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Trying to determine the correct color for the paper tag attached to the rear coil springs for 1987 this would be spring NNL. I think it was originally White or Beige??
Agreed. It's hard to get the exact color. Bright white is not the correct color, but more of a yellowish white is what mine look like now. Not sure if that's just aged, or if that's the actual color. Kind of like the tag found on the brake fluid reservoir shown above. Or like the master cylinder tag that was pictured in another thread.
Last edited by scottmoyer; 12-13-2016 at 02:04 PM.
How about the "Customer Satisfaction System Certification"? . . . Or the green dot?
Any advice on what to use to "re-apply" the loose corner of my door jamb decal above?
As for the Green Dot.....It was probably a dot assigned to a team at the servicing Dealer. Our Bronco when new was assigned a Blue Dot...for the blue team.
Maybe...IDK
Go on Ebay and search for NOS springs. Even newer GM cars still use yellow on the tags. I've literally got a pile of used springs out back, three or four sets worth. All the tags are consistently yellow.
I have a 20k mile set of springs, shocks and struts from a 92 formula 350 at home. Thinking the tags aren't yellow on those but I'll try to dig them out tonight for more examples for us to learn from.
One thing to keep in mind is that the rear springs (and their tags) are much more exposed than the fronts. By nature of their position, they catch all the water spray from the front tires. It's not too much of a stretch to imagine why they could be more discolored than the fronts that are considerably more shielded.
I'll have to take a closer look at my mountain of springs next time I'm out there, assuming it ever warms up! It's entirely possible that I've always assumed all four corners are the same color, due in part to dirt, undercoating overspray, fading, etc.
One thing to keep in mind is that the rear springs (and their tags) are much more exposed than the fronts. By nature of their position, they catch all the water spray from the front tires. It's not too much of a stretch to imagine why they could be more discolored than the fronts that are considerably more shielded.
I'll have to take a closer look at my mountain of springs next time I'm out there, assuming it ever warms up! It's entirely possible that I've always assumed all four corners are the same color, due in part to dirt, undercoating overspray, fading, etc.
Here are some pics of my passenger side and it definitely looks like a faded yellow.
Last edited by GASPEDDLER; 12-15-2016 at 10:17 PM.
Go on Ebay and search for NOS springs. Even newer GM cars still use yellow on the tags. I've literally got a pile of used springs out back, three or four sets worth. All the tags are consistently yellow.
I took Drew's advice and looked. I think I found our color.
Definite NOS and likely indicative of the color used: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1997-2003-PONTIAC-GRAND-PRIX-REAR-SUSPENSION-COIL-SPRING-GENUINE-GM-NOS-H-2-BF/122170933410?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D38530%26meid%3De21e6b0ecfe8498ba61bd5b25c09d1a7%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D2%26sd%3D121205736151
Yes Steel. The inspection marks, (1987 NOR) Dark green, Coral (pink) and Light green on the U Joints -were very close to what was used on my 1993 (St Therese) and it (93) had a paper date tag on it too.
As for the Green Dot.....It was probably a dot assigned to a team at the servicing Dealer. Our Bronco when new was assigned a Blue Dot...for the blue team.
Maybe...IDK
My Camaro also had this green dot on the back of the rear view mirror and next to the rear key hole . .
Looking for a good door decal measurement for decal placement on 87-90 formula 350. Any Original paint formulas get me a measurement from the bottom of the door to bottom of the decal?
I know! On the solid color cars they just seem to be anywhere on the door. However, I have noticed, on the sliver bottom cars with the stripe, they seem to be more accurately located. That's what I'd like to get a measurement from.
I'm sure everyone has their own way of doing these, but it might help each other out if we share what font and maybe even size matches best. It'd also be nice to know what materials people are using, like paper, inkjet vs laser jet vs hiring a pro printer. I'm hesitant to go too far into posting exact templates to be printed since A) they'll be hijacked and end up on Ebay and B) we'll start seeing them stuck all over the wrong cars.
So far I've taken the best photos I can find, then resize them in Photoshop, approximate the colors, then using a new blank layer, I paint a duplicate over the original to get rid of the artifacts, damage, and make for a sharper image. It just takes awhile to get the lettering sized right, then find the right font, etc.
I had a few ready to print on good paper, I backed them up to another drive, and then in typical fashion that drive failed. LOL Maybe I should have shared my work afterall. LOL
I did a lot of research and people (TTA community) contributed with photos and dimensions needed .... had a guy do them and print (to order) for us ... so we could have these available and people could just go and order what they needed ... we got I would say 90% of everything on a TTA done and some ordered what they needed however at one point GM called the guy and asked for license fees to be paid upfront for future orders so needles to say something done for the hobbyist he could not afford so he stopped doing them ... myself and others spent a lot of time making them available however all that work is gone .... I do have all the information I collected and I even did other decals for my own use and professionally printed and die cut to correct size (so not a regular inkjet printer at home) one of them being the correct battery decal ... then someone bought a couple from me copied and printed them (you can tell as his is much fuzzier being a scan and not crisp design like my original) put them on ebay and sold a lot of them I would say he netted easily $1000 USD on my time and investment.
I'm all for sharing and contributing to the community if its a 2 way street and if people don't take advantage of it .... in the end its a hobby and if everyone do contribute we can get so much more out of it and everyone put their fair share into it.
Here are a few prop valve codes I have to add to your collection.
Lost a lot of my original code decal pix in the great hard drive crash of '15.. but I do need shock/strut an spring decal codes for a 92 formula (think all the formulas are the same)
I also need both 9bolt diff code decals. 8EQ(?) and 9EQ
You (or anyone) happen to have any info about whats on the white decal on the spoke do you? supplier part number decal like on the crosslace wheels maybe?
You (or anyone) happen to have any info about whats on the white decal on the spoke do you? supplier part number decal like on the crosslace wheels maybe?
About the only thing I can think of is it is a part number or some identifier. Might be simply "Front" or "Rear" too bad the image is not clear enough...
What is really interesting is the white covering on the T-top, not all cars have it, but the white car behind the blue car almost looks like the T-top was painted... Matches the white almost exactly.
Here are a few prop valve codes I have to add to your collection.
Lost a lot of my original code decal pix in the great hard drive crash of '15.. but I do need shock/strut an spring decal codes for a 92 formula (think all the formulas are the same)
I also need both 9bolt diff code decals. 8EQ(?) and 9EQ
Any chance you can get a clear scan of that tag? Could use an example to make a repro for my Formula. Still have the LF stamped valve, but the label is long gone.
One of these days I need to sit down and repro all the vacuum line tags, and the tags for the throttle cables, etc. Most of that stuff was removed by me over the years as the paper and glue gave up and they started falling off. No decals look better than shredded decals.
12-13-2016, 01:54 PM
But the color is wrong. 
