have the LB9 with a 3:42 gear and four wheel discs but it does not have the g80 rpo for the rear end.. So i think that you could get what ever you wanted with in reason if you knew the right people or the right #...

Something as simple as floor mats that maybe were not ordered when the car was at the factory but the dealer added them in to get the sale. You can't really say that they are not stock. Can you? Ok I will get off my soap box thanks for the post

 

Thanks for the reply, your car was one of the reasons I posted the topic. Your car was bought new from a Chevrolet dealer without stripes, even though it was delivered to the dealership with stripes (probably).

So is it stock or not?

You say yes, I say no.

I believe that my car is not stock, because it was not supposed to have cruise on it.

 

I know at some shows they consider anything "factory" or "Stock" that was available on any car of that model for that year, for example, My 87 Formula did not come with an overhead console, but because it was availabe and particulary common on the GTA, then that is nothing against me. OR because my car originally came with the LG4, because I swapped an 87 TPI engine into it, that does not change my class...

John

 

I think John nailed it. Usually the term stock refers to parts that were available for that model in that year. Referring to an 87 Z28 that has an L98 from an 87 IROC-Z would not be considered stock since the Z couldn't get the 350 in 87.

The stripes on your car or lack thereof are not considered a stock item because the stripe delete was not available in 85. If your car was an 88 or 89, possibly a different story.

 

Having sold cars I can help clear this up for you. Certain options are manditory, and must be ordered, if you want other options, but that doesn't mean it gets built that way at the factory. Like you said according to the sales brochure your car was supposed to have limited slip, but it doesn't. Now when that car was originally ordered it is possible that the factory was short on posi rears, so they put in what was available at the time. You can't stop the line over one part, so they substitute. Case in point, when a friend and I pulled the oil pan off his numbers matching 88 GTA L98 engine we found it had 4-bolt main caps. As far as we knew all those cars were supposed to have 2-bolt mains, but there it was. I'd bet you money they ran out of 2-bolt blocks, so they simply used 4-bolts that day on the line instead.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by scottmoyer
[B]I think John nailed it. Usually the term stock refers to parts that were available for that model in that year. Referring to an 87 Z28 that has an L98 from an 87 IROC-Z would not be considered stock since the Z couldn't get the 350 in 87.

so my cruise control would be considered stock.

Also I could put an 87 Gm 350 TPI in my car and still be considered stock for shows? Thats seems like streaching the term stock a bit.

 

labrat

On your RPO label, do you have RPO code WS3, or WS5? If so, the K34 Cruise Control is part of that package.


One can not base everthing off of the Dealer Brochures. Throughout a production year, substitutions, amendments, additions, were made to the original production plans; some due to supplier shortages. An option package at the beginning of the production year could be different toward the end. One of the reasons there is a lot of misinformation, is because it is based on the easily available original material without the knowledge of the existence of the not-so-easily available revised materials, such as Distribution Bulletins. One such case would be 85Rock's car. He mentioned that the dealer brochure says "for the 85 IROC it states that if you order the 4 wheel power disc brakes that you must order a V8 and a limited slip rear end" , yet his does not have G80. During the '85 production year, due to a shortage, WS6 orders were amended to receive WY6 (basically WS6 minus G80) instead. WY6 is another RPO code that does not show up on the RPO decoder on this website or others and few even know about. As far as the no stripes or decals on his car, has it ever been determined if they were to be put on at the factory, or at the dealer.

On the stock issue, I know of one particular instance that I would have to say NO. '82-'84 there was a dealer installed Recaro option available for the Trans Am that included the seats, door handle labels, and stripes ('84). I would not consider the dealer installed Recaro option as being stock compared to the factory Recaro Edition.

 

Another good example was the Factory CD deck.. it was not shown in the brochure for 89, but it was avaialble in later 89.

Does any one know what the RPO code is for the little dome light on the ceiling that has the two map lights in it?

 

C95.

 

Thanks!

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by labrat
[B]Sure, no one at a car show would the wiser if it looks factory. Remove your RPO sheet, sell the car would the new buyer be any wiser, I doubt it, especially if they used all factory parts and it is installed correctly.

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Also I could put an 87 Gm 350 TPI in my car and still be considered stock for shows? Thats seems like streaching the term stock a bit.

Yes, and no, Yes insofar as you do not make them aware of it being a 350, I was not aware that the 87 Z was not available with a 350. At the T/A nats, a base firebird with a 350 TPI would be considered "Stock" even though it was not an option on that model, Just because it was available on ANY firebird.

Different car shows use different rules, but going from a 305 to a 350, if they dont ask dont tell...

John

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by 82RECAROTA
[B]labrat

On your RPO label, do you have RPO code WS3, or WS5? If so, the K34 Cruise Control is part of that package.


No I don't have WS3 or WS5. I know the cruise is an add-on, because, for some reason I don't understand, cruise was only availble with option level #3 for an 87 Iroc-Z. Mine has option level#2.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by labrat
[B]In other words, 1SB.

 

Cool Thread
I am learning alot. So let me see if I got that part correct about the decals. In 85 The dealer could have been the one that put them on the car? hmmm.. does anyone know for sure about this?

The rpo ws6 is not real clear on what that would have been.

Thanks for the info

 

That is one thing I was wondering if it had ever been determined, if the whole decal and stripe package was put on at the factory or at the dealer for these cars. I remember back in '84, I had bought a new company car (not a third gen, but GM made) and when I got to the dealer, they just had to finish putting on the stripes (they were not ordered as a dealer install item). Depending on how you look at it, it would be more practical for the dealer to put them on.

On the WS6 issue, it varied from year to year, make to make, and model to model. I can tell you about the Pontiac's, but sorry I can't say exactly for sure on the Chevy's.

If you have your RPO codes, PM me a list.

 

yup

 

Of course there is a possibility that while the car was going down the line the guy installing the steering column grabbed the wrong one, or they might have been out of the non-cruise column and rather than stopping the line to wait they just stuffed one in, and you got cruise...


John