ajmclean

i read this pargraph about 87 vert and it says

(Reliable sources report that "Classic Rock" is a very rare specimen, representing one of only 120 IROC-Z convertibles manufactured that year with the ultra-desirable, high performance "police package". )

and this is the link

http://www.twentysomething.com/presiden.htm

any body heard about this?

labrat

Sounds like to me. They say it's authentic, but offer no actual proof other than hearsay.

It might be a G92 87 vert which would have had decent performance and there probably were about 120 made, but there was no "Police Package"" for any 87.

If it were true the members of this board would know about it. And Willie would own one!

scottmoyer

No offense, but the most recent Camaro Brand Manager knows nothing of the third gen years, so authentication by him is invalid. Scott Settlemire is a great guy, but his Camaro knowledge is mostly 4th gen and 1st gen.

ajmclean

If it were true the members of this board would know about it. And Willie would own one! [/B][/QUOTE]




very funny

Mark_ZZ3

I don't believe there was any official "police package" in the early years at least not one that was labeled as such. There could have been several marketing packages created by GM for various requirements.

It appears to simply be a well optioned convertable with HD suspension parts. Don't think this was rarer than any other vert.

Mark.

Air_Adam

How can you have a police package in '87 when the police never used the Camaro in '87?

dsherw00d

I have a vert with G92 (perf package axle), G80 (posi limited slip), GU5 (3.23 rear axle), and FE2 (performance suspension). I don't know what other drivetrain options you could get on a vert. I also have PB4 which is wheel lock control, but I don't know what this is. It's a 88 - not an 87 which I think had fewer verts produced. I agree with the others, someone would have seen one, have pics, or there would be a story in Camaro Perfromer or something.

Maybe a aftermaket shop offered a package? Something similiar to the modern day Rousch for Fords?

-Dan

chuck88iroc

When I read the article I questioned two references. The "optional 5 speed transmission" and the "special cam". The 5 speed transmission I would suspect was standard equipment in 1987 just like it was on my 1988 car.

However, researching the "special cam" reference led to an interesting find. The camshaft data found on this site in the Technical Data section does indeed list for 1987 a cam, GM P/N 14093640, used on a Police Package RPO LM1.

Technical Data

Is the camshaft data chart incorrect or could it be this car is the real deal?

Chuck

Mark_ZZ3

I've seen that listing from years ago and I think it has just been copied from web site to web site.

305
(LM1 Police Pack.) 14093640* .383 .404 291 202 112 (108/-116)

.383/.404 lift is ok
291/202 duration? 291 is not something you drive on the street in a stock car with stock exhaust, with stock gears, etc. and miss matching it with 202 duration? Talk about split duration.

Perhaps there was a LM1 police packge. I would not rule it out. Police packages were typically a grouping of stock heavy duty parts or specially produced parts for high volume purchases (IE. chev malibu of the early 80's, caprices of the mid 80's and early 90's, etc.). I can't see the camaro being anything more than stock parts ... not huge numbers sold.

Mark.

dsherw00d

Why a vert though? Not ideal for a high speed police car. Maybe it was a special police marketing car? I've seen many of the police Camaros pacing stock cars (dirt even) and in parades. In New York State I've seen many of the 3rd gen police Camaros. Never a vert through. If a vert does exist, I think it is probably more of a show and tell police car - something to generate interest in donations, programs, holidays, etc. In the mid-late 80s, I think the state police were having a identity crisis and wanted to involve the public more. Same thing the New York State DMV and the IRS are currently going through.

Some day they will turn up and be like Yenko's, DZ302s, and COPOs

-Dan

ajmclean

that 291 sounds like a Typo im guessing it should be 201
to match the rest ,and look at ur keyboard 9 next to 0
(may be should be corrected )

chuck88iroc

Mark is right, that cam shaft data shows up on a number of web sites. I did however find the one below that lists the intake duration as 191. Definative proof that this thing exists - no. But, it can't yet be totally discounted as bogus either.


305 CID TPI Engine & Camshaft

Chuck

labrat

Yes, but the B4C cars didn't have any more power than a 1LE Camaro, and since there were no 87 police Camaro's, and since this is a convertible, I just can't see how it's possible.

Hopefully Willie will respond to this thread, he'll know whether it's real or not.

aaron7

iTrader: (7)

word

Mark_ZZ3

Maybe it is a Camaro "covert-ible"?

:-)

dsherw00d

Thought I would post this link - good reading.

http://www.camarosource.ca/main_new_..._specialty.htm

-Dan

grngryoutmyway

iTrader: (1)

Isn't the whole purpose of the police package to be a Z without the badging? I havent heard of a police package for that year.. but the actual car should prove itself to be false. Labeling it an IROC with a police package is in itself illogical... not to mention the part about it being a convertable..

aaron7

iTrader: (7)

Though I have seen some DARE cars as convertibles... and still are the police package... hmm...

TorqueChap

Hi Guys,
Late to the party but LOVE this thread! The car in question is mine and the OP pulled it off a company website from years ago.

All of the information on the car is presented to the very best of my knowledge (per chats with GM Media Archives) and without any ulterior motives. It was GM that said my car has the "Police Package" due to a special cam (good for a reported 25 extra horses), aux oil cooler, 4-wheel disc brakes, etc., etc. This conversation was back around 2002 so perhaps GM used the phrase "Police Package" with me with a bit of hindsight since the B4C cars came out a few years after my 'vert was manufactured?

What might help solve this mystery... possibly... is that the car was ordered by a GM executive. I have a copy of the window sticker which shows internal delivery to a GM office in Flint, Michigan at the time. This is confirmed by an internal document that GM gave me to include in the car's files. Perhaps the original owner used his influence and knowledge to meld a 20th anniversary car with a few lesser known, more desirable performance options for bragging rights?

I'd be glad to show the car to any reputable members who reside locally for their two cents. I've owned this car for nearly a decade and it still prompts more questions than answers!

Klortho

The big thing is though, the G92 isn't a police package (check the RPO decoder) It doesn't say police package anywhere.

KMK454

Sounds nice, but if you don't have an RPO code for it, it didn't happen. Hell, even B4C isn't a "police package," it's a "Special Service Package."

TorqueChap

Exactly, my contacts WITHIN General Motors that authenticated this car used the term "Police Package" much like the Camaro community uses the same term to describe the B4C. Since this package was nearly identical to the B4C package, if not exactly identical, it's likely why GM Media Archives, a previous Camaro brand manager, and others told me that this car has the "Police Package" once they saw the extensive factory options list on the car. And it is important to reiterate that these nice folks at GM were referencing their internal build documents on the car which are far more detailed than the window sticker copy in my possession.

BUT, as mentioned by another poster earlier in this thread, Chevrolet DID offer a "Police Package" in 1987 called the LM1 Police Package. Here's the link:
https://www.thirdgen.org/techdb

I have no clue as to whether this car has the 1987 LM1 Police Package or not and don't have the time to research it further based on my automotive focus being elsewhere. The next owner will likely dig more deeply into this issue.

KMK454

I'm not saying you're wrong; I'm just saying documentation and/or RPO codes or it didn't happen... and that's what a smart prospective buyer will say as well. Regardless it's a very good looking car and good luck with the sale. I love the black and gold IROCs!

87IROC-DAN61

Hello All!!

I can't resist this........I have a 1LE 1987 Camaro IROC-Z, before it even came to be known as 1LE!!

I have the 25+ HP cam also (1986 being a 190 HP 305, and 1987 being 215 HP)

It doesn't have the 1LE or the G92 RPO but it has all the equipment!!

No A/C, but has power windows, manual door locks, hard top, fast cam (as stated above), no cruise, has the oil cooler, four wheel disc brakes, came with Am/FM radio, BW 9 bolt 3:45 7.75 axle, it's white and is fast!!!

I even have a letter from GM Canada stating that I have a 1987 Camaro IROC-Z with all the items above!!!

It's priceless!!!

One of a kind!!!


Did I mention it actually has "dealer special paint", the dealer "quickly" painted over the factory paint in order to sell it!!


I'm with KMK454, documentation and/or RPO codes or it didn't happen!!!





P.S. TorqueChap!! Fix your ad, your quoting the wrong gear ratio for your Borg Warner rear end!!

Drew

iTrader: (58)

That Autotrader listing is a joke. The "Installed options" list various equipment that didn't exist in 1987 on the Camaro. Same with the description. It's all BS.

The facts... It's a 1987 Iroc convertible. Making it a 20th anniversary edition. It's certainly unusual and desirable, but all that BS about a police package, N10 exhaust, etc is all hogwash. An informed buyer is going to see all that and recognize it as crooked seller BS and probably steer away from this car. If the seller were honest about what it was, and had the common sense to know what it really is instead of perpetuating myths, it'd be more attractive.

okfoz

1) The car has a 3.45 gear NOT a 3.42 gear if it has the 7.75 Borg & Warner Axle.
2) I was going to say that if you lived in the Flint Area I would be willing to look at it, but apparently your in PA... too far for me...
3) 1987 Verts are fairly rare enough, However they only came with a Factory VIN 1G1FP31??H in two flavors. LG4/A4 and LB9/MM5 due to emissions testing, I believe the LB9/MM5's all came with the G92... The car is a legit Convertible as per the VIN...
4) I am shocked you do not have more pictures of the car on Autotrader...

John