zedder 1 9 9 0

I was just wondering if anyone could tell me what the total production numbers of 3rd gen camaros were(82-92).For fun what were the total amount of Firebirds/trans ams produced in the same timeframe? There are so many knowledgable people on this web site that I figured someone could come up with these numbers.

Steve

avro206

Camaro production: 1,528,561

1984 was the highest at 261,591. Sad isn't it, that the vastly superior, faster, 4th gen
can't touch the sales of the 3rd gen.

Damn SUV's! Firebirds are probably about
1/2-3/4 of total camaros

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88 IROC the best RS ever made!
well except for the B4C

zedder 1 9 9 0

Wow, thats a hell of alot of cars. Maybe if the General dropped the price of the 4th gens people could afford to buy more of them?Sad to think that these cars may be going away(At least for a while).Any idea how may 4th gen Camaros have been made(as far as the last model year?).Thanx for the info.Hey are 3rd gens easy to find in Alberta?I know they don't use salt on the roads out there. That kills alot of these cars in Ontario.Then again there were more of them sold here than out west I would assume.

avro206

61,362 Camaros were made in 96 and they've only gone downhill There is a website
which has current figures but I can't recall what it is.

IROCs are hard to find in Calgary, but easier
in Red Deer and Edmonton. It's not like the US where you see them all the time.

I've looked at canadatrader online and Ontario must have 10X the number of Camaros,
but you have a bigger population.

I don't think a price reduction would help
very much. GM doesn't market the car at all,
and the SUV craze is all the rage. But I laugh when they have to fill up!

The F-bodies need to reinvent themselves
in order to survive in the is over crowded
market place. I like 4th gen, but the visibility is terrible, and the interior is small. They sure do have the power right
BTW, have any pics of your car you could email me? thx, always nice to meet a fellow
Canadian, eh?
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88 IROC the best RS ever made!
well except for the B4C

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street racer

I don't think that price is the problem. Our third gens were pretty expensive in the late '80s and early '90s. I think my '89 was going for over $20,000 when new. Things were different back then; our cars were the car to have. If you pulled up to your high school in a '89 IROC or GTA...well you know. I agree that GM does'nt market the new cars well. Thing are diffrent now, everyone wants a cookie-cutter SUV.

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1989 Trans Am 305 5-speed 3.73's T-Tops (love 'em)

zedder 1 9 9 0

I don't know what it is about are cars but whenever I see another IROC my heartbeat quickens. I'm in my early 30's and have loved these cars from day 1.The 4th gens just don't do that for me. I know they are a superior vehicle but design wise our cars have them licked.Thats my opinion.

Jason E

I agree with both of you. When was the last time you saw a Camaro TV ad? 1998 was the last time I remember, and that was a VERY short run. And lets face it, the new "burping" T/A ad is totally ASININE.

SUV's have killed Fbody sales, but there's another reason, 1 I was talking about with the sales manager at my dealer (Pontiac/Olds) earlier this evening. When was the last time you saw someone over 50 in a 4th gen? NEVER. I see older folks in '99-'01 Mustangs all the time!! Why? They're less radical. The Fbodies are TOO good at what they do...they're too much like a 2+2, all out sports car.

Thats fine for die-hard fans like us, but it won't get the fringe buyers. People look at a T/A now, and think its too gaudy.

And IMO, it is! I may have to sell the damn things, but I ain't overly fond of them. Like Zedder said, even though the 4th gens are a superior car, 3rd gens have more appeal to many. Why? They don't have the landing-strip dash, the crazy-*** spoilers and scoops (aka T/A and WS6 T/A), and the 3rd gens many people feel were just a classic design. When the 4th gen came out in '93, my dad (who has had a '69, '73, and my '89) scoffed at it. "It looks too Japanese, not muscular." And he's right...

I can't get people to look at the V6 because it sounds like a friggen Toyota now, not like the older tuned exhausts. I can't get people into a Formula or T/A because of the price. They don't make a nice base model V8 anymore....but Ford does. The GT is as much as a Fbody V6...case closed.

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Jason E
'89 Camaro RS 2.8
Hypertech chip/K&N filters/Accel 8.8 wires/RapidFires
Eclipse CD and 100x4 amp/Boston plates and 6x9s
Alpine Alarm w/ Keyless entry
IROC tailights/tinted windows

scottmoyer

Dropped the price? That would be great. I don't really think price is the problem though. I have an 87 IROC that cost over $21k new. I have the window sticker on my website. I also have an 86 Olds 442 that sold new fully loaded for 16K. Big price difference. The 3rd gen was/is the car to have. People paid more than average car prices to get the better car. The Mushtangs in 87 cost 14,500 on a good day and yet the Camaro was it's biggest competitor. People are willing to pay!!

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87 IROC 350 TPI with less than 10k original miles
www.users.uswest.net/~smoyer/iroc.htm

Jason E

I think price is a problem, and people aren't willing to pay 30k for a T/A or SS these days. If they were, I wouldn't have such a problem selling one!!

Consider this: A '98 T/A based at $24,000. It had cloth seats, tape deck, etc. Now you can't find a T/A under $29,000 (before dealer discount) because GM figures everyone wants leather, power seats, and the Monsoon stereo (crap IMO) standard. What happened to choice, or a cheaper T/A??? Why is it every Formula (save 1LE's) MUST have PW and PL? What happened to the stripped down, low-cost theology the Formula followed so well in the late '80s-early'90s??

Also, think about this...V8 base coupes were always the big sellers. Now, they don't have a nice V8 baseline coupe. Sure, people were paying big $$ for IROCs and GTAs in the '80s. But look at the production numbers...GM sold WAY more V8 RSs and Firebirds than they did GTAs and IROCs.

If GM had a nice, base coupe with a V8 for around 20k, that would be a BIG help. But many people aren't willing to ante up the money for a full-blown Z28 or T/A. I agree with you Scott, 3rd gens ARE the cars to have. 4th gens would be too, if they gave the consumer more choice and a bit of a drop in overall price.

Jason E

BTW Scott, speaking of 442s, my boss has an '87 with 13k original miles, 1 owner, and all paperwork. Its fully loaded with a power sunroof. He wants to sell it to me. Any idea what a fair offer would be??

street racer

Zedder1990 I agree with you. I'm in my very late 20's and I think our cars have much more style than the new ones. I think it's because our cars are a mix of old tech and new tech.I think that's why they were big sellers. I agree that the new T/A's are overdone. I'd much rather put thousands into my third gen than buy a new one.

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1989 Trans Am 305 5-speed 3.73's T-Tops (love 'em)